The Fall (RTE1/BBC2) [** Spoilers **]

brian_t

Deleted User wrote: »

The shows most interesting aspect is how we are introduced to the killer from the very start. It's an interesting approach and something that actually adds to the tension rather than reduce it.

Columbo certainly got great mileage from this approach.


In relation to where the title "The Fall" comes from.

This is the answer given on the official TheFallTV twitter a/c

The title was suggested to Allan from Paradise Lost by John Milton

lindascribbler

According to Gillian Anderson in Guardian, it's going to end on a cliffhanger...I know there's a second series but I had hoped it was going to be a new story. Can't believe Spector is going to get away with it & we have to wait for months to see him getting his comeuppance. Frustrating:mad:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

^ What I don't get though is that the promo for the last episode seems to show that they know who he is, so what will the second series be about? Him hiding in a shed somewhere for 5 episodes?

Pretzill

I'm still hanging in there despite the constant mirrored scenes which are overdone - and the unlikeable nature of anderson's role - at least Columbo was warm. I think it drags and there may have been a decent full length movie in this had the editor been allowed to cut out all the wasted scenes. Now there's series two?!

brian_t

Pretzill wrote: »

and the unlikeable nature of anderson's role -

On Sunday her ex said to her something like "You don't realise the effect you have on men".

I think that she is far too cold to have any effect on most men.

brian_t

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

so what will the second series be about?

Paul goes to prison and then his disturbed daughter will seek vengence and start to terrorize DCI Gibson.

Although I'm sure something similar happened in a previous Prime Suspect

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

brian_t wrote: »

Paul goes to prison and then his disturbed daughter will seek vengence and start to terrorize DCI Gibson.

Although I'm sure something similar happened in a previous Prime Suspect

What's she going to do? Break into her house and draw on her wall paper with crayons? Leave grubby finger prints all over her patio doors? The horror!!

jill_valentine

brian_t wrote: »

On Sunday her ex said to her something like "You don't realise the effect you have on men".

I think that she is far too cold to have any effect on most men.

I'm generally impressed with this show, for what it is, but that line stuck out like a sore thumb.

Although I do think it might not have been as painful from a different actor - my single biggest issue with the show to date remains his casting, I think his performance is wildly out of touch with the rest of the cast, and that makes every scene he's in hard work, his giant soap opera acting is hugely off putting. Everything is delivered with 110% melodramatic intensity, and it makes him come across like a drama queen Dunnes manager in over his head, rather than an experienced PSNI man worthy of his kind of rank.

It drives me mad, everybody else is going for Danish bleak-o-drama understatement, and he's bringing the full-bore Sunset Beach.

walshb

Anyone else think that the attack scene was very realsitic and upsetting. The actress played the part so well. You really could sense the terror and fear from her.

FouxDaFaFa

walshb wrote: »

Anyone else think that the attack scene was very realsitic and upsetting. The actress played the part so well. You really could sense the terror and fear from her.

Yes, it was very uncomfortable to watch.

I may be alone in this but I warmed to Gibson a lot in this episode. I think I understand her better. People keep complaining that she's not a warm person but she did more to help that officer who saw his colleague kill himself by being practical and efficient than giving him a hug or whatever.

She is very good at her job and to be at her rank she has to maintain that demeanour.

She even managed a few smiles this episode with the young police officer and the coroner. (Shocking!)

I agree with the previous poster about the actor who looks like Cantana. I find every scene with him in it jarring.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

^ I don't have a problem with her character being cold, it was more that it came across like she couldn't give a s**t about anything, like she was just phoning in her performance. I agree though that in the most recent episode she showed a few more signs of life and she's grown on me slightly .

I agree also about the last attack scene. I was full on convinced he wasn't going to do it once he heard the man's voice, but then he did them both! Shows he's losing control a bit and taking risks.

Mister R

Finally Gibson is coming across well, this episode made her.

In terms of the casting almost the entire N.I actors are oddly cast except Doran. Did they honestly expect us to believe that total plane Jane glorified extra was married to a hottie like Olsen and that she'd risk such a catch to screw that partner of his. Since she was essentially an extra and not even credited surely they could have cast someone believable.

