Xbox One - General Discussion (NO DISCUSSION REGARDING PS4 - MOD WARNING Post 6903)

Ryuji_w

This explains it all for me, supposed to be a games console not one mention of games or any actual gameplay showcasing hardware improvements to hype up E3, gimmicky kinect and the fact that my pc can do most those things (steaming tv, movies etc) just aswell doesn't help in the slightest.

So as a multi-media/entertainment system that reveal was amazing and something i would buy if i wanted one of those,
but as a games console it was an absolute failure of the highest order which shows considering sony's stock rose 9.2% and nintendo's rose 2.5% and the twitter battle seems to say alot aswell

http://uk.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/

http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=SNE

http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=NTDOY

riclad

I play fps games ,halo, cod, battlefield 3,
i can see no point in using kinect on games like these.
This is an always on console, if you don,t have broadband ,no point in buying it.
Since theres millions of 360s out, there ,
i expect many companys will still make games for it,
unless microsoft stops them from doing so.
it Seems the kinect will always be on,
which takes a certain amount of ram,and cpu bandwidth ,
even if you never use it.

Myrddin

listermint wrote: »

You can guarantee its going to be cloud based, So i wouldnt even bother thinking about how big a local hard drive is tbh.

Game installs won't be cloud based, so local hdd size is definitely a factor

Red Crow

Andrew76 wrote: »

Apparently it will be possible to connect external drives to it using the USB 3.0 ports and they can act as additional storage. Link.

That's a bit crap though, isn't it? You'd assume with games getting bigger we could be talking about 10-12GB per game. Which isn't too bad when broken down but you then have DLC, Updates, Music, Movies etc. You're probably only getting 20 games on the Hard Drive. They want to make this an entertainment device but the initial storage isn't there to support that.

I think I might hold off on an initial purchase as I'd like to see what the performance of these consoles are over the Christmas period and what problems are being reported. With the race to out do each other I'd say both consoles could have plenty of design flaws and bugs. Also problems with hardware may only be discovered on a wider scale so I may just wait until after the Christmas period for this one.

Penn

Ryuji_w wrote: »

http://uk.gamespot.com/twitter-battle/xbox-vs-ps4/

The countries where XboxOne is beating PS4 in their poll:
Albania
Montenegro
Sri Lanka
Qatar
Nicaragua


Wow.

Red Crow

Penn wrote: »

The countries where XboxOne is beating PS4 in their poll:
Albania
Montenegro
Sri Lanka
Qatar
Nicaragua


Wow.

Hardly surprising though is it? Once the PS4 reveals more we'll be back to a dead heat. Both companies announcements were poor but I'll admit I agree with the general consensus that Microsoft's announcement was worse. Then again I ported from PS3 to Xbox this generation so I'm not really bothered who comes out the better as I'm going to buy the better one.

Pushtrak

Penn wrote: »

The countries where XboxOne is beating PS4 in their poll:
Albania
Montenegro
Sri Lanka
Qatar
Nicaragua


Wow.

Didn't you know? Big fans of ESPN.

Pacing Mule

Royal Irish wrote: »

I don't think they have anything to clear up regarding that. They have confirmed that each disk will be locked to the account it is first installed on and if the disk is given to someone else they will have to pay a fee after installing the game on their account.

The fee will also be closer to the cost of the original game and not just a tenner like the EA online passes.

The pre owned games market has had this coming and I am not one bit surprised. The sales games companies lose out on because of it are probably staggering.

Emphasis on probably because nobody really knows. I'd even go as far as to say possibly.

People buy pre owned games because they are cheaper. How many pre owned purchasers would not have paid full price for the game if pre owned wasn't available ? My educated guess is 85% of pre owned game sales occur at the lower end of the price point and would not have occurred if full price was being asked.

Pre owned drives new sales. Again an educated guess but 40%-50% of new game sales are part or wholly financed by trading in pre owned. Will these customers continue to buy the same amount of new games if there is no pre owned market ?

New game prices are sold well below RRP because the retailer is making a higher margin on the pre owned portion of the business (and with that big of a percentage of new game sales having pre owned in the equation via trade in this is a big factor in the price discounting) Take pre owned out - new game prices will not be as heavily reduced if at all. When the price goes up will sales fall ?

