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Xbox One - General Discussion (NO DISCUSSION REGARDING PS4 - MOD WARNING Post 6903)

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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭ShiverinEskimo


    COYVB wrote: »
    E3 isn't open to the public
    But the information garnered from it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,201 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    COYVB wrote: »
    E3 isn't open to the public

    :o,I should clarify my point, most gaming sites and magazines that attend will report their findings on what is what, neither sony or microsoft will disclose what their consoles can and can not do, it will take a third party to do that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Skiddies


    I'm looking forward to hearing about the new xbox but I think I might be going with the PS4. So much bad rumors about the new xbox :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    :o,I should clarify my point, most gaming sites and magazines that attend will report their findings on what is what, neither sony or microsoft will disclose what their consoles can and can not do, it will take a third party to do that.

    You won't get that kind of information coming out of E3 unfortunately. The consoles will be in a relatively controlled environment, and they'll only be doing what MS and Sony enable them to do. You're going to have to wait until August before you get the proper hands-on stuff, complete with the relative strengths and weaknesses of each system

    Remember, it's not that long ago that MS "demoed" the 360 when it was actually playing off top end PCs recessed into the demo unit stands. Speaking from experience, what you see is not always what you get at E3


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    PS4 all the way for me anyway. MS is taking a very dangerous route right now shifting its focus away from games


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9 Skiddies


    The new xbox just seems more like an entertainment system instead of a gaming console.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Atomicjuicer


    Skiddies wrote: »
    The new xbox just seems more like an entertainment system instead of a gaming console.

    Yeah, especially if you're the type who considers ads entertainment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭PhlegmyMoses


    COYVB wrote: »
    You won't get that kind of information coming out of E3 unfortunately. The consoles will be in a relatively controlled environment, and they'll only be doing what MS and Sony enable them to do. You're going to have to wait until August before you get the proper hands-on stuff, complete with the relative strengths and weaknesses of each system

    Remember, it's not that long ago that MS "demoed" the 360 when it was actually playing off top end PCs recessed into the demo unit stands. Speaking from experience, what you see is not always what you get at E3

    Some of the reveals at Sony's event were similar. Pretty sure Ubisoft said they were using a PC to demo their game at that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    Some of the reveals at Sony's event were similar. Pretty sure Ubisoft said they were using a PC to demo their game at that.

    Yup. Everything we've seen from WatchDogs so far has been on PC - but it's been a PC built to be as similar as possible to the PS4/Next Xbox as far as I understand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Alpha Dog 1


    Skiddies wrote: »
    The new xbox just seems more like an entertainment system instead of a gaming console.

    Hopefully, but they would want to start adding more like the Rte player, tv3 player. Sky would want to start adding a few more channels aswel. I'd like to see being able to access sky and Netflix without needing a gold account.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭calex71


    Not sure where folks are getting the whole moving away from gaming thing?

    It will have a disc slot yes? There is a list as long as your arm of game developers willing to make games for it? SO what what if they are adding all kinds of extra stuff regards "entertainment" to it it will still play games nothing changes there, take or leave the other stuff, the problem i have with it is will it cost me money to have stuff there I don't want or use???? likely yes, like the brilliant and successful kinect built in :rolleyes:

    Backward compatibility would be a cost id be willing to absorb, that could be a deal breaker, given my investment up to now.

    As for features ps4 will want to emulate xbox and vice versa and long gone are the days were there console exclusives were a factor in choosing a platform

    I've an open mind and it will likely be this time next year before i can afford to think about choosing a platform, and likely we will have 360 releases into the new year anyway but i really feel a lot of what has been speculated is kite flying nothing more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    calex71 wrote: »
    Not sure where folks are getting the whole moving away from gaming thing?

