England National Team Talk/News/Rumours

Dozen Wicked Words · 07-09-2013 1:36am

Decent win for England, now difficult trip to Ukraine. Draw would be a good result.

mike65 · 09-10-2013 10:48am

Jack Wilshire turns into Little Englander

According to Fifa statutes a player is eligible to play for a country if he has "lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 in the territory of the relevant association", meaning Januzaj would have to wait until 2018, when he is 23, to be able to represent England. "No, for me, if you are English, you are English, and you play for England," said Wilshere, who is hoping to gain an 11th cap against Montenegro on Friday. "The only people who should play for England are English people.

"If you've lived in England for five years, for me, it doesn't make you English. You shouldn't play. It doesn't mean you can play for that country. If I went to Spain and lived there for five years, I'm not going to play for Spain. For me an English player should play for England really." Asked whether the same criteria should apply to managers of the national side, the midfielder added: "I think it's better if there is an Englishman [in charge], but don't get me wrong, Fabio Capello did a lot for my England career. He brought me here, gave me my debut and stuck with me form a young age, so he was a good manager as well."

John Barnes says hi! (so does Terry Butcher

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Beefy78 · 09-10-2013 10:55am

He isn't wrong. You don't have to have been born in a country to represent them but you should identify with them. I may be wrong but none of the quotes I've read from this Wilshere story today have said that he thinks only people born in England should play for the England team.

Januzaj isn't English under any real definition of the word. He wasn't born there, hasn't got English parentage, didn't move there at a young age and wasn't schooled there. He should represent the country that he feels he belongs to.

Far more concerning than the headline comments about nationality is Wilshere's claim that England shouldn't try to be technical and should leave that to the Spanish. Having a strong tackle and great workrate isn't enough and shouldn't be seen as enough.

GavRedKing · 09-10-2013 10:56am

If Januzaj continues to develop he'll probably be in the Belgium squad after the WC anyway so its a pointless debate but Jacks comments dont make for great reading really.

Beefy78 · 09-10-2013 11:02am

GavRedKing wrote: »

If Januzaj continues to develop he'll probably be in the Belgium squad after the WC anyway so its a pointless debate but Jacks comments dont make for great reading really.

Why don't they make for good reading? If someone doesn't consider themselves English then they have no business playing for England. If someone doesn't consider themselves Irish then they have no business playing for Ireland either.

Januzaj has rejected Belgium again this week when they tried to call him up for this weekend's games. He has no intention of playing for them because he does not identify himself as being Belgian and all power to him.

AdamD · 09-10-2013 2:19pm

Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere 2h
Anyway....training was decent today, I even managed to score again! With my right foot! #wishingtraininggoalscounted
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I wish he was English! I'm sure most of you agree with me even if some journalist are trying to make me look bad....again!
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Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere 2h
The question was should foreign players be allowed to play for England, and in my opinion I don't think they should! He is a great player...
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Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere 2h
Just to clarify a few things....again! Seems to be a trend in this country, poor journalism in my eyes! I wasn't referring to Janujaz...
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Guy said absolutely nothing wrong. The world's gone PC mad

klose · 09-10-2013 3:01pm

Ive read a few times janujaz is snubbing belgium for albania anyways but its ricidulous the notion of him playing for england was entertained atall tbh, they might aswell give mikel arteta a call up too while they're at it.

Seen this too

When asked about whether foreign players should be allowed to play for England, Wilshere had replied: "We have to remember what we are. We are English. We tackle hard, are tough on the pitch and are hard to beat.

Bit rich coming from a lad who spent half the west brom game on the deck

greendom · 09-10-2013 3:14pm

klose wrote: »

Ive read a few times janujaz is snubbing belgium for albania anyways but its ricidulous the notion of him playing for england was entertained atall tbh, they might aswell give mikel arteta a call up too while they're at it.

Seen this too

Bit rich coming from a lad who spent half the west brom game on the deck

It would be a "bit rich" if he conplained about the treatment he was getting. The fact that he was getting little protection from the ref is another matter.

greendom · 09-10-2013 3:15pm

mike65 wrote: »

Jack Wilshire turns into Little Englander

John Barnes says hi! (so does Terry Butcher )

And 3 quarters of anyone who's ever played for Ireland

SlickRic · 11-10-2013 4:42pm

the rumoured front 6 for England tonight...

Gerrard, Lampard, Townsend, Welbeck, Rooney, Sturridge.

that midfield. ouch. i'm assuming it's 4-4-2. but anyway, yeah. ouch.

Vic Vinegar · 11-10-2013 5:29pm

SlickRic wrote: »

the rumoured front 6 for England tonight...

Gerrard, Lampard, Townsend, Welbeck, Rooney, Sturridge.

that midfield. ouch. i'm assuming it's 4-4-2. but anyway, yeah. ouch.

Really annoying how Lampard keeps playing (and doing f**k all) when Carrick is sitting on the bench twiddling his thumbs.

