Xbox One - General Discussion (NO DISCUSSION REGARDING PS4 - MOD WARNING Post 6903)

Pushtrak

Slugs wrote: »

If you wouldn't mind, could you point to this source of IP, EVERYTHING I saw, except that Quantum shift... Break... thingy... was a rehash of washed up IP.

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-getting-15-exclusive-games-in-its-first-year/

They said it during the reveal, and said they'd show more at E3.

Wait away. I too will also wait for E3 to cast a final judgement. However, today has taught me to have no expectations whatsoever, and to expect the worst; that way I won't be bitterly disappointed as I was today.

They had said before this that it wasn't about the game reveals, it was about the system reveals. So, it was much like I expected. Course, like you, E3 is very important. I really need to be impressed by the quality of the games on show.

Red Crow

Yousef wrote: »

I'm not an elitist PC gamer at all.

It seems that if you have reasonable concerns these days regarding a product then you get attacked by every fanboy on the internet. Some people need to grow up. What I said was I didn't see anything innovative. My point stands.

Nobody is attacking you. It's the same old boring debate of PC v Console. Nobody cares about a PC when it comes to consoles so I don't see the point in bringing it up. It's fairly obvious who the fanboy is.

wexdevil

Thank god E3 isn't too far off

ShiverinEskimo

Slugs wrote: »

If you wouldn't mind, could you point to this source of IP, EVERYTHING I saw, except that Quantum shift... Break... thingy... was a rehash of washed up IP.

That's what they claimed during the press conference. I don't have a link. I don't think anyone does. And a new IP is a new IP - every game these days is washed up rehash if you really want to boil it down.

Slugs wrote: »

Claiming to invest in servers is one thing, the lifespan of those servers is another thing entirely. Take EA for example. EA have provided dedicated servers for their games in the past, and when the game passed maturity, those servers were turned off. LOTR BFME II and LOTR Conquest, NFSMW all spring to mind as examples of this. There is a very real danger this will occur with this server deal, as the majority of what I've read here and seen from the presentation has shown that the company is less about providing a "gaming" experience and more about ****ing you for EVERY dollar they can. For a company that has always claimed to be about innovation, I have seen very little of it today asides from hardware development and aesthetic development. Essentially style over substance.

Again, I'm only able to go on what was said during the conference. If you want to assume the worst then nothing I can say will stop you. They said 300,000 servers for xbox live. Nothing more, nothing less. We'll have to wait and see - something very few seem willing to do on this thread. I'm trawling the web all evening looking for more details. And more details will come between now and release.

Slugs wrote: »

Wait away. I too will also wait for E3 to cast a final judgement. However, today has taught me to have no expectations whatsoever, and to expect the worst; that way I won't be bitterly disappointed as I was today.

Today has shown me an actual console (incidentally it's growing on me the more images are filtering out online - matches my onkyo amplifier), confirmed its hardware specs and displayed most of its features.

I don't know what exactly you or anyone else seemingly disappointed were expecting from a hardware reveal but if it wasn't the above then your expectations were misplaced to begin with IMO.

Pacing Mule

COYVB wrote: »

They wont recoup them, they're cooked

And follow on from that train of thought ...

What happens then ?

Reality is that if the pre owned market is completley taken away Gamestop and others have no choice but to increase the retail price of new games. Retail here in particular can't operate on current new games pricing as a stand alone if that's going to be the core revenue stream going forward.

So retail prices go up, less games are sold and ultimately specialist games retailers on the high street bite the dust. It will leave a ****e range of games in the corner of your local Tesco if you want to buy off the high street. So you're looking at online retail or digital distribution.

My understanding of the proposed pre owned structure is that effectively what will happen is a kind of digital distribution but with the game being placed onto the console via ripping it from the disc as opposed to downloading the game. Lending / selling on / trading in your game can and I think will be as restricted as if you had downloaded it. Mentions of "activation fees" can easily be swapped out for "digital distribution fee" because that's what it is.