    It's an entertainment unit firstly, a games console secondarily


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    calex71 wrote: »
    As for features ps4 will want to emulate xbox

    From speaking to people in Sony, I assure you that is not the case. They want to distance themselves wholly from Microsoft's impending shift in direction


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,126 ✭✭✭✭calex71


    COYVB wrote: »
    It's an entertainment unit firstly, a games console secondarily

    It is what ever you use it for surely? I only play games on mine, and I'm 100% positive i would be able to do the same on any future xbox?
    COYVB wrote: »
    From speaking to people in Sony, I assure you that is not the case. They want to distance themselves wholly from Microsoft's impending shift in direction

    Your talking out of you behind here, when people say moving away from gaming MS see it as expanding revenue streams (not siding with them here as I could do without the extra crap on the dashboard), and I'm sure Sony want to stick to being a 100% gaming platform and let xbox cream off all that extra revenue from netflix etc, sure sony license their music to xbox for their music service , no, no they don't want a slice of a pie that isn't 100% gamer beef at all at all do they?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,233 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    Wait for the reveal before you rule out the Xbox remember speculation is all we currently know


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    calex71 wrote: »
    It is what ever you use it for surely? I only play games on mine, and I'm 100% positive i would be able to do the same on any future xbox?

    Of course, it's always going to be what the user uses it for that matters, but I'm talking purely from how the system is being positioned both internally and when it comes to marketing campaigns. Set top box is the priority, gaming is secondary
    calex71 wrote: »
    Your talking out of you behind here, when people say moving away from gaming MS see it as expanding revenue streams (not siding with them here as I could do without the extra crap on the dashboard), and I'm sure Sony want to stick to being a 100% gaming platform and let xbox cream off all that extra revenue from netflix etc, sure sony license their music to xbox for their music service , no, no they don't want a slice of a pie that isn't 100% gamer beef at all at all do they?

    Sony know the PlayStation is a games console, they're not trying to make it anything else. The focus will always be primarily gaming and gaming related features. Microsoft's focus is streaming content, web browsing, Kinect and "lifestyle" stuff primarily. For Sony, PS4 is a games console that can stream media and do other things, for Microsoft the Next Xbox is a set top box that can play games


  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭tim3000


    I hope they don't do this always online thing I have heard rumors about. Also I hope that they allow the sale of second hand games. I think it would be a huge mistake for them if they didn't allow the re-sale of used games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    tim3000 wrote: »
    I hope they don't do this always online thing I have heard rumors about. Also I hope that they allow the sale of second hand games. I think it would be a huge mistake for them if they didn't allow the re-sale of used games.

    By doing that, i presume the idea behind it is to prevent piracy.
    I honestly think it would encourage it. It would definitely encourage more people then normal, to hack into the guts of it. Although after i wrote that, i realised that there probably is a whole lot more going to try in this generation. A lot more "Tech-Savvy" people out there now, than there was the last time.
    But they don't have a massive problem with the current xbox. I know it has got a chip and you can buy preloaded hard drives etc.. But i don't know anyone that actually bought them.

    Will current Xbox games be able to be played on it i wonder.


  • Registered Users Posts: 555 ✭✭✭tim3000


    Allyall wrote: »
    By doing that, i presume the idea behind it is to prevent piracy.
    I honestly think it would encourage it. It would definitely encourage more people then normal, to hack into the guts of it. Although after i wrote that, i realised that there probably is a whole lot more going to try in this generation. A lot more "Tech-Savvy" people out there now, than there was the last time.
    But they don't have a massive problem with the current xbox. I know it has got a chip and you can buy preloaded hard drives etc.. But i don't know anyone that actually bought them.

    Will current Xbox games be able to be played on it i wonder.

    That was my thinking too anti piracy software is always cracked. Surely microsoft know the damage piracy does on PC and don't want to risk it on their home system. I could envision a time when people will trade entire systems not just games as a way around sharing games. Im hoping they listen to the outcry those tweets generated. If they didnt then sony will have a huge market advantage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭Screaming Monkey


    probably gonna recycle all them Surface RT laptops into a new case ;)

    Not very excited about this, trying to think of a feature that would make me fork out 250+euro.
    They cant even deliver stuff on the current xbox and thats nothing really todo with the hardware.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    probably gonna recycle all them Surface RT laptops into a new case ;)

    Not very excited about this, trying to think of a feature that would make me fork out 250+euro.
    They cant even deliver stuff on the current xbox and thats nothing really todo with the hardware.

    3D gaming. Handheld console type add-on that doubles as a controller. Better Movie/Audio Codecs. Apple TV Competitor.

    That's pretty much all the rumours i've heard put into a nutshell.

    Nothing that overly impresses me, or nothing that you can't already do on an existing console. 3D gaming is probably possible with an addon.