Beefy78 · 11-10-2013 7:08pm

Lampard is usually one of England's top performers. If Carrick should come in for either of them it should be Gerrard.

Vic Vinegar · 11-10-2013 7:41pm

Beefy78 wrote: »

Lampard is usually one of England's top performers. If Carrick should come in for either of them it should be Gerrard.

Really? i haven't seen him play really well for ages. Ideally, i'd like to see both dropped and younger talent brought in tbh.

Super-Rush · 11-10-2013 7:59pm

Tbh neither Gerrard or Lampard should start but if in was forced to choose then it would be Gerrard on the bench.

Keane really layed into Joe Hart a few mins ago.

IvySlayer · 11-10-2013 8:00pm

Super-Rush wrote: »

Tbh neither Gerrard or Lampard should start but if in was forced to choose then it would be Gerrard on the bench.

Keane really layed into Joe Hart a few mins ago.

The beard has spoken

Sugarlumps · 11-10-2013 8:40pm

Rooney missed a sitter, Townsend the only shining light.

Super-Rush · 11-10-2013 8:48pm

England could take off a CB and put Carrick in. At least the team would have someone to link defence to the midfield. Gerrard and Lampard just want to stay forward all the time.

klose · 11-10-2013 9:16pm

It must be what, ten years later on and gerrard and lampard are still starting in midfield. Even me dog knows it just dosent work.

bad2dabone · 11-10-2013 9:18pm

Looks like job done for England this evening, fair play to them

Beefy78 · 11-10-2013 9:20pm

Might as well give us the trophy now.

Hank Scorpio · 11-10-2013 9:27pm

Had about 4 or 5 great chances to score and kill the game then concede

Beefy78 · 11-10-2013 9:28pm

Urgh. Just know we'll have 20 minutes sitting behind the ball now.

COYW · 11-10-2013 9:29pm

2-1, disaster giving away that goal. Nervous end to the game now.

Dozen Wicked Words · 11-10-2013 9:34pm

Fuppin get in Townsend. Hopefully can relax for rest of game, but doubt it.

COYW · 11-10-2013 9:38pm

Nah, job done. Time to think about Poland.

G.K. · 12-10-2013 10:21am

Wasn't convinced by that performance. I don't think Rooney got involved enough, Townsend didn't use his right foot and stifled attacking moves by cutting inside (And then showed he had a right foot with that belter of a goal) and the midfield was cut through too easily.

Not sold on Rooney and Sturridge together yet. There were flashes.

mike65 · 15-10-2013 7:00pm

England XI: Hart, Smalling, Baines, Gerrard, Cahill, Jagielka, Townsend, Carrick, Sturridge, Rooney, Welbeck

Poland XI: Szczęsny, Celeban, Jędrzejczyk, Glik, Wojtkowiak, Krychowiak, M Lewandowski, Błaszczykowski, Mierzejewski, Sobota, R Lewandowski

Paul Tergat · 15-10-2013 7:09pm

Cmon England. 3 more points and we're over the line

Dozen Wicked Words · 15-10-2013 7:12pm

Going to miss the first half because of work, but that could be a good thing!

Nervous enough now, Gerrard needs to pass the ball a bit better today hopefully.

Beefy78 · 15-10-2013 7:59pm

Seen loads of references to that game against Croatia in 2007 today. Coming out of Wembley that night in the pouring rain was an all time footballing low for me. I'll take a 1-0 here.

dundalkfc10 · 15-10-2013 8:08pm

Noise is incredible from the Polish fans

Super-Rush · 15-10-2013 8:15pm

Gerrard is playing like a passenger tonight.

CSF · 15-10-2013 8:17pm

Super-Rush wrote: »

Gerrard is playing like a passenger tonight.

Yeah, he let his marker go......................

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I'll get my coat.

MagicMarker · 15-10-2013 8:18pm

Reckon Poland will score here.

Paully D · 15-10-2013 8:26pm

England need to get Januzaj on.

Morzadec · 15-10-2013 8:27pm

In his favour,gerrards set piece delivery has been excellent

COYW · 15-10-2013 8:31pm

Morzadec wrote: »

In his favour,gerrards set piece delivery has been excellent

One of the best in the game at the moment. So many players hit the first man. Sturridge is driving me mad tonight. He'll probably score now, fingers crossed.

Edit : What a miss!

Beefy78 · 15-10-2013 8:32pm

Jesus Christ Welbeck!!

How is this 0-0?!

COYW · 15-10-2013 8:33pm

And Gerrard hits the first man. :mad:

Super-Rush · 15-10-2013 8:33pm

COYW wrote: »

One of the best in the game at the moment. So many players hit the first man. Sturridge is driving me mad tonight. He'll probably score now, fingers crossed.

Edit : What a miss!

He hits the first man every time for Liverpool.

Should have been a pen for England there. Defender had his arm wrapped around Sturridges neck.