If the console does not require a disk to be present then the "activation fee" is going to have to be close to full retail price otherwise one disk would be used to get multiple discounts. Why buy it new if you can borrow disc of a mate - pay an activation fee cheaper than the new game price, then pass it on to your next mate who does the same ? Either the original / first use key has extra content to encourage the market to buy new or the "activation" on the second console will stop the first console playing the game. If the latter is true then you could be looking at a different kind of trade in scenario. Can / would it be allowed for Gamestop and other retailers to operate the service ? Remains to be seen. But either way this more than anything hurts the end customer.

Yousef

Eli Manning wrote: »

Nobody is attacking you. It's the same old boring debate of PC v Console. Nobody cares about a PC when it comes to consoles so I don't see the point in bringing it up. It's fairly obvious who the fanboy is.

I never once hinted at a PC Vs. Console debate.

All I said was that I didn't see anything innovative and that everything we seen is already in operation on other platforms. What on earth are you talking about?

cursai

cant imagine ripping too many games onto a 500gb hard drive.. especially blu raysized games.

Arawn

With each game being locked to a profile this can only mean one thing.....Lan style parties are back

ShaneU

Xbox support saying there isn't a fee now

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport/status/336936354913071104

riclad

I Think its sad, it,ll be no longer practical to buy this console ,if you do not have broadband.
But then it,ll probably be 400 euro plus,
eg out of the reach of the casual buyer.
Shops like game make most of their profit from selling preowned games.
i might buy a second hand ps3 ,and buy Metal gear 4, uncharted ,killzone .
Instead of buying an xbox1.

zenno

I think it has a nice shape, ergonomic shape, i like ergonomic.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-05/21/new-xbox-console

Pacing Mule

riclad wrote: »

I Think its sad, it,ll be no longer practical to buy this console ,if you do not have broadband.
But then it,ll probably be 400 euro plus,
eg out of the reach of the casual buyer.
Shops like game make most of their profit from selling preowned games.

I'm hearing a guide of €499 but that's not going to be confirmed for a while yet.

Alpha Dog 1

Completely in the minority here but I was fairly impressed with what was shown.
This device is going to be epic In my room.
The specs are very impressive. 8 gb of RAM is immense. It's going to run extremely smoothly.

Also like the new dashboard, looks fairly intuitive. So many features which are crucial in the modern world.

But the main thing I wanted improved in the update was the switching ability. Can't wait to be able to pause my game of HALO, switch to sky sports, check the score in the match, switch back and finish the game.

Lovely juvly!

miralize

When the latest and greatest phones cost about 499 without contract, and a life cycle of the console is the length of the generation of 8 years (without device failure) it actually isn't that much.

Its looking hideous, but they showed (albeit briefly) the two games I mostly play on Xbox (COD and Fifa), so I'm relatively happy with it. The integrated PVR and supposed graphical power is nice to have.

Prodigious

Leaving PC gaming for Xbox one !?!?!

Pacing Mule

ShaneU wrote: »

Xbox support saying there isn't a fee now

https://twitter.com/XboxSupport/status/336936354913071104

Mixed messagestbh ..

From Wired.com

Wired editor Peter Rubin spent multiple days at Microsoft’s Redmond campus learning all about Xbox One in advance of the announcement, and most of what the Microsoft execs wanted to talk about was entertainment as a whole, not just games. “The decision wasn’t ‘we need a gamebox,’” Xbox executive Marc Whitten told Wired.

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There’s one feature of Xbox One from which we can infer quite a few conclusions: You can install any game from the disc to the console’s hard drive, and then play that game whenever you like without having to put the disc in.
Wired asked Microsoft if installation would be mandatory. “On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play,” the company responded in an emailed statement. Sounds mandatory to us.
What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner.
Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc.
But what if a second person simply wanted to put the disc in and play the game without installing – and without paying extra? In other words, what happens to our traditional concept of a “used game”? This is a question for which Microsoft did not yet have an answer, and is surely something that game buyers (as well as renters and lenders) will want to know. (Update: Microsoft called Wired after this story was originally published to say that the company did have a plan for used games, and that further details were forthcoming.)
And what of the persistent rumors that Xbox One games will be “always online” – that is, that single-player games would require a constant online connection to function? As it turns out, those rumors were not unfounded, but the reality is not so draconian. Xbox One will give game developers the ability to create games that use Microsoft’s Azure cloud computing service, which means that they might be able to offload certain computing tasks to the cloud rather than process them on the Xbox One hardware itself. This would necessitate the game requiring a connection.
Are developers forced to create games that have these online features, and are thus not playable offline? They are not, Xbox exec Whitten said to Wired — but “I hope they do.” So the always-online future may come in incremental steps.

