Robin Van Persie - Is it time to sell?

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

I don't see why Fergie would rest him ahead of two international games to be honest.

He's more likely to assess him when he gets back and rest him then if needed IMO.

He hasn't played a huge amount of football in the last three weeks anyway.

I really think now that United are out of the CL the risk of rotation and rest is alot less, until United have secured the league at least.

And even then he'll be going for the golden boot.

The way I see it fergie cant manage what happens on international duty so rvp will prob play two 90 min games for holland. He will definetely want him to start V sunderland the reading game is the best chance for a breather for rvp or a run out for some of the squad players. I know people are saying fergie will want to ensure he wins the league but surely the will beat reading at home with/without rvp starting. I got it wrong verus norwich as I thought he definetly wouldnt start, I dont think that for the reading game just that I dont think hes nailed on to start. For that reason as I dont have him I think for that week as things stand it probably makes more sense for me to bring in rooney.
I think Im just going to keep predicting rvp wont start every week Ill have to get it right eventually.:)

Santi101

Does anyone think Rooney might be a decent option as an alternative to Van Persie in the run-in?

I think he can match RVP's output til May, and he does have 4 goals in the last 5 league games.

Iused2likebusts

Santi101 wrote: »

Does anyone think Rooney might be a decent option as an alternative to Van Persie in the run-in?

I think he can match RVP's output til May, and he does have 4 goals in the last 5 league games.

I have the money to get rvp back this week and that was the plan all along.Im now considering rooney instead will wait to see what happens team selection wise today

Iused2likebusts

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I have the money to get rvp back this week and that was the plan all along.Im now considering rooney instead will wait to see what happens team selection wise today

rvp on bench for utd today thats made my mind up hes had his rest now. Back in and capt next week now.

Lemlin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

rvp on bench for utd today thats made my mind up hes had his rest now. Back in and capt next week now.

Ya have to love SAF. He's pretty much pissed all over people's expectations on here.

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

Ya have to love SAF. He's pretty much pissed all over people's expectations on here.

With the squad they have rvp was never going to start every game.Id have felt hed have been needed today more than against reading. After 4 weeks without him points wise I did better without him ,also I can buy him back at the 13.7 I got for him when I sold him its worked out for me.
As you mentioned previously he will be going after the golden boot now so Ill be leaving him in till the end of the season.

El Horseboxo

RVP will be looking for the golden boot. Can see him getting enough time to give it a shot.

Lemlin

El Horseboxo wrote: »

RVP will be looking for the golden boot. Can see him getting enough time to give it a shot.

Yep, Suarez scored again today so is three ahead now.

Santi101

For me, it's nothing to do with rest or whether he played today.

Its about form and Van Persie's has deserted him with 1 in 9. He will put a couple of sides to the sword I have no doubt but there have to be alternatives given his price.

Santi101

I think Rooney can match Van Persie for goals in the run-in. Has scored more in recent weeks too.

Might go with Rooney and use the extra money in another area.

Not gonna move out Suarez, Bale, Walcott....or Mata who was sensational today. Can see a return to the goals very soon.

G1032

Stuck to my plan which was to bring back RVP for Sturridge regardless of how Sturridge played today.

So RVP back in and captain for next week.

The Phantom Jipper

How is the race for the Golden Boot a factor? Has van Persie been fluffing chances on purpose recently to let Suarez catch up and make it interesting for himself?

Iused2likebusts

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

How is the race for the Golden Boot a factor? Has van Persie been fluffing chances on purpose recently to let Suarez catch up and make it interesting for himself?

the feeling is that even if utd have the league wrapped up fergie will play rvp to ensure he and not suarez gets the golden boot.

Iused2likebusts

Although Im bringing rvp back in this week, there has been no rush from the masses to bring him back in which is surprising. Stewart Downing currently has more transfers in today than rvp playing reading at home.

OneColdHand

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Although Im bringing rvp back in this week, there has been no rush from the masses to bring him back in which is surprising. Stewart Downing currently has more transfers in today than rvp playing reading at home.

Yeah it's interesting. In fairness, getting of RVP was a big move, so I'd say anyone that got rid of him will want to try it for a week or two without him.