    As a matter of fact, the only thing noticeably different is the lack of an Optical Drive.

    I won't be buying a 4k TV for at least another 5 years, so i wouldn't be taking advantage of that capability.

    I'd rather wait this one out, and see what bugs, (RROD) people are hit with.
    Thinking back (slightly off topic), it's crazy the amount of people that had to throw out their Xbox because of a manufacturing fault.
    There is no way they'd get away with that again. Any faults this time, and they'll be repairing them free.


  • Registered Users Posts: 995 ✭✭✭iColdFusion


    I'm not sure where all this negativity is coming from, I have both consoles and find the 360 [especially XBL] to be leagues ahead of what Sony offers, my PS3 is ironically only used for dvd/bluray/video's.
    Seems very unlikely to me that there will be some sort of giant role reversal for the next gen, in fact if the 720 can play all the stuff I currently use my PS3 for that would be a big plus in my book!

    Backwards compatibility would be a non issue for me too, never got any real use out of it with the 360.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    Allyall wrote: »
    the only thing noticeably different is the lack of an Optical Drive.

    Not sure where you're getting that from, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that it'll have an optical drive

    Also, this:

    Beef Uproots


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    I'm not sure where all this negativity is coming from.

    Not being negative, Or not meaning to be anyway. I'm just saying, i won't be rushing to buy this, or any next gen console.
    I know, i thought i was happy with the Snes and the PS came out. Thought i was happy with that and the PS2 came out etc..

    But, i honestly can't see what is going to make me "want" this (or any next gen).

    I definitely won't be one of the first to buy.
    COYVB wrote: »
    Not sure where you're getting that from, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that it'll have an optical drive

    Also, this:

    Beef Uproots

    I've read that in a fair amount of the rumour sites.. If it does, then bonus..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Allyall wrote: »
    Not being negative, Or not meaning to be anyway. I'm just saying, i won't be rushing to buy this, or any next gen console.
    I know, i thought i was happy with the Snes and the PS came out. Thought i was happy with that and the PS2 came out etc..

    But, i honestly can't see what is going to make me "want" this (or any next gen).

    I definitely won't be one of the first to buy.



    I've read that in a fair amount of the rumour sites.. If it does, then bonus..

    It's rumoured to have an optical drive, probably something similar to a blu-ray drive but one that doesn't play Blu-Ray movies, something to do with licensing out the Blu-Ray name.

    It is Sony's format after all, they can screw everyone on this.

    I would reckon that this could be the last console generation that uses an optical drive, the shape of the land is changing but not enough yet to ditch Discs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭2Mad2BeMad


    COYVB wrote: »
    Of course, it's always going to be what the user uses it for that matters, but I'm talking purely from how the system is being positioned both internally and when it comes to marketing campaigns. Set top box is the priority, gaming is secondary



    Sony know the PlayStation is a games console, they're not trying to make it anything else. The focus will always be primarily gaming and gaming related features. Microsoft's focus is streaming content, web browsing, Kinect and "lifestyle" stuff primarily. For Sony, PS4 is a games console that can stream media and do other things, for Microsoft the Next Xbox is a set top box that can play games

    xbox can play games, ps3 can play games
    new gen xbox can play games , ps4 can play games

    both can play the same type of games, both are close to the same graphics and hardware(old gen)

    so if xbox want to branch out abit more and widen their options to more people
    whats wrong with that?
    their still focusing on gaming as a main for the xbox, streaming is mainly a bonus for people with the xbox so i dont get why yas are hating on xbox over it
    seems like a very fan boyish fight to be honest :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    their still focusing on gaming as a main for the xbox, streaming is mainly a bonus for people with the xbox

    Source?


    Oh, wait


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    at the moment, there is certainly a real danger that Xbox is going to concentrate on other aspects that don't appeal to us more so than Sony. It looks Sony are hoovering up some of the Indie developers and judging by the end of 360/PS3 cycle, its Sony who look more concerned about exclusives compared to the beginning when Xbox looked like the more hardcore of the two.

    Hopefully Xbox can blow us away on May 21. If they can just get back to basics and concentrate on what they are good at for starters, they should be able to maintain their market share.

