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Luke Ming Flanagan - what is he about?

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  • #62
    zonEEE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭zonEEE


    Jesus Christ, people read what he has to say before commenting, hes on for legalization of Weed and decriminalization of the others. Which makes serious sense.

    Ignorant and uneducated opinions and comments are the reason why weed is still illegal.

    If we really want to legalize weed in the country we need to start talking and educating everyone about it.


  • #63
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,409 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Lenin Skynard wrote: »

    And to be honest, an awful lot of people experimented with drugs when they were young. Ecstasy and cocaine in particular. It's not half as rare as most people seem to believe.

    Of course they do, then they grow up and become responsible(ish) adults. Maybe its time Ming took a look in the mirror and realised he isn't some silly teenager or 20 something party animal.

    If you're still taking drugs at his age, you need to take a good long look at yourself.


  • #64
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    Jumboman wrote: »
    This is what I'm talking about

    Is that brain damage?

    Opiods cause no brain damage, now the sh!te mixed with it can cause many different types of damage. If we supplied people with access to good quality drugs such as diamorphine we wouldn't have to worry or waste money on the various bad gear cases we get 5/6 times a year.


  • #65
    bedrock#1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭bedrock#1


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Of course they do, then they grow up and become responsible(ish) adults. Maybe its time Ming took a look in the mirror and realised he isn't some silly teenager or 20 something party animal.

    If you're still taking drugs at his age, you need to take a good long look at yourself.

    Why? Most drinkers do so until they die. Why would taking any other drug be any different?


  • #66
    zonEEE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭zonEEE


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Of course they do, then they grow up and become responsible(ish) adults. Maybe its time Ming took a look in the mirror and realised he isn't some silly teenager or 20 something party animal.

    If you're still taking drugs at his age, you need to take a good long look at yourself.

    ARE YOU SERIOUS? So anyone that enjoys a drink at the weekend or during the week, needs to take a long hard look at themselves????


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  • #67
    CarrickMcJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭CarrickMcJoe


    Personally, I don't care what substance any druggie pumps into their veins, shoves down their throat or snorts up their nose. So long as they can afford it..
    Its when they break into my house or an old persons home and beats them to a pulp for cash to pay their dealer. Then, if caught they are described as been in a drug fueled rage and didn't know what they were doing. Nothing thought of the victim, just some brain dead stooge. Poor me!
    Of course theres the dealers, shooting each other and innocent people if they get in the way, but then anyone who buys from these peddlers of death are just as bad imo.
    Ming is a complete tool.


  • #68
    zonEEE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭zonEEE


    CarrickMcJoe wrote: »
    Personally, I don't care what substance any druggie pumps into their veins, shoves down their throat or snorts up their nose. So long as they can afford it..
    Its when they break into my house or an old persons home and beats them to a pulp for cash to pay their dealer. Then, if caught they are described as been in a drug fueled rage and didn't know what they were doing. Nothing thought of the victim, just some brain dead stooge. Poor me!
    Of course theres the dealers, shooting each other and innocent people if they get in the way, but then anyone who buys from these peddlers of death are just as bad imo.
    Ming is a complete tool.

    Sooo...... lets get rid of the drug dealers and the money owed to them and lets put the money into the state = sense? The prices are so high from the dealers because they control the market.


  • #69
    NIMAN
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    Nail on head CarrickMcJoe.

    and to answer some of the questions that others have asked, comparing drugs to alcohol, well I'm sorry but I do not consider them the same thing.

    When you buy a few beers or tins of Guinness, you are only lining the pockets of Tescos, Dunnes or Diageo.

    When you, and Ming, buy weed and his new favourite drugs, you are lining the pockets of criminal gangs, gangs who would think nothing of gunning me, you or a Garda down.
    When drugs are legalised, controlled properly and the proceeds don't go to gunmen, then I will say "knock yourself out".

    Get real people..


  • #70
    bedrock#1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭bedrock#1


    CarrickMcJoe wrote: »
    Personally, I don't care what substance any druggie pumps into their veins, shoves down their throat or snorts up their nose. So long as they can afford it..
    Its when they break into my house or an old persons home and beats them to a pulp for cash to pay their dealer. Then, if caught they are described as been in a drug fueled rage and didn't know what they were doing. Nothing thought of the victim, just some brain dead stooge. Poor me!
    Of course theres the dealers, shooting each other and innocent people if they get in the way, but then anyone who buys from these peddlers of death are just as bad imo.
    Ming is a complete tool.