We'll obviously have to wait and see how he does against Reading, but with United out of the CL, and RVP rested against Chelsea, I'm happy I have him for the minute, and I'll certainly be captaining him this week.

Iused2likebusts

OneColdHand wrote: »

Yeah it's interesting. In fairness, getting of RVP was a big move, so I'd say anyone that got rid of him will want to try it for a week or two without him.

We'll obviously have to wait and see how he does against Reading, but with United out of the CL, and RVP rested against Chelsea, I'm happy I have him for the minute, and I'll certainly be captaining him this week.

I did it for four weeks worked out well but with him not starting against chelsea I have to get him back in this week and captain him. Got 13.7 when I sold him and can get him back for the same price.

Iused2likebusts

I think we can safely now say it was time to sell, unfortunately for me I got him back in a few weeks back. Well played to those lads that sold and didnt buy him back. Remy, Lambert, Benteke the dream front 3 who would have guessed it.

roryc

Yeah I got rid for Benteke and Lambert. Never had the balls to captain either of them though.

It was a calculated risk. I won't be breathing a sigh of relief until after GW33

irish son

I think it would be stupid to sell him for this week but if he doesn't do well I think I'll get rid the following week.

A couple of weeks back I had the option like a lot of people of Rvp or Suarez, I made the wrong choice.

YeatsCounty

I think this week will be his last chance for me. I'll keep an eye on Rooney or a cheaper option (Benteke, anyone?) and see how they do. The extra funds would really help to strengthen my woeful defence.

FutureGuy

YeatsCounty wrote: »

I think this week will be his last chance for me. I'll keep an eye on Rooney or a cheaper option (Benteke, anyone?) and see how they do. The extra funds would really help to strengthen my woeful defence.

I'm still unsure whether to bring in RVP or Rooney with the wildcard. Right now, as crazy as it sounds, I have faith in neither.

8-10

FutureGuy wrote: »

I'm still unsure whether to bring in RVP or Rooney with the wildcard. Right now, as crazy as it sounds, I have faith in neither.

RVP better option because of penalty duty and fact of being RVP. He gets more shots and BPs.

km79

Keeping him for gw33 and 34 ....might have a look at aguero then for DGW depending on how city's fixtures line up after Fa cup semi

KevIRL

Never sell, never bench

Rikand

might give him another gameweek I suppose

WoollyRedHat

I had this Ferrari, traded it n for the Lamborghini because the Ferrari was slower than usual, and the Lamborghini seemed that more appealing all of a sudden. At the time, it made sense

But then, the Lamborghini did something unbelieably stupid and decided to crash, rendering it completely undriveable and a complete write-off when we had been doing so well.

So now I'd like the Ferrari backit's been a while and it's begining to remind me why it was so great in the first place, but with the surplus cash I had when I sold it, I spent it elsewhere... So now I can't afford the Ferrari back, I have to get rid of this damn Lamborghini and the only car that seems worth getting now is a BMW , sure it might get me from A to B, and is sleek enough, but it's not half as fast as my Ferrari, that I now have to watch bitterly disappear into the distance until it all just becomes one big, red blur. It's tragic really.

prettyboy81

RVP aka The Postman....he always delivers!

Rikand

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I had this Ferrari, traded it n for the Lamborghini because the Ferrari was slower than usual, and the Lamborghini seemed that more appealing all of a sudden. At the time, it made sense

But then, the Lamborghini did something unbelieably stupid and decided to crash, rendering it completely undriveable and a complete write-off when we had been doing so well.

So now I'd like the Ferrari backit's been a while and it's begining to remind me why it was so great in the first place, but with the surplus cash I had when I sold it, I spent it elsewhere... So now I can't afford the Ferrari back, I have to get rid of this damn Lamborghini and the only car that seems worth getting now is a BMW , sure it might get me from A to B, and is sleek enough, but it's not half as fast as my Ferrari, that I now have to watch bitterly disappear into the distance until it all just becomes one big, red blur. It's tragic really.

analogy of the season.