    If there is anyone pretending to have fun on stage with Kinect and spend half the time talking about how great Kinect is, it's probably a lost sale from here and many others.

    This is basically what I want from the reveal, just think Xbox instead of Sony for the video.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    What's the last original IP that was an Xbox exclusive (and not a sequel)? They've lost their momentum completely in the last 3 years at MS. They're more concerned with letting people order pizzas online than presenting honest to god reasons for players to buy into another generation.

    Absolutely no fanboyism here, I have no need for it since I get games and consoles free, but Sony have all the momentum here, and they have done for a while.

    Xbla was the main thing MS had, and they've let that fall behind. PS+ is the kind of service I would expect if I was forking over money for a subscription. Free games or paying for the ability to pay for additional services?

    If I was a punter there's only one answer to that


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭2Mad2BeMad


    COYVB wrote: »
    Source?


    Oh, wait

    source? please go away fanboy :) this is the xbox sub forum isnt it?


    xbox plays games does it not? if an xbox plays games, and has been since the original xbox WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO PLAY GAMES, WHICH WAS BUILT TO PLAY GAMES
    then surely you'd call it a console
    media , streaming are all extras
    to which makes the xbox alot better then the ps3 IMO

    if anything
    ps3 and their blue ray crap ( really just over priced dvd scam) makes the ps3 seem much more media like then anything else


    again these are MY OPINIONS
    so try not to get butt hurt over it this time



    edit : also i agree with you on ps+ one thing sony did right, although im not a fan of xbla, im more into playing games, and taking a break watching sky or netflix on the one machine
    hell if anything i would bet me house on it that next gen consoles will have alot more media involved and streaming
    anything to boost those sales up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    source? please go away fanboy :) this is the xbox sub forum isnt it?


    TBH I don't think its fanboi talk. I'm one of those folks who just doesnt have the time to get both consoles and play each platforms exclusives titles so I stick to one per generation and this and last gen it was XBOX or me but I have to agree with everything he's saying here.

    MS's focus is on being everything else first THEN a games console. Considering the money, time and manpower needed to properly make a console and its attached online service to work properly a console manufacturers companies focus needs to be on the gaming aspect first and foremost.

    Bells and whistles are great, hell, one would argue bells and whistles set one product aside from another but they have to be built around a solid core but in XBOXs case the core of gaming has been neglected to a huge degree in recent years.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 7,412 Mod ✭✭✭✭pleasant Co.


    all i'm hearing is the sound of more nails being hammered in...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    source? please go away fanboy :) this is the xbox sub forum isnt it?

    I assure you, it's not in my nature to be tribal about pieces of plastic with silicone chips in them - in fact, it's my business to be as objective as possible about them. You're the only one showing any vaguely fanboyish tendencies here
    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    xbox plays games does it not? if an xbox plays games, and has been since the original xbox WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO PLAY GAMES, WHICH WAS BUILT TO PLAY GAMES
    then surely you'd call it a console
    media , streaming are all extras

    That is absolutely the case with the 360 - however there's a concerted effort within MS to make its successor a set-top box first and foremost. That's where the income is for them, as far as they see it. Better to have people on monthly rolling deals with services they may or may not use more than a handful of times a week, which sees MS get a cut, than hoping they buy FIFA and COD every year. You seem to be confusing the current generation model with what's coming later this year, with zero basis in anything apart from your imagination. That's fair enough
    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »

    again these are MY OPINIONS
    so try not to get butt hurt over it this time

    Why would I get butthurt? I couldn't care less what console does what. I'm given them all regardless. If one is crap, I'm not out of pocket. I have zero loyalty to any company, nor should I given the fact that I work in the industry and impartiality is very important


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    all i'm hearing is the sound of more nails being hammered in...

    Lets give them until May 21st and maybe e3 as well. The signs are not good though for Xbox right now.

    I just hope some of the rumours are not true and the PS4 reveal proved some of rumours to be false, namely the second-hand game lockdown.

    Keep your minds open until we know more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    the PS4 reveal proved some of rumours to be false, namely the second-hand game lockdown.

    It didn't. All they said is that it's capable of playing pre-owned games. They didn't say that it won't cost you a pretty penny for the privilege


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,233 ✭✭✭✭DARK-KNIGHT


    Ignore any scaremongering..

