Under the Influence : Des Bishop

People do realise that Arthur's day isn't a National Holiday yeah?

MadsL

Deleted User wrote: »

People do realise that Arthur's day isn't a National Holiday yeah?

Nor does 1759 have much to do with the nitro-fizzed beverage in their hand. The brewery didn't produce anything dark (English porter) until 1778 and the last porter was brewed in 1973. Roasted unmalted barley didn't make its way into Guinness until the mid twentieth century and the modern brew is much weaker than the 7% or 9% alcohol original product.

JONJO THE MISER

Staff Infection wrote: »

He was between 19 and 20 when he quit according to this weeks Sunday Times culture magazine.

Typical Yank, prob had 10 pints for 3 nights in a row and thought he was a alco:rolleyes:.
He should mind his own affairs.
The pub culture is what makes Ireland so social, you will have people form 18 to 95 in local pubs, go to North America and you will never see anyone over 60 in a pub, instead locked up inside there house with no one to talk too and more that likely on meds that some doctor gave them for no reason.
Perhaps Des should worry more about Americans and there love affair with prescription drugs instead of us Irish and drink.

MadsL

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Typical Yank, prob had 10 pints for 3 nights in a row and thought he was a alco:rolleyes:.
He should mind his own affairs.
The pub culture is what makes Ireland so social, you will have people form 18 to 95 in local pubs, go to North America and you will never see anyone over 60 in a pub,

Frankly, bollox.

instead locked up inside there house with no one to talk too and more that likely on meds that some doctor gave them for no reason.
Perhaps Des should worry more about Americans and there love affair with prescription drugs instead of us Irish and drink.

What.the.actual.fuck?

Wompa1

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Typical Yank, prob had 10 pints for 3 nights in a row and thought he was a alco:rolleyes:.
He should mind his own affairs.
The pub culture is what makes Ireland so social, you will have people form 18 to 95 in local pubs, go to North America and you will never see anyone over 60 in a pub, instead locked up inside there house with no one to talk too and more that likely on meds that some doctor gave them for no reason.
Perhaps Des should worry more about Americans and there love affair with prescription drugs instead of us Irish and drink.

He has lived in Ireland for most of his life... He's likely been in Ireland longer than most people on this site

2rkehij30qtza5

The thing about Des Bishop is yes he can be funny but he can also go too far..
Example: when I was in college one of the guys in my class had been in an accident & was blind. He had a lovely guide dog that he used to bring to class.
One might we all went to Des Bishop and Des noticed that this guy had a guide dog, therefore must be blind.
He started slagging him off saying things like "I'll set you up with a girl..don't worry I'll make sure she is not ugly cos we all know you can't see"....well he went on and on to the point that my classmate got so embarrassed and upset and he stood up and said to Des "please stop, I wasn't always blind you know".
Des Bishop went way down in my estimation that night. I thought it was an awful thing he did...to bring up a member of the audience's blindness in the first place and then to slag him and then to keep going on about it where my classmate had to tell him to stop.

mark renton

Paula Delicious Thesaurus wrote: »

The thing about Des Bishop is yes he can be funny but he can also go too far..
Example: when I was in college one of the guys in my class had been in an accident & was blind. He had a lovely guide dog that he used to bring to class.
One might we all went to Des Bishop and Des noticed that this guy had a guide dog, therefore must be blind.
He started slagging him off saying things like "I'll set you up with a girl..don't worry I'll make sure she is not ugly cos we all know you can't see"....well he went on and on to the point that my classmate got so embarrassed and upset and he stood up and said to Des "please stop, I wasn't always blind you know".
Des Bishop went way down in my estimation that night. I thought it was an awful thing he did...to bring up a member of the audience's blindness in the first place and then to slag him and then to keep going on about it where my classmate had to tell him to stop.

Maybe it was an oversight on the friends behalf not to see it coming?

Sunnyisland

mark renton wrote: »

Maybe it was an oversight on the friends behalf not to see it coming?

I see what you mean.

Brussels Sprout

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Typical Yank, prob had 10 pints for 3 nights in a row and thought he was a alco:rolleyes:.
He should mind his own affairs.
The pub culture is what makes Ireland so social, you will have people form 18 to 95 in local pubs, go to North America and you will never see anyone over 60 in a pub, instead locked up inside there house with no one to talk too and more that likely on meds that some doctor gave them for no reason.
Perhaps Des should worry more about Americans and there love affair with prescription drugs instead of us Irish and drink.

That's some narrow-minded, backwards-ass, xenophobic crap right there.

Duggys Housemate

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

That's some narrow-minded, backwards-ass, xenophobic crap right there.