Hogey007

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I had this Ferrari, traded it n for the Lamborghini because the Ferrari was slower than usual, and the Lamborghini seemed that more appealing all of a sudden. At the time, it made sense

But then, the Lamborghini did something unbelieably stupid and decided to crash, rendering it completely undriveable and a complete write-off when we had been doing so well.

So now I'd like the Ferrari backit's been a while and it's begining to remind me why it was so great in the first place, but with the surplus cash I had when I sold it, I spent it elsewhere... So now I can't afford the Ferrari back, I have to get rid of this damn Lamborghini and the only car that seems worth getting now is a BMW , sure it might get me from A to B, and is sleek enough, but it's not half as fast as my Ferrari, that I now have to watch bitterly disappear into the distance until it all just becomes one big, red blur. It's tragic really.

brilliant!!!

Swiper the fox

This thread was created on 4 February and the original point of it (I assume) was to judge if that was the time to sell him, the fact that he scored a penalty, offside goal in April before his hat trick the other night is only relevant in the context of everything that has happened in the last 11 or 12 weeks(for the purposes of this thread). On reflection and considering his performance the other night can we now finally answer the question- Was it the time to sell? It seems that iusedtolikebusts had it right all along, got rid of him and got him back at the right time. Initial fears of rotation were unfounded but his form went to pot, he's in ff teams to score goals, a few assists did not justify the price.

moreau

Swiper the fox wrote: »

Initial fears of rotation were unfounded but his form went to pot, he's in ff teams to score goals, a few assists did not justify the price.

As a team United's attacking form went to pot. No criticism of RVP allowed after Monday.

Only joking:p, fair point re RVP's FF returns in this time period

keane2097

His average has been 7.25 points over the nine GWs, or 6 per GW if we want to arbitrarily ignore the one just gone for no good reason. His average over the entire season to date has been 7 points per GW.

If the question is "is it a good thing to drop RVP everytime he scores two points and get him back in when he scores 7 or more" then the answer is of course yes, but assuming most of us lack the clairvoyance to detect these micro variations in his form it's pretty obvious that his FPL returns over any decent sample are top class.

Iused2likebusts

Swiper the fox wrote: »

This thread was created on 4 February and the original point of it (I assume) was to judge if that was the time to sell him, the fact that he scored a penalty, offside goal in April before his hat trick the other night is only relevant in the context of everything that has happened in the last 11 or 12 weeks(for the purposes of this thread). On reflection and considering his performance the other night can we now finally answer the question- Was it the time to sell? It seems that iusedtolikebusts had it right all along, got rid of him and got him back at the right time. Initial fears of rotation were unfounded but his form went to pot, he's in ff teams to score goals, a few assists did not justify the price.

My thinking was there was no need to have him when the masses wouldnt captain him( fear of rotation and other players having doubles) but get him back in when he was the obvious captain choice.
It worked well but I did sell him before his 12 pt haul against everton(didnt think he would start) and then got him back in and made him captain against Reading(he got 2 pts).
I feel people that didnt have him against reading took a big risk and got away with it which gave them the encouragement to risk the DGW and home to Villa without him.
As you said previously the praise he gets is a bit much he does what you would expect a 13million striker to do. The fact theres no other expensive strikers doing the business this year and a load of sub 10 million mids performing highly has made the game very easy this year and people have been able to fit all the big hitters into their team. Id imagine the pricing next year will make this impossible.

moreau

Good point Keane, I kept RVP, but peoples thinking at the time was they had a player worth 14 mill who had rotation fears with CL and then also injury concerns (QPR match)

For some people it was unacceptable to have such an expensive player who is not an option for captain.

In this respect getting rid of RVP was justifiable IMO

keane2097

moreau wrote: »

Good point Keane, I kept RVP, but peoples thinking at the time was they had a player worth 14 mill who had rotation fears with CL and then also injury concerns (QPR match)

For some people it was unacceptable to have such an expensive player who is not an option for captain.

In this respect getting rid of RVP was justifiable IMO

Well it was if you believed that he was going to be rotated, but that was hardly clear cut either.