We can only go on anecdotal evidence for the above as it's impossible to get an accurate figure on what effect the pre owned market has on new sales. My personal opinion is that it balances out all round. Indeed if I had to call it either way I'd say the pre owned market might even be a help to new game sales overall - especially in markets like here where the price cuts on new games are so much bigger.

Pushtrak

I see the merits in the argument "people buy more games because they buy preowned" but lets reverse that. Lets say the PS4 and One both go this route, so the choice of console isn't based on this. What would happen then? I really don't see a mass exodus to PC gaming. So, what, then? People would buy fewer games, yes, but they would all be new.*


*Ok, all is a bit much as there is a resell option to be available, details unknown.

Arawn

Pushtrak wrote: »

I see the merits in the argument "people buy more games because they buy preowned" but lets reverse that. Lets say the PS4 and One both go this route, so the choice of console isn't based on this. What would happen then? I really don't see a mass exodus to PC gaming. So, what, then? People would buy fewer games, yes, but they would all be new.*


*Ok, all is a bit much as there is a resell option to be available, details unknown.

I'm going to make a pc build, I know a lot of my gaming clan were considering it before the reveal and this has just cemented it for a lot of members

Cork24

I don't know what type of GPU they will be using just stats AMD chip

but looking on this site its saying the GPU wont be as powerful as the PS4,

i have a media Center already so the whole "Xbox One" Media don't sell to me, its what type of Games and how the Graphics within the games are going to look will sell to me,

http://asia.cnet.com/xbox-ones-gpu-not-as-powerful-as-ps4s-62221459.htm

"We purposefully did not target the highest-end graphics. We targeted more as a broad entertainment play and did it in an intelligent way."

Like what is that meant to mean, you dont care how the games look on your Console, just give us more Xbox live Servers and we be all happy..

With this said I think i will hold off till both Consoles are out on the market and i can see what they both look like..

Xbox Live is the price going to be the same or is it going up ?

Richard Dower

^ it means they cut down the APU clock speeds or disabled some stuff on-die or something of that nature.

Its looking more like a DVR or Smart tv all the time.......

Underpaid Mike

Arawn wrote: »

I'm going to make a pc build, I know a lot of my gaming clan were considering it before the reveal and this has just cemented it for a lot of members

The harsh reality is that this is probably true for 1% or less of all xbox users whereas NFL or the media centre will attract potentially millions of completely new xbox users.
Not saying I agree with what they are at but hardcore gamers have never been microsofts install base so what were people expecting exactly?

gizmo

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

People buy pre owned games because they are cheaper. How many pre owned purchasers would not have paid full price for the game if pre owned wasn't available ? My educated guess is 85% of pre owned game sales occur at the lower end of the price point and would not have occurred if full price was being asked.

Based on revenue from second hand sales from Gamestop, there's no way that many sales occur at the lower end of the price point.

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

Pre owned drives new sales. Again an educated guess but 40%-50% of new game sales are part or wholly financed by trading in pre owned. Will these customers continue to buy the same amount of new games if there is no pre owned market ?

Probably not, but the question is whether the removal of the second hand games from circulation will generate more new sales. Since people aren't just going to stop playing games and most second hand games are traded in more than once, I'd heavily bet that it would result in a net increase in new sales.

Pageant Messiah wrote: »

New game prices are sold well below RRP because the retailer is making a higher margin on the pre owned portion of the business (and with that big of a percentage of new game sales having pre owned in the equation via trade in this is a big factor in the price discounting) Take pre owned out - new game prices will not be as heavily reduced if at all. When the price goes up will sales fall ?

Online retailers who don't offer trade ins have offered games at prices far below RRP for years. Bricks and mortar retailers are a different story obviously.

Underpaid Mike

gizmo wrote: »

Based on revenue from second hand sales from Gamestop, there's no way that many sales occur at the lower end of the price point.


Probably not, but the question is whether the removal of the second hand games from circulation will generate more new sales. Since people aren't just going to stop playing games and most second hand games are traded in more than once, I'd heavily bet that it would result in a net increase in new sales.