Not just that, des actually did a skit on stage mocking that "typical yank" reaction he expected to get, but gets it anyway.

staker

Seems that's all he's into these days Des, pointing out what's wrong in the country.
Went to see him once and only once, found him really condescending.

mark renton

staker wrote: »

Seems that's all he's into these days Des, pointing out what's wrong in the country.
Went to see him once and only once, found him really condescending.

And did you find him condescending before you went to see him?

starlings

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

The pub culture is what makes Ireland so social, you will have people form 18 to 95 in local pubs, go to North America and you will never see anyone over 60 in a pub, instead locked up inside there house with no one to talk too and more that likely on meds that some doctor gave them for no reason.

What, the pub culture of over-priced drink, blanket smoking ban, loud music and tv, like a haunted dancehall with tumbleweed on weeknights?

Paula Delicious Thesaurus

Paula Delicious Thesaurus wrote: »

The thing about Des Bishop is yes he can be funny but he can also go too far..
Example: when I was in college one of the guys in my class had been in an accident & was blind. He had a lovely guide dog that he used to bring to class.
One might we all went to Des Bishop and Des noticed that this guy had a guide dog, therefore must be blind.
He started slagging him off saying things like "I'll set you up with a girl..don't worry I'll make sure she is not ugly cos we all know you can't see"....well he went on and on to the point that my classmate got so embarrassed and upset and he stood up and said to Des "please stop, I wasn't always blind you know".
Des Bishop went way down in my estimation that night. I thought it was an awful thing he did...to bring up a member of the audience's blindness in the first place and then to slag him and then to keep going on about it where my classmate had to tell him to stop.

That's a terrible joke tbh. I would make blind jokes to a blind person but I'd at least try to be funny rather than have the punchline just be them being blind.

jpm4

He brought nothing new to the table with this and like all his TV shows it felt like an ad for his live gig. At least with that Work Experience show I felt he was putting the spotlight on a an area of society that most people wouldn't know or give a toss about, but here there was nothing you wouldn't see on a Prime Time special. Boring.

Super-Rush

Sydney Numerous Rioter wrote: »

Didn't you promise to change your name for a year for charity?

Had to be changed back. It was a breach of boards policy.

Da Shins Kelly

To be honest, I think the whole drinking "culture" in Ireland is created by the laws surrounding alcohol - having off licenses close at 10 and pubs at 12 and clubs and late bars at 2. It means that people are just downing drink after drink so quickly in order to get drunk before everywhere closes, which causes them to over-do it and go beyond their limits. If places were open longer, I think people would be more inclined to take their time about it and pace themselves more. It would be more about slowly getting there, rather than this mad rush where people lose count of what they're drinking, just so long as they are drinking. It would also mean there wouldn't be this out-pouring of people onto the streets all at the same time in the night, all hammered, and would reduce the chances of fights and accidents.

I also think that there's no point dealing in extremes - the heavy drinkers and the non-drinkers. The fact is, most people are somewhere in between and most people do not have drinking problems and they do grow out of it when they get to a certain age. I'm in college now, so I enjoy quite a bit of drinking (and that's in Spain as well as Ireland, where I can tell you the drinking habits of students are not all that different from Irish students), but my brother is a bit older than me and used to be mad for the drink, but I've noticed in the last year or so, he has slowed down a lot. He doesn't go out nearly as much, doesn't get drunk so much, and all his friends are the same. I think a lot of this "drinking problem" people are seeing is young people being stupid and not knowing their limits, which is not helped by the laws surrounding alcohol and pubs and clubs. I think people do eventually get to an age where it's no longer that appealing though. Of course they do, life changes and becomes about other things other than having a good time with friends where there are little or no responsibilities.

As for Des Bishop, meh.

April O Neill

Poor oul Des. He's one of these comedians it's not remotely cool to like.

Cos, despite what people say, what's "cool" to like is most definitely a factor for a lot of people.

Stewart Lee. Cool.
Tommy Tiernan. Not cool.
Dylan Moran. Cool.
Des Bishop. Not cool.

Now, I like Lee and Moran a LOT, but they have their weak moments too.

Grayson

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

To be honest, I think the whole drinking "culture" in Ireland is created by the laws surrounding alcohol - having off licenses close at 10 and pubs at 12 and clubs and late bars at 2. It means that people are just downing drink after drink so quickly in order to get drunk before everywhere closes, which causes them to over-do it and go beyond their limits. If places were open longer, I think people would be more inclined to take their time about it and pace themselves more. It would be more about slowly getting there, rather than this mad rush where people lose count of what they're drinking, just so long as they are drinking. It would also mean there wouldn't be this out-pouring of people onto the streets all at the same time in the night, all hammered, and would reduce the chances of fights and accidents.