I remember a few weeks back, Ferguson made a statement that they would have to monitor his fitness, which people who were trying to convince themselves to get rid of him took to mean he was going to be in and out of the team, while ignoring another statement the very next day where Ferguson baldly stated that he wasn't going to bench him any time soon.

Swiper the fox

keane2097 wrote: »

His average has been 7.25 points over the nine GWs, or 6 per GW if we want to arbitrarily ignore the one just gone for no good reason. His average over the entire season to date has been 7 points per GW.

If the question is "is it a good thing to drop RVP everytime he scores two points and get him back in when he scores 7 or more" then the answer is of course yes, but assuming most of us lack the clairvoyance to detect these micro variations in his form it's pretty obvious that his FPL returns over any decent sample are top class.

I was only trying to contextualise this debate which I viewed initially as a snapshot in time at the beginning of Feb but is opened up on a weekly basis to prove some point or other. Berbatov for example has identical returns for the 8 week period you mentioned(I never meant for you to ignore this gameweek but since you did we'll go with that ). In that time he has played two games with ten men(good man Sidwell), perhaps Berba was overperforming from a FF view(I don't think so myself) but he's been available at less than half of Van Persies price for most of that time.
Clairvoyance is something none of us possess but to read the guff after Monday night it seemed that a Van Persie hat trick was no surprise to anyone, his recent form would suggest otherwise.
I sold RVP at the time and improved my team(on paper) massively, some of the moves worked, others didn't, the last few gameweeks have been a disaster because the usual suspects haven't performed, if this debate came up again next season in the same circumstances would I sell him again? I think I would, I think and thought that he isn't wasn't worth the money in comparison to some other players, there were a few players who have returned more points per game.

moreau

keane2097 wrote: »

Well it was if you believed that he was going to be rotated, but that was hardly clear cut either.

I remember a few weeks back, Ferguson made a statement that they would have to monitor his fitness, which people who were trying to convince themselves to get rid of him took to mean he was going to be in and out of the team, while ignoring another statement the very next day where Ferguson baldly stated that he wasn't going to bench him any time soon.

True, there was way too much speculation and no actual evidence of rotation.

keane2097

Swiper the fox wrote: »

I was only trying to contextualise this debate which I viewed initially as a snapshot in time at the beginning of Feb but is opened up on a weekly basis to prove some point or other. Berbatov for example has identical returns for the 8 week period you mentioned(I never meant for you to ignore this gameweek but since you did we'll go with that ). In that time he has played two games with ten men(good man Sidwell), perhaps Berba was overperforming from a FF view(I don't think so myself) but he's been available at less than half of Van Persies price for most of that time.
Clairvoyance is something none of us possess but to read the guff after Monday night it seemed that a Van Persie hat trick was no surprise to anyone, his recent form would suggest otherwise.
I sold RVP at the time and improved my team(on paper) massively, some of the moves worked, others didn't, the last few gameweeks have been a disaster because the usual suspects haven't performed, if this debate came up again next season in the same circumstances would I sell him again? I think I would, I think and thought that he isn't wasn't worth the money in comparison to some other players, there were a few players who have returned more points per game.

I think what it comes down to is that you're always going to be able to look back and point at a couple of games over a season where any player had a few games without blowing anyone away and say "should have sold him there", but with RVP even during his "should have sold him" stretch he was still returning very well.

If you sold him at the end of February and brought him back in three or four weeks ago you've done ok, but if you were selling him to never bring him back then you can't look back at a couple of weeks where he scored 6pg instead of 7pg and say you made a good call based on that couple of weeks because he's just smashed in 17(34) points the other night.

It's a long term game and anyone who sold RVP back in February and didn't bring him back in went from making an ok decision to making a pretty bad one the last night. If he doesn't score again till the end then it will probably edge back towards having been a decent decision.

The Gibzilla

Is anyone thinking of shipping him out now? League in the bag, Hernandez on the bench who's no doubt itching for some game time, Rooney more than likely looking to get a run out up front.

Hogey007

The Gibzilla wrote: »

Is anyone thinking of shipping him out now? League in the bag, Hernandez on the bench who's no doubt itching for some game time, Rooney more than likely looking to get a run out up front.