Online retailers who don't offer trade ins have offered games at prices far below RRP for years. Bricks and mortar retailers are a different story obviously.

A thought is to take 10% or 20% on the transaction of selling a game on the new xbox marketplace. That way both microsoft and the publisher will make money from second hand games. This seems the most obvious way to get a cut of the action, im sure gamestops margins are >40% on their second hand game sales at times so you can see why publishers want a cut of the action

Ardennes1944

Ok so for a lazy bastard like me not wanting to read through the last bunch of pages, the general consesus seems to be that the xbox has gone from a serious gaming console to an entertainment console yeah? so the ps4 is now our only hope?

Arawn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riNIjE-J4NQ

Replace for nfl

Pacing Mule

gizmo wrote: »

Based on revenue from second hand sales from Gamestop, there's no way that many sales occur at the lower end of the price point.

Overall revenue should not be confused with volume of sales. Furthermore if a retailer makes the same or more profit on a €10 pre owned game sale versus a €50 - € 60 new game the percentage of revenue / profit derived is very much skewed.

gizmo wrote: »

Online retailers who don't offer trade ins have offered games at prices far below RRP for years. Bricks and mortar retailers are a different story obviously.

2 factors here:

1) Most big discount online retailers are operating from the channel islands and therefore outside of the EU. Most of the discount there is actually because there is no 23% VAT in the equation.

2) Cost of running a bricks and mortar store is a lot higher than an internet site. For bricks and mortar stores to be discounting as much as they have been here in Ireland has only been made possible by the pre owned market here.

koHd

Underpaid Mike wrote: »

The harsh reality is that this is probably true for 1% or less of all xbox users whereas NFL or the media centre will attract potentially millions of completely new xbox users.
Not saying I agree with what they are at but hardcore gamers have never been microsofts install base so what were people expecting exactly?

Bang on. (EDIT: Except for hardcore gamers never being the Xbox install base. The original Xbox was purely a hardcore gaming system. Just look at the beast.)

I remember watching many years ago a show about Microsoft's plans to become the hub of the home. Way before the original Xbox was even rumoured.

I think it was about the Microsoft future home exhibition and it was suggested the beginning of getting the tech they demoed in that exhibition into real homes could be getting a Microsoft media centre at the heart of the entertainment system first.

Microsoft's plan the entire time was to get the Xbox as a fixture under the tv and slowly morph it into that central hub over time, as the tech became more affordable for consumers.

A really good plan when you think about it.

The first high tech, high cost product you release will only be taken on by hardcore early adopters. Gamers are probably the biggest group of hardcore early adopters on the planet.

Now that Xbox is a well known brand they can shift their focus a little.

Stone Deaf 4evr

Its a funny old market, consider the age of the average gamer now - from 18 to 35 i'd be imagining? these are the people with the disposable income who'll invest in an 'entertainment solution' that'll do everything.

I'm 34, have a wife and 2 kids,been gaming since the commodore 64. my xbox 360 gets used every day for netflix & sky player, then when they're gone to bed, I fire up whatever game I'm playing at the time. I'd imagine I'm pretty typical of the "average guy" I'd see the new xbox (or ps4, as I reckon when all is said and done, they'll be broadly similar) as a good solution for my needs.

On the graphics front, I cant understand why people are freaking out over what little we've seen. the visual jump was never going to be as much as the jump from standard definition to HD - and in fairness, go back and look at the xbox360's launch lineup - the graphics are terrible compared to what we have now. developers need time to learn how to exploit the system and to build the tools to create these graphics.

pleasant Co.

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

Ok so for a lazy bastard like me not wanting to read through the last bunch of pages, the general consesus seems to be that the xbox has gone from a serious gaming console to an entertainment console yeah? so the ps4 is now our only hope?

Maybe, there hasn't been enough information provided yet. The ps4 could end up being no more viable an option as it too may have similar restrictions - all the details haven't been confirmed.
Right now, without knowing sony's plans, I'm slightly edging more towards the ps4...it's not a lock, but hopefully sony's lack of multimedia planning means they'll focus more on the gamers - no guaranty that the ps4 won't end up just being the xbox one without the media aspect though.

