Man Pays €60 Motor Tax Fine With 6,000 1c Coins

Max Power

Where To wrote: »

If it was me I would make him count out every one of them in front of me, then I would count every one of them myself, then I wouldn't accept it as payment as it's not legal tender.

Yes it is legal tender. They just don't have to accept it.

Chuck Stone

xLexie wrote: »

Personally if I had paid 6000 one cent coins I'd only love to stay and watch their faces, a random cough here, an outburst of numbers Tourette's there..

You'd quickly get pissed off I'm sure if it was me because I'd do it with a skip in my step and a chirpy smile.

I'd kill you with kindness.

LizT

xLexie wrote: »

Personally if I had paid 6000 one cent coins I'd only love to stay and watch their faces, a random cough here, an outburst of numbers Tourette's there..

That's just being malicious now, the person working there had nothing to do with the fine being issued in the first place

Morph the Cat

xLexie wrote: »

Personally if I had paid 6000 one cent coins I'd only love to stay and watch their faces, a random cough here, an outburst of numbers Tourette's there..

You sound like a complete knob.

If I got fined €60 for not displaying a tax disc - which would be 100% my own fault - I'd just pay the fine - because I'm not a bellend. It's called taking responsibility for my actions. It's how society works - nobody screwed this guy over - he wasn't "getting revenge" as he put it; nobody did anything to him that wasn't legally warranted. He's just a petty little d*ck - plain & simple.

LETHAL LADY

xLexie wrote: »

Surely it's their job to count the money paid in fines. So, are you saying someone paying in legal tender are malicious? And that's it's "bullying" a public service worker to expect them to do their job? Ie, counting money

Not all people working in these positions are employees of the public service (not that it makes a difference) some are on internships or schemes. Still they are being paid to provide a public service to all and sundry, but I reckon Mr. Big Slong went in with the money counted in the appropriate bank bags and if he did not, sure well it is just as easy to weigh the coins and bag them and ruin his not so cunning plan.

Mr. Nice

Madam_X wrote: »

As you know, it's obviously obnoxious to want to cause all that pointless counting... which is just going to hold up other people queuing.

Because we all know that speedy, efficient service is priority number one in the public service.

Where To

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

Yes it is legal tender. They just don't have to accept it.

6000 1c coins isn't legal tender any more than 6000 mallard ducks is.

Max Power

Where To wrote: »

6000 1c coins isn't legal tender any more than 6000 mallard ducks is.

So a 1c coin is not legal tender? How do you come to that conclusion?

xLexie

Where To wrote: »

6000 1c coins isn't legal tender any more than 6000 mallard ducks is.

But if it wasn't, did they accept it and if they didnt accept it, what's the problem?

Where To

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

So a 1c coin is not legal tender? How do you come to that conclusion?

One 1c coin is legal tender, 6000 1c coins isn't.

regress

Story is ridiculous and patently false. There is no obligation now to accept more than 50 coins for a single transaction. Perhaps the journalist who made up the story wasn't aware of that fact.

Bullseye1

Morph the Cat wrote: »

"The Government has approved formal arrangements to reduce the payment period by central Government Departments to their business suppliers from 30 to 15 days."

1) 30 days is standard on all invoices. 15 days is decent of them, TBH.
2) You still haven't backed up your statement. Nowhere does that article specify that a company went out of business because of the government paying their invoices after 30 days.
3) Article is from 2009.

Try again.

I know of one civil engineering contractor who went out of business because his cash flow dried up due to late payments from local authorities. The banks called in their overdraft and they were out of business. He received payment from the LA when it was too late. If people are relying on their customers to pay in time and they don't it is obvious that some will go ou of business. The fact that they had to produce a document to instruct government bodies to pay within 15 days should tell you that payments were put on the long finger.

Are you saying long finger tactics are acceptable?

Yawns

If I had to stand in a queue behind the ****er I'd most likely want to punch him tho in fairness.

If I was on the other side of the counter, I'd kill him with kindness. Count it all slowly and about halfway through, go for lunch or w/e. Then come back and start again. At the end of it all prob just reject the payment for exceeding too many coins in a single transaction. It'd be even better if no other employee was attending the counter.

Other than that I don't really see the point of it all. Who exactly is he showing who's boss here? The employee gets paid the same regardless of whether they deal with 1 guy with tons of coins or 100 people paying with notes or card. The ticket warden couldn't give a hoots and neither will anyone senior.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Mr. Nice wrote: »

Touche (fnarr, fnarr) my pedantic friend.

No, no, no, no, no. You can't try to throw that around after you initialised the pedantry yourself. "If he masturbated in the tax office he would be a wanker" indeed.

Morph the Cat

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

So a 1c coin is not legal tender?

He didn't say that though, did he? Try reading slower next time. He said 6000 1c coins isn't legal tender, because nobody has to accept more than 50 coins for repayment of a debt.

Boombastic

Madam_X wrote: »

............ The people behind the desk? .................

Nazis where only following orders

smash

Bullseye1 wrote: »

The fact that they had to produce a document to instruct government bodies to pay within 15 days should tell you that payments were put on the long finger.