    Nicely put. Except the problem is all you are describing is the result of prohibition. Government policy created all the problems you have listed here.


  • #71
    tdv123
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭tdv123


    CarrickMcJoe wrote: »
    Personally, I don't care what substance any druggie pumps into their veins, shoves down their throat or snorts up their nose. So long as they can afford it..
    Its when they break into my house or an old persons home and beats them to a pulp for cash to pay their dealer. Then, if caught they are described as been in a drug fueled rage and didn't know what they were doing. Nothing thought of the victim, just some brain dead stooge. Poor me!
    Of course theres the dealers, shooting each other and innocent people if they get in the way, but then anyone who buys from these peddlers of death are just as bad imo.
    Ming is a complete tool.


    ..........................


    Completely missing the points.


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  • #72
    zonEEE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭zonEEE


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Nail on head CarrickMcJoe.

    and to answer some of the questions that others have asked, comparing drugs to alcohol, well I'm sorry but I do not consider them the same thing.

    When you buy a few beers or tins of Guinness, you are only lining the pockets of Tescos, Dunnes or Diageo.

    When you, and Ming, buy weed and his new favourite drugs, you are lining the pockets of criminal gangs, gangs who would think nothing of gunning me, you or a Garda down.
    When drugs are legalised, controlled properly and the proceeds don't go to gunmen, then I will say "knock yourself out".

    Get real people..

    CAN YOU READ? With legalization it takes the money away from the dealers.

    http://norml-uk.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/F1.large_.jpg


    ^The British Medical Journal on 27th of July 2012

    Alcohol is a lot more dangerous then most other drugs.


  • #73
    bedrock#1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭bedrock#1


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Nail on head CarrickMcJoe.

    and to answer some of the questions that others have asked, comparing drugs to alcohol, well I'm sorry but I do not consider them the same thing.

    When you buy a few beers or tins of Guinness, you are only lining the pockets of Tescos, Dunnes or Diageo.

    When you, and Ming, buy weed and his new favourite drugs, you are lining the pockets of criminal gangs, gangs who would think nothing of gunning me, you or a Garda down.

    Get real people..

    So would you object to them being legalized and the money and power taken away from the criminal gangs?


  • #74
    CarrickMcJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭CarrickMcJoe


    Maybe I am missing the points, but 13 years ago while working in a primary school, we had to call the guards as a known dealer was trying to pass drugs to kids through the railings. A few free samples for tomorrows addicts.
    It wasn''t cans of beer he was passing either.
    Start them young!


  • #75
    NIMAN
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    bedrock#1 wrote: »
    So would you object to them being legalized and the money and power taken away from the criminal gangs?

    No, I wish they would.

    I was just saying that I think Ming, as one of our TDs, is setting a terrible example openly admitting that he uses drugs which, after all, are supplied and controlled by criminal gangs in this country.

    That's all.


  • #76
    Czarcasm
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    bedrock#1 wrote: »
    The fact is about 88% of people who use illegal drugs do so without any problems according to the latest UN World Drugs Report.


    88% is still a long way short of 100%.


  • #77
    zonEEE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭zonEEE


    NIMAN wrote: »
    No, I wish they would.

    I was just saying that I think Ming, as one of our TDs, is setting a terrible example openly admitting that he uses drugs which, after all, are supplied and controlled by criminal gangs in this country.

    That's all.

    But what Ming is doing is trying to take the supply and control away from the gangs and give it to the state. Id put my life on it that at least 10-20 TDs tried coke during the boom times.


  • #78
    bedrock#1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭bedrock#1


    NIMAN wrote: »
    No, I wish they would.

    I was just saying that I think Ming, as one of our TDs, is setting a terrible example openly admitting that he uses drugs which, after all, are supplied and controlled by criminal gangs in this country.

    That's all.

    As opposed to which other members of our illustrious political class?? You're basically saying that you'd rather be lied to at every turn.


  • #79
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    CarrickMcJoe wrote: »
    Maybe I am missing the points, but 13 years ago while working in a primary school, we had to call the guards as a known dealer was trying to pass drugs to kids through the railings. A few free samples for tomorrows addicts.
    It wasn''t cans of beer he was passing either.
    Start them young!
    Really, you seen this? What was he sentenced to?