    My three fave consoles in my lifetime were nes, snes and the 360 I'm not listening to bull**** speculation ill wait for microsofts OFFICIAL unveil and you should all do the same before pledging ps4 lads remember the ps3 was and had serious flaws too. The two consoles are gonna be very similar not that much between them... After that its personal choice...

    Sony were cute as buck announcing theirs first leaving thoughts that you can play used games but you might have to pay 15-20 euro for the privilege to do so..

    I personally can't stand sons dash layout, the service they offer is terrible and controllers are tiny and badly laid out analogue stick wise.

    If Microsoft offer me what I have with the new console but with next gen graphics and gameplay I am sold now...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    depending on the final console, i may not be buying another console this generation.

    not too bothered by what ive seen/heard from sony so far, so unless the 720 is really really good, im investing the cash into my pc instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,580 ✭✭✭✭Riesen_Meal


    I like games.....

    I have an Xbox 360 first and got a PS3 after

    So far Sony are all about the games, if Microsoft go down the social features route again like they did with Kinect, dragons, I'm out....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Meesared


    I seen one in CEX last week


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    MOD: Guys and gals, am merging the "Xbox720" threads.

    Please keep on topic. I will be keeping an eye on fanbois from both sides. Please do not engage anyone attempting to troll - instead, please use the report function.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Meesared


    FutureGuy wrote: »
    MOD: Guys and gals, am merging the "Xbox720" threads.

    Please keep on topic. I will be keeping an eye on fanbois from both sides. Please do not engage anyone attempting to troll - instead, please use the report function.
    You merged the Kinect accessories thread too :p


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 15,237 Mod ✭✭✭✭FutureGuy


    Meesared wrote: »
    You merged the Kinect accessories thread too :p

    yeah I knew something had gone wrong lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    COYVB wrote: »


    Why would I get butthurt? I couldn't care less what console does what. I'm given them all regardless. If one is crap, I'm not out of pocket. I have zero loyalty to any company, nor should I given the fact that I work in the industry and impartiality is very important

    May I ask what you do as a job?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    Prodigious wrote: »
    May I ask what you do as a job?

    I write words about things in North America


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    COYVB wrote: »
    I write words about things in North America

    Like Baseball?


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 18,115 ✭✭✭✭ShiverinEskimo


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Like Baseball?

    play_mlb2K13_400.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,660 ✭✭✭COYVB


    Prodigious wrote: »
    Like Baseball?

    Thankfully, no. I know practically nothing about baseball, although I'm learning. I write about games, the game industry and occasionally bits about mobile tech. I do some TV scripts occasionally too for game and tech related stuff. That's incredibly dull.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Based on the speculation so far I can't see me going near the next Xbox and when family ask me what to get for their kids the answer will be PS4. Unless things change quite a bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭Prodigious


    Sounds cool :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭ShaunC


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    It's rumoured to have an optical drive, probably something similar to a blu-ray drive but one that doesn't play Blu-Ray movies, something to do with licensing out the Blu-Ray name.

    It is Sony's format after all, they can screw everyone on this.

    I would reckon that this could be the last console generation that uses an optical drive, the shape of the land is changing but not enough yet to ditch Discs.


    It is not SONY That owns the Blu-Ray format.
    Sony and Philips jointly started working on the format but then........

    The Blu-ray Disc Founders (BDF) group was a collection of technology firms working together to develop and support the Blu-ray Disc. The Blu-ray Disc Founders was launched on May 20, 2002. As Blu-ray support grew progressively; announcements in 2004 included Hewlett Packard and Dell, which declared backing for the standard on January 12, 2004, and TDK on March 19, 2004. It announced that Blu-ray Disc Founders will shift to Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) in October on May 18, 2004. It shifted to Blu-ray Disc Association on October 4, 2004.
    The companies are:
    Sony Corporation
    20th Century Fox
    Dell
    Hewlett Packard
    Hitachi
    LG Electronics
    Panasonic Corporation
    Mitsubishi Electric
    Philips
    Pioneer
    Samsung Electronics
    Sharp
    TDK
    Thomson

    BTW. I hope the new XBox has the blu-ray drive, if it has I can get rid of my PS3.
    Nothing against the PS3 but I prefer the XBox for gaming.


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