What was the name of that guy who used to do economic shows on RTE? I remember the show he did on cafe bars. The idea was to grant cafe bar licenses and have loads of little cafes spring up. they could sell alcohol but would only be small places.
FF tried to bring it in, but their backbenchers rebelled. Because 1/3 of them owned pubs or something like that.
Off licenses close early because of pressure from the vintners association. It drives more people to the pub.

And as for closing hours, that makes sense, I've always thought the longer a club stayed open the better. Less people being chucked onto the street at 2am and people would have to pace themselves.

EDIT: Here's the proposal http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0415/62034-alcohol/

apache

well i fell down my stairs last night and blacked out. (after a night in town) i have 2 huge lumps on my head and badly bruised. i'm blessed i didn't break anything.

i'm in a poor state today. totally self inflicted. never drinking again. gonna stay at home in future and do my knitting.

des is dead right. its a mad world out there. i'm just glad i didn't have to bother the emergency services. although there is a possibility i may die later. i look like a giraffe with the two lumps on my head.

mark renton

apache wrote: »

never drinking again. gonna although there is a possibility i may die later. i look like a giraffe with the two lumps on my head.

if you do die, does your username become available again?

apache

mark renton wrote: »

if you do die, does your username become available again?

it might go into the archives and float in space forever? these are the types of questions one must ponder when one meets ones maker.

mark renton

apache wrote: »

it might go into the archives and float in space forever? these are the types of questions one must ponder when one meets ones maker.

If so, then how long does a username spend in purgatory?

apache

infinity would be my guess.

i'm sore. my head hurts and i need a hug

mark renton

apache wrote: »

infinity would be my guess.

i'm sore. my head hurts and i need a hug

Not on this thread pal, Des was right, no compassion for self inflicted insanity.

apache

you're right.
everybody will give out to me now.

NegativeCreep

Rag week this week in DIT. Des better stay away or he'll have a heart attack :P

4zn76tysfajdxp

Super-Rush wrote: »

Had to be changed back. It was a breach of boards policy.

Untrue. You've gone down an awful lot in my estimation, man.

April O Neill

^^^^^ Who cares about this?

mark renton

April O Neill wrote: »

^^^^^ Who cares about this?

not me - however what does catch my interest given that valentines day is coming up and im gettin a bit lonely - what are your stats April?

Grayson

mark renton wrote: »

not me - however what does catch my interest given that valentines day is coming up and im gettin a bit lonely - what are your stats April?

You realise April's a dude? He's just a really really big Turtles fan. And Raphael was already taken

April O Neill

mark renton wrote: »

not me - however what does catch my interest given that valentines day is coming up and im gettin a bit lonely - what are your stats April?

52-52-52.5*

That's right, I'm apple-shaped and could crush you like a coke can against a roider's forehead. Come and get it, big (but not as big as me) boy.

* I let myself go after Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles ended.

mark renton

shouldnt be allowed - its like on Catfish

anhedonia

Odysseus wrote: »

Well to be fair, that viewpoint commonly associated with 12 step fellowship and 12 step treatment facilities is merely just one perspecttive on addiction and alcoholism.

There are many people with histories of alcohol and addiction problems who don't fit into that model.

Whilst I have a bit of time for that particular model, when it comes to evidence it doesn't do too well when compared with other treatment models.

Just out of curiosity which treatment models are more effective?

If we're talking narcotics I imagine buprenorphine/methadone substitution gets better results than a 12 step program (at least in terms of bringing stability to the addicts life), but with alcohol are there more effective treatment models than AA ?

Super-Rush

Sydney Numerous Rioter wrote: »

Untrue. You've gone down an awful lot in my estimation, man.

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mark renton

Grayson wrote: »

You realise April's a dude? He's just a really really big Turtles fan. And Raphael was already taken

Whats April gotta do with Turtles?

mark renton

Super-Rush wrote: »

From terms of use.

Dead right but we have to have some consistency, yer man up there is calling himself April... We cant have that

gcgirl

mark renton wrote: »

Whats April gotta do with Turtles?

LOL even i know who the heck is April and i did not even watch the turtles

Odysseus

anhedonia wrote: »

Just out of curiosity which treatment models are more effective?

If we're talking narcotics I imagine buprenorphine/methadone substitution gets better results than a 12 step program (at least in terms of bringing stability to the addicts life), but with alcohol are there more effective treatment models than AA ?

That is a really interesting but very big question tbh.

It really depends, a lot depend on the methods used to evaulate it. CBT which really covers a lot of different therapies often come out looking good and is a buzz word used in treatment setting.

Like Sobell and Sobell would be very anti AA and another well know text "The Myth of Heavy Drinking" I can't remember the author off the top of my head.

I have some time for the 12 Step fellowships, 12 step treatment facilities I have less time for.

It can also be difficult to assess treatment as treatment aims can differ said goping on to MMT cannot really be compared with going into the Rutland Center different aims really.