Time, time, and more time will decide this

FutureGuy

I'm incredibly uncomfortable with Kinect being able to read my vital signs to be brutally honest.

Low end of the spectrum, it could tailor advertising to what is exciting you on screen.


High end, information pertaining to your personal health could be sold to insurance companies. Resting heart rate 85? Hmmm better up his premiums!

Stone Deaf 4evr

Microsoft Kinect - silently judging you as you fap to your favourite blu-ray porn.

WhoSaidWhut

FutureGuy wrote: »

I'm incredibly uncomfortable with Kinect being able to read my vital signs to be brutally honest.

Low end of the spectrum, it could tailor advertising to what is exciting you on screen.


High end, information pertaining to your personal health could be sold to insurance companies. Resting heart rate 85? Hmmm better up his premiums!

Pretty sure there's a legality issue here with selling health information to insurance companies, that and all health insurances must conduct their own medicals. I think for fitness this is a good idea, that, and the Xbox should be able to tell you when your overworked and prompt you rest if your heartbeat is outside its "normal" confines.

Speaking as a healthcare professional, kinect would be excellent to use for certain patients requiring physio or for stress tests and make it fun

Arawn

WhoSaidWhut wrote: »

Pretty sure there's a legality issue here with selling health information to insurance companies, that and all health insurances must conduct their own medicals. I think for fitness this is a good idea, that, and the Xbox should be able to tell you when your overworked and prompt you rest if your heartbeat is outside its "normal" confines.

Speaking as a healthcare professional, kinect would be excellent to use for certain patients requiring physio or for stress tests and make it fun

But what will it define as normal, I know for a fact when I'm in shape for kickboxing my heart rate is 52bpm but when out of shape it's 80.


Ever see persons of interest on tv.....think of all those wirelessly accessible cameras!

I really have no interest in xbox one tbh. I think im finally going to joing the gaming master race

Stone Deaf 4evr

imagine the possibilities though - games like Call of Duty often induce rage when you're playing online - could the game try and level the playing field by increasing your resistance to damage etc etc?

bring on the future!

Arawn

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

imagine the possibilities though - games like Call of Duty often induce rage when you're playing online - could the game try and level the playing field by increasing your resistance to damage etc etc?

bring on the future!

Lmao what a stupid idea, I'm not good enough at the game so I should be rewarded with buffs??

ahnowbrowncow

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

Its a funny old market, consider the age of the average gamer now - from 18 to 35 i'd be imagining? these are the people with the disposable income who'll invest in an 'entertainment solution' that'll do everything.

I'm 34, have a wife and 2 kids,been gaming since the commodore 64. my xbox 360 gets used every day for netflix & sky player, then when they're gone to bed, I fire up whatever game I'm playing at the time. I'd imagine I'm pretty typical of the "average guy" I'd see the new xbox (or ps4, as I reckon when all is said and done, they'll be broadly similar) as a good solution for my needs.

On the graphics front, I cant understand why people are freaking out over what little we've seen. the visual jump was never going to be as much as the jump from standard definition to HD - and in fairness, go back and look at the xbox360's launch lineup - the graphics are terrible compared to what we have now. developers need time to learn how to exploit the system and to build the tools to create these graphics.

And if your kids want to play a game on their own account and not yours, you'll have to purchase another code from microsoft for the full retail price.

The xbox live tv is only available in the US at launch, you still have to buy xbox gold to play online, it requires you to connect to the internet, can't change hdds, no backwards compatibility and you have to buy the kinect whether you want it or not.

So to me there really isn't anything positive about the xbox one, if you want a gaming console that you can also use for nexflix etc it looks like ps4 is what you should buy but things could change in the next 6 months.

Underpaid Mike

Xbox live tv may also be available in Europe at launch apparently

So Xbox One will allow users in North America to view live TV on their consoles. But it seems that feature won't be available in Europe for the console launch. Is that correct?
Well, you shouldn't assume that necessarily.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/may/22/xbox-one-interview-chris-lewis?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Varik

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

And if your kids want to play a game on their own account and not yours, you'll have to purchase another code from microsoft for the full retail price.

If your account is on the console it will allow another account to use it on that console.