Those quotes also coming from microsoft / named microsoft staff.

stevenmu

The launch was mostly "meh".

The TV, switching and always on stuff looks good. I like the idea that I can be watching TV through it, jump into a game for a quick session, then jump out to TV again, or watch a film or something.

I like the "snap" feature too. You could be playing a game or watching TV and get a skype call and carry on watching/playing at the same time.

I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't talk more about apps. There was clearly an app tab there, and one of the guys did mention web apps. I want to know much more about those.

It also looks like they have more to announce regarding the 2nd hand games. With all the rumours going around they really should have cleared that up better. My bet is that to play a game without the disc in, you will have to "activate" the game against your account, doing that deactivates it for anyone who previously had it activated. I'm guessing that the charge is just for multiple activations.

COYVB

stevenmu wrote: »

I like the idea that I can be watching TV through it, jump into a game for a quick session, then jump out to TV again, or watch a film or something.

If only some current technology existed that allowed us to flick between inputs on our televisual display systems eh

COYVB

mcgovern wrote: »

Half of them will probably be Kinect related.

And XBLA titles

COYVB

Captain Chaos wrote: »

So, you can still play games offline they just have to be new and not second hand.

You can play the non always-on games, yes. Things like Destiny will be always on

cursai

if I use the switch to tv feature when im playing multiplayer will it pause the world whilst I check the news.

or is it just a gimmick?

Slugs

Joe... Thank you

ShiverinEskimo

stevenmu wrote: »

I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't talk more about apps. There was clearly an app tab there, and one of the guys did mention web apps. I want to know much more about those.

It's a Windows 8 style OS with the associated apps that will be applicable to the Xbox. Could be very versatile.

Arawn

cursai wrote: »

if I use the switch to tv feature when im playing multiplayer will it pause the world whilst I check the news.

or is it just a gimmick?

Yeah it will pause everyone elses game just so you can check the news

MrVestek

Having to pay a license to play a second hand game is a huge deal breaker for me. Won't be buying it.

listermint

The TV stuff will not work on this from launch. Its all US stuff. There is no defending how terrible this launch was global village my ass.

They might as well have wrapped the box up in a flag and sent it off to irag to fight for freedom.


You cant look at the tv stuff as a positive because most of it will have no operation in this marketplace and for most marketplaces outside of north america.

To say they spent too long sh*te talking about the interaction between tv and us sports would be an understatement. There is no surprise here that Sonys stock went up. I dont think Microsoft actually listened to any of their 'global' product teams on this because they shot themselves in the foot.

miralize

Is it that big of a deal? Do you honestly think they'd charge more than a tenner??

ahnowbrowncow

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Too many people seem to want to hate this too much.

Lots of complaints about lack of games this, shift of focus away from games that and yet nobody had mentioned what I mentioned above - 15 exclusives, 8 of which are new IPs in year one.

In the last few weeks many on here were giving out about sequelitis and lack of new IP/exclusives. They hit us with those figures above and talk about persistent worlds, real-time aging of those worlds and their contents and a massive investment in servers to support the gaming.

I for one will await further info before kneejerking and rushing to write it off.

Name them then, because it's quite easy to pull numbers from thin air. I saw 3 exclusives, one new IP and they weren't very interesting.

With no gameplay shown at the revealing of it's console it's looking like the launch, under 7 months from now, will have feck all games.

You'll be waiting quite awhile for your 15 exclusives.

Pushtrak

Neither reveal has sold either system to me, but I expect both will in due course. Seriously, we're all just waiting for E3 now, and having a bit of banter until then.

Reality_Check1

tried to keep the ranting to a minimum but for those of you interested it kicks off at 2.44