I don't think you understand credit or the quote above! Standard practice is 30 days. This was the same with government bodies but it has been dropped to 15 for faster payment. Everyone else still gets 30 days.

Yawns

Boombastic wrote: »

Nazis where only following orders

There we go, the thread can be closed now. Godwin's law in full effect.

Max Power

Where To wrote: »

One 1c coin is legal tender, 6000 1c coins isn't.

Wrong again. He could have 6,000,000,000 1c coins and it's still legal tender. The clerk obviously accepted the 6,000 coins so it's legal tender.

7 7 12

They had to accept the payment as it's legal tender.

/thread

Morph the Cat

Bullseye1 wrote: »

I know of one civil engineering contractor who went out of business because his cash flow dried up due to late payments from local authorities. The banks called in their overdraft and they were out of business. He received payment from the LA when it was too late.

If a company has invoices due to be paid, especially from government bodies, the banks will allow you leeway. I know this firsthand. And banks don't "call in their overdraft" - an overdraft is a facility - not a loan to be repaid by a certain date. So the specifics you gave don't even make sense. It's all hearsay.

Max Power

I'm sorry I started this bloody thread now!

Yawns

7 7 12 wrote: »

They had to accept the payment as it's legal tender.

/thread

I love that he re-regged to post that, then ninja edited just to say /thread.

I highly await the next post of his.

Yawns

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

I'm sorry I started this bloody thread now!

Don't worry, it'll be locked any minute now

Bullseye1

smash wrote: »

I don't think you understand credit or the quote above! Standard practice is 30 days. This was the same with government bodies but it has been dropped to 15 for faster payment. Everyone else still gets 30 days.

I'm fully aware of credit lines of 30 days. It's a fact that the 30 day limit was exceeded many times by government bodies.

Madam_X

Boombastic wrote: »

Nazis where only following orders

Yeh someone else made that intensely dumb "point". Comparing everyone in the public sector to nazis doesn't deserve anything other than being laughed at.
But fair enough... you and others here wholeheartedly approve of abusing people who deal with the public.

And you'd NEVER accept a public sector job if you were offered one.

Gotham

This has probably been posted already, but in Ireland they can refuse legal tender if you give them more than 50 coins.
It's not the same in America.

When he gave the coins in, they accepted them. I wouldn't really call that a victory.

It's also pure disgusting that the guy got fined in the first place. I would appeal that asap.

fasttalkerchat

ScienceNerd wrote: »

They're under no obligation to accept that many coins I believe. Other than banks, places don't have to accept more than 50 coins in one transaction or something.

Correct, however they would also be refusing payment should it go to court.

dxhound2005

Ray Palmer wrote: »

It didn't happen. A picture of coins does not make it reality.

You are probably right. There is no mention of it anywhere else in any media that I can find. There is a long history of similar tales.

http://www.snopes.com/sports/baseball/pennies.asp

If it really happened whoever was behind the counter should have politely asked him to present the coins in bags the way he got them from the bank. Even though there would be no legal obligation to accept more than 50 coins. If he refused just let him stand there.

7 7 12

Yawns wrote: »

I love that he re-regged to post that, then ninja edited just to say /thread.

I highly await the next post of his.

Who re-regged ? I'm completely new to boards.ie

smash

Madam_X wrote: »

Yeh someone else made that intensely dumb "point". Comparing everyone in the public sector to nazis doesn't deserve anything other than being laughed at.
But fair enough... you and others here wholeheartedly approve of abusing people who deal with the public.

Even though I agree with you here, will you remind me not to piss you off over the next few days in any threads?

Morph the Cat

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

Wrong again. He could have 6,000,000,000 1c coins and it's still legal tender. The clerk obviously accepted the 6,000 coins so it's legal tender.

Where to start...

1) Anything over 50 coins does not legally have to be accepted for settlements of a debt.
"The clerk obviously accepted the 6,000 coins so it's legal tender."
2) The story is false.
3) If the clerk accepted the payment, that was their call, and does not thereby make it legal tender.

Derp! So many morons on this thread waffling about "legal tender", without even knowing what it means, and they're also ignorant to other laws that apply or supersede it.

Chuck Stone

Where To wrote: »

6000 1c coins isn't legal tender any more than 6000 mallard ducks is.

An army of ducks you say? I find this concept intriguing.

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

I'm sorry I started this bloody thread now!

€50 fine Sir. Sorry don't pay ma bills mmm-hmmm.

Gotham

Gotham wrote: »

This has probably been posted already, but in Ireland they can refuse legal tender if you give them more than 50 coins.
It's not the same in America.

When he gave the coins in, they accepted them. I wouldn't really call that a victory.

It's also pure disgusting that the guy got fined in the first place. I would appeal that asap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender#Republic_of_Ireland

"According to the Economic and Monetary Union Act, 1998 of the Republic of Ireland which replaced the legal tender provisions that had been re-enacted in Irish legislation from previous British enactments, No person, other than the Central Bank of Ireland and such persons as may be designated by the Minister by order, shall be obliged to accept more than 50 coins denominated in euro or in cent in any single transaction."