I know that does not answer your question, however, I would be weary of anyone telling me this is the best and only way to reat a person.

Different people respond differentlt to different treatments.

Edit: Just to add, we are not really using buprenorphine over here currently. It can only be prescribed from a hospital setting, so that means only one or two clinics are giving it out. Shame really, we should be availing of all useful meds.

Sky King

mark renton wrote: »

Whats April gotta do with Turtles?

April O'Neill was a character in the teenage mutant traveller turtles, which is a cartoon from the 90's about fighter-members of the irish travelling community who were mutated into fighting turtles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Dndt7PeGs

mark renton

Sorry, never watch that tripe - I'm more of a Micky Flanagan man myself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY1Riu58YGA

wow sierra

lots of people in Ireland drink too much and make poor decisions while drunk, hurt themselves and clog up A&E departments, get sick in doorways and taxis, annoy or even attack their friends and random strangers. Pretty much the same as they do in many other societies.

Des Bishop is an annoying condescending prick.

All this I knew before this programme aired.

Now he is an annoying condescending prick getting more money from my TV license. While Roisin Shorthall who was working hard to deal with the drinking issue has been shafted by our wonderful Government.

Otherwise life is more or less the same since they made the last RTE documentary on this issue.

Oh and having a lot of drink on a night out is actually a lot of fun for most of us.

skyfall2012

Haven't read all replies, so if this has already been suggested forgive me, but the solution to all this binge drinking is to open up some late night coffee shops and give people an alternative. Alternatively, more tapas bars where people eat more and drink less:)

Dionysius2

wow sierra wrote: »

lots of people in Ireland drink too much and make poor decisions while drunk, hurt themselves and clog up A&E departments, get sick in doorways and taxis, annoy or even attack their friends and random strangers.

Oh and having a lot of drink on a night out is actually a lot of fun for most of us.

Well everybody to their own taste like. Not much of a drinker myself but I'd be very keen to smoke a birra hash now & again. Can't wait for it to be legalised so we can have real choice...alcohol or hash like.....janorramean ?
Can't understand why I can't have a bit of hash which is no burden to the Irish taxpayer (but it's illegal ffs) while the drug that fills the alco units and mental homes and kills thousands year after year is legal.....go figure !

Daveysil15

starlings wrote: »

What, the pub culture of over-priced drink, blanket smoking ban, loud music and tv, like a haunted dancehall with tumbleweed on weeknights?

Ahh in fairness now, the smoking ban was a good thing. I remember when I first started going to nightclubs and I had to claw my way through a cloud of smoke to reach the bar. Not to mention the smell off your clothes the following morning.

Cienciano

Super-Rush wrote: »

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What a cop out! Yes, the name was very misleading, everyone thought it was actually Fergie posting :rolleyes:
Booo! You should have to change your name to "Baakkk, bok bok" for the rest of the year. Although, that's impersonating a chicken, so probably against the "rules"

Fighting Irish

This won't play for me on the rte player, anyone having this problem too?

http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10108774/

Precious flower

I'm only 19 but I've never been one for crazy drinking, I'd have two pints on a night out (which is rare enough in itself) and that would be it. However, a friend recently pointed out to me the reason I don't go out much is I've never been proper drunk and so never enjoyed it but I would if I was.
She also asked what's the point of having two Bulmers if I wasn't going to get drunk, why not just have a soft drink which I suppose is fair enough, but I like the taste I just don't feel comfortable with getting completely blitzed.
It's a big problem though that their is little alternative for people who don't drink or who are not interested in night clubs or that. I think there should be more kind of cafes where you can drink but that sell decent cheap food at night. I think that would make people pace themselves a lot more.

Daveysil15

Precious flower wrote: »

I'm only 19 but I've never been one for crazy drinking, I'd have two pints on a night out (which is rare enough in itself) and that would be it. However, a friend recently pointed out to me the reason I don't go out much is I've never been proper drunk and so never enjoyed it but I would if I was.
She also asked what's the point of having two Bulmers if I wasn't going to get drunk, why not just have a soft drink which I suppose is fair enough, but I like the taste I just don't feel comfortable with getting completely blitzed.
It's a big problem though that their is little alternative for people who don't drink or who are not interested in night clubs or that. I think there should be more kind of cafes where you can drink but that sell decent cheap food at night. I think that would make people pace themselves a lot more.

I don't think the cafe thing would work here as people would still have the same attitude towards alcohol. You're right though, there is little alternative for those who don't drink. What annoys me is that if you go out and only have a couple of drinks, some people will look at you and think you're every bit as odd as those who don't drink at all.

I was in the same boat when I was your age. I simply wasn't able to drink that much and of course others think they're better than you because they can drink more. It's this competitive drinking that I find the most ridiculous.

Hande hoche!

So everyone excited about part two?