  • #80
    bedrock#1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭bedrock#1


    Czarcasm wrote: »
    88% is still a long way short of 100%.

    Right you are, that's why they should be legalized and regulated for dose and purity so we can get that as close to 100% as possible.


  • #81
    TheBza
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    MJ23 wrote: »
    A stoner in a smelly jumper who looks like he needs a good shower.

    Whats his appearance got to do about it? I trust him more than the crooks in the suits.


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  • #82
    Sacksian
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    CarrickMcJoe wrote: »
    Maybe I am missing the points, but 13 years ago while working in a primary school, we had to call the guards as a known dealer was trying to pass drugs to kids through the railings. A few free samples for tomorrows addicts.
    It wasn''t cans of beer he was passing either.
    Start them young!

    Any drug dealer I've ever met wasn't at all keen on giving away drugs for free. Even if you ask really nicely. So, I've never understood how this scheme works.

    He gives some heroin, cocaine or weed to a 10 year-old and hope they figure out a dosage and how to administer it correctly?


  • #83
    CarrickMcJoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭CarrickMcJoe


    He wasnt, he was approached by school head and made off before guards arrived.


  • #84
    TheBza
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    Sacksian wrote: »
    Any drug dealer I've ever met wasn't at all keen on giving away drugs for free. Even if you ask really nicely. So, I've never understood how this scheme works.

    He gives some heroin, cocaine or weed to a 10 year-old and hope they figure out a dosage and how to administer it correctly?

    Must be watching too much of The Wire.


  • #85
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,409 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Look, Ming divides peoples opinions.

    Every time there is a debate on here about him you get some who say they don't like him cos he looks like a smelly stoner and who dresses like a tramp.

    Then the other side think he's great because he looks like a smelly stoner and dresses like a tramp.


  • #86
    zonEEE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭zonEEE


    TheBza wrote: »
    Must be watching too much of The Wire.

    Or reading to much of that whorebag in the indo, cant remember her name now


  • #87
    zonEEE
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭zonEEE


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Look, Ming divides peoples opinions.

    Every time there is a debate on here about him you get some who say they don't like him cos he looks like a smelly stoner and who dresses like a tramp.

    Then the other side think he's great because he looks like a smelly stoner and dresses like a tramp.

    No you seem to be the one talking about appearance while the other side like him for his honesty, policies and his common sense.


  • #88
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Look, Ming divides peoples opinions.

    Every time there is a debate on here about him you get some who say they don't like him cos he looks like a smelly stoner and who dresses like a tramp.

    Then the other side think he's great because he looks like a smelly stoner and dresses like a tramp.

    TBH I wouldn't allow that to sway my judgement either way; I would like to think I'm a tad more objective than that.


  • #89
    Chuck Stone
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    There's also the simple morality issue. Peaceful people should be left the fuck alone if they're not harming anyone.

    It's totally immoral that people are arbitrarily deemed criminals because they choose to smoke a bit of weed or drop a few E's and have a bit of a dance.

    All drug possession for personal use should be decriminalised. Weed should be legalised and highly regulated to start with and then if successful it should be extended to other drugs.

    This would also free up huge amounts of police time to fight real crimes that have real victims like rape, home invasions, drink/drug driving, corporate crime/corruption to name a few.

    The war on drugs people has been a costly and comprehensive catastrophe - support for its continuance is thick.


  • #90
    Czarcasm
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    bedrock#1 wrote: »

    Right you are, that's why they should be legalized and regulated for dose and purity so we can get that as close to 100% as possible.


    And that's all fine in theory, but look at how legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco are abused by lets just say for argument sake the same 12%, look at how detrimental that has been on society. While you and a few others might be able to say you could use drugs responsibly, there's still the 12% that won't. "Moderation" is a foreign concept to these people, and while they remain citizens of the state, it is the responsibility of the government to legislate for their welfare.

    If that means a couple of people who claim they can use drugs responsibly whose noses are put out by this decision, I for one am ok with that.


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  • #91
    dark crystal
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    No, I wish they would.

    I was just saying that I think Ming, as one of our TDs, is setting a terrible example openly admitting that he uses drugs which, after all, are supplied and controlled by criminal gangs in this country.

    That's all.

    He said he has used Class A drugs in the past - not now.


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