7 7 12

Morph the Cat wrote: »

1) Anything over 50 coins does not legally have to be accepted for settlements of a debt.

Such nonsense! Where in the constitution is that paragraph, I must have missed it... ..

smash

7 7 12 wrote: »

Such nonsense! Where in the constitution is that paragraph, I must have missed it... ..

Read the post above yours

Morph the Cat

7 7 12 wrote: »

Such nonsense! Where in the constitution is that paragraph, I must have missed it... ..

Page 12. Check it out.

The Economic and Monetary Union Act, 1998

COYVB

ScienceNerd wrote: »

They're under no obligation to accept that many coins I believe. Other than banks, places don't have to accept more than 50 coins in one transaction or something.

Nobody is under any obligation to take any amount of coins I believe, or any amount of notes for that matter

Boombastic

Madam_X wrote: »

Yeh someone else made that intensely dumb "point". Comparing everyone in the public sector to nazis doesn't deserve anything other than being laughed at.
But fair enough... you and others here wholeheartedly approve of abusing people who deal with the public.

And you'd NEVER accept a public sector job if you were offered one.

A lot of them have no sense of humour;)

7 7 12

At the end of the day, if I offered €200,000 for a house and the offer was accepted and legally binding - then I produce €200,000 in 5c coins - they legally must accept my payment as the deal has been signed and coins are legal currency for repayment of debit.

Max Power

Just because they don't have to accept over 50 coins does not make it illegal tender so to speak.

vektarman

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

I'm sorry I started this bloody thread now!

Naw, this beats going to the pub.....:)

krudler

Would you rather have 6000 1c coin sized ducks, or one duck sized 1c coin.


Wait...what's this thread about again?

4zn76tysfajdxp

7 7 12 wrote: »

Such nonsense! Where in the constitution is that paragraph, I must have missed it... ..

When did you last read the constitution anyway?

FionnMcCool87 wrote: »

Just because they don't have to accept over 50 coins does not make it illegal tender so to speak.

The straws. You are grasping at them.

smash

7 7 12 wrote: »

At the end of the day, if I offered €200,000 for a house and the offer was accepted and legally binding - then I produce €200,000 in 5c coins - they legally must accept my payment as the deal has been signed and coins are legal currency for repayment of debit.

Yea coins are... 40,000 of them as a single payment aren't. It's not that hard to comprehend!

Morph the Cat

7 7 12 wrote: »

At the end of the day, if I offered €200,000 for a house and the offer was accepted and legally binding - then I produce €200,000 in 5c coins - they legally must accept my payment as the deal has been signed and coins are legal currency for repayment of debit.

That may be so (even though it's not - but Ill humour you), but everyone would think you're a knob. So work away - do your thing.

Bullseye1

Morph the Cat wrote: »

If a company has invoices due to be paid, especially from government bodies, the banks will allow you leeway. I know this firsthand. And banks don't "call in their overdraft" - an overdraft is a facility - not a loan to be repaid by a certain date. So the specifics you gave don't even make sense. It's all hearsay.

According to ISME state agencies are among the worst offenders when it comes to late payments.

ISME also published the SME Credit Watch Winter Survey at the seminar. According to Fielding, “the latest figures clearly show the effect that late payments are having on SMEs, caught in a vicious cycle of non-payment from large businesses and Government agencies. The main offenders are, as usual, the state agencies and big business where delays continue to put massive pressure on SMEs.The Government refuses to tackle this issue, as businesses go to the wall and jobs are lost because of totally inadequate legislation.”

dxhound2005

COYVB wrote: »

Nobody is under any obligation to take any amount of coins I believe, or any amount of notes for that matter

The subject of legal tender has been done to death over on the Consumer forum many times. You are correct except where a debt has been created.

For instance if you eat a meal in a restaurant and present a €500 note in payment it is legal tender because a debt has been created. If the owner refuses it you can walk out.

But if you go up to the counter in a shop and offer a €100 note or any note or coins for a bar of chocolate the shopkeeper can refuse it and lose the sale.

7 7 12

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The subject of legal tender has been done to death over on the Consumer forum many times. You are correct except where a debt has been created.

For instance if you eat a meal in a restaurant and present a €500 note in payment it is legal tender because a debt has been created. If the owner refuses it you can walk out.

But if you go up to the counter in a shop and offer a €100 note or any note or coins for a bar of chocolate the shopkeeper can refuse it and lose the sale.

Yes, this is what I'm trying to say for example if you buy a house a debit has been created and to settle they must accept 40,000 5c coins if that's what you produce. (the important part is bolded)

Otherwise if they don't accept your coins then from a legal standpoint you essentially receive the house for free as the debit is written off.

Morph the Cat

7 7 12 wrote: »

Yes, this is what I'm trying to say for example if you buy a house a debit has been created and to settle they must accept 40,000 5c coins if that's what you produce. (the important part is bolded)

Otherwise if they don't accept your coins then from a legal standpoint you essentially receive the house for free as the debit is written off.

Do it then, and get a free house. Do it 10 times. The important part is bolded - they HAVE to accept it!!!! You seem so smart. How long did you study law for?

F*cking stupid people....