No, i have him and i'll be keeping him. partly due to a real lack of alternatives in strikers for big clubs and while there is decent shouts for lower priced strikers like benteke or sturridge i just wouldn't have enough transfers to re-invest the money in my team, i'd be taking 4 point hits or else leaving millions in the bank.
On the back of his 5 goals in 3 games i don't think now is the time to sell anyway, see how the next 2 games go, united will field strong teams versus arsenal and chelsea so i think he'll start both, but yeah, you'd expect hernandez to get 1 or 2 starts now but it may not be at the expense of RVP, i think he might start alongside him v chelsea.
Out of the 4 remaining games i'd expect him to start 3.
Like someone else already said, I'll be keeping him, i just won't be captaining him for fear of rotation and also because there's other very good captain choices for the next 3 gameweeks.

moreau

Hogey007 wrote: »

No, i have him and i'll be keeping him. partly due to a real lack of alternatives in strikers for big clubs and while there is decent shouts for lower priced strikers like benteke or sturridge i just wouldn't have enough transfers to re-invest the money in my team, i'd be taking 4 point hits or else leaving millions in the bank.
On the back of his 5 goals in 3 games i don't think now is the time to sell anyway, see how the next 2 games go, united will field strong teams versus arsenal and chelsea so i think he'll start both, but yeah, you'd expect hernandez to get 1 or 2 starts now but it may not be at the expense of RVP, i think he might start alongside him v chelsea.
Out of the 4 remaining games i'd expect him to start 3.
Like someone else already said, I'll be keeping him, i just won't be captaining him for fear of rotation and also because there's other very good captain choices for the next 3 gameweeks.

Spot on, you put in writing what's been going through my head

FutureGuy

Hogey007 wrote: »

No, i have him and i'll be keeping him. partly due to a real lack of alternatives in strikers for big clubs and while there is decent shouts for lower priced strikers like benteke or sturridge i just wouldn't have enough transfers to re-invest the money in my team, i'd be taking 4 point hits or else leaving millions in the bank.
On the back of his 5 goals in 3 games i don't think now is the time to sell anyway, see how the next 2 games go, united will field strong teams versus arsenal and chelsea so i think he'll start both, but yeah, you'd expect hernandez to get 1 or 2 starts now but it may not be at the expense of RVP, i think he might start alongside him v chelsea.
Out of the 4 remaining games i'd expect him to start 3.
Like someone else already said, I'll be keeping him, i just won't be captaining him for fear of rotation and also because there's other very good captain choices for the next 3 gameweeks.

My feeling is that he will start 3 games but be rested vs Chelsea. Hernandez loves playing Chelsea.

I'll probably keep him but bench him in the DGW. We'll see how things pan out.

deebag14

I think hernandez plays

Devia

Fergie plans to rotate - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8671062

I've finally shipped RVP out anyway. Have my main league in the bag so taking a punt on a few differentials to try raise my overall standing. If RVP goes on a spree then so be it.

Cantona's Collars

Devia wrote: »

Fergie plans to rotate - http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8671062

I've finally shipped RVP out anyway. Have my main league in the bag so taking a punt on a few differentials to try raise my overall standing. If RVP goes on a spree then so be it.

He's saying now on United's official site that they "have a duty" to play their strongest XI.

moreau

zerks wrote: »

He's saying now on United's official site that they "have a duty" to play their strongest XI.

He said they have a duty to 'not to relax' not a duty 'to play strongest eleven'. Poor reporting on their site!

Nevertheless, I don't care for Fergie news, I won't be getting rid of RVP until I see evidence of a clear rotation policy of him

prettyboy81

RVP will start 2mo, no doubts!

km79

prettyboy81 wrote: »

RVP will start 2mo, no doubts!

Hopefully starts Sunday as well

prettyboy81

km79 wrote: »

Hopefully starts Sunday as well

Bad one there, hand slapped...Sunday RVP starts & gets his guard of honour!

Iused2likebusts

prettyboy81 wrote: »

RVP will start 2mo, no doubts!

Your like barca.No plan B ha