The whole Olsen/Breedlove side storyline verges into soap territory the ridiculous inter-character affairs and the ridiculous looking escorts mixed with politics all break from the seriousness of the murders.

smcgiff

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I agree also about the last attack scene. I was full on convinced he wasn't going to do it once he heard the man's voice, but then he did them both! Shows he's losing control a bit and taking risks.

His first instinct was to run, but he was trapped and couldn't get away or became too excited. It showed him being very physically able.

Mister R

Seriously though wouldn't the guy after regaining consciousness called the police and been more subtle about attacking the intruder. Thats the one element of that scene I thought was very "hollywood" in how stupid the characters were in a dangerous situation.

smcgiff

Mister R wrote: »

Seriously though wouldn't the guy after regaining consciousness called the police and been more subtle about attacking the intruder. Thats the one element of that scene I thought was very "hollywood" in how stupid the characters were in a dangerous situation.

Thinking rationally that might have been the thing to do, but think about someone you care about 20 feet away being attacked, also you've just took a beating and are raging. Would you really take time out to phone 999? It's plausible to my mind.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Mister R wrote: »

Seriously though wouldn't the guy after regaining consciousness called the police and been more subtle about attacking the intruder. Thats the one element of that scene I thought was very "hollywood" in how stupid the characters were in a dangerous situation.

I had the same thought initially but then I did think in the heat of the moment it's believable that his first reaction would be to try to stop the attacker. I thought he should have kept quiet while doing it instead of roaring at him from the door before swinging for him. But again, heat of the moment and all that.

I agree with the poster a few back who mentioned the Olsen/Breadlove story being maybe unnecessary. Other than it leading to the scene where Gibson was super calm and dealt with the suicide like a pro I don't really see what it's added to the over all plot. Of course there's still one last episode so it's possible there's more to come.

Sittingpretty

smcgiff wrote: »

Thinking rationally that might have been the thing to do, but think about someone you care about 20 feet away being attacked, also you've just took a beating and are raging. Would you really take time out to phone 999? It's plausible to my mind.

Maybe not but you might take the time to arm yourself with more than your fists

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Sittingpretty wrote: »

Maybe not but you might take the time to arm yourself with more than your fists

Did he not have a bar, or a stick or something? I thought he was swinging something.

smcgiff

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Did he not have a bar, or a stick or something? I thought he was swinging something.

Looked like the leg off a table.

Sittingpretty

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Did he not have a bar, or a stick or something? I thought he was swinging something.

Oh did he? Apologies, I was certain he came with his hands hanging

Tipsy McSwagger

Viewing this on Netflix and I cant stop laughing at how bad it is when I'm watching it. I'm watching Luther too and it's so much better.

Basq

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I'm watching Luther too and it's so much better.

Luther is the daddy tbh.... one of the finest British TV dramas of the last few years IMO. Planning a rewatch shortly in preparation for new episodes this summer.

The Fall started off interesting.. but with one episode to go in the season, I'm really losing interest fast.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Viewing this on Netflix and I cant stop laughing at how bad it is when I'm watching it. I'm watching Luther too and it's so much better.

Come off it, it's hardly that bad. I get that some people don't like it and the various reasons they don't but I'd hardly call it laughable.

starlit

Will they catch him i wonder? Last episode was good but think it just bridging storylines of whats to come.

He went bit crazy with the two didnt think he kill the fella but how low he go just to do what he did i hope the girl be ok but his wife must be getting suspicous think the babysitter is too?

The letter he sent was a turning point in trying to get him to stay in contact and track him down only way is to set a trap for him?!

Next episode looks good in previews think the net is closing in on him.

Tipsy McSwagger

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Come off it, it's hardly that bad. I get that some people don't like it and the various reasons they don't but I'd hardly call it laughable.

I was actually looking forward to this and was delighted it showed up on Netflix. I finished the second episode last night and I found myself laughing at a few scenes, the wet babysitter seductively dancing and when she asked the far from scary killer to kiss her wrist better. Another scene which was ridiculous was when Gillian Anderson was examining the body with the sexy motorbike riding forensic lady. Anderson discovered that the victim was washed along with the bedclothes, nails were painted and her hair was cut while the forensic lady just looked on like she was the cop and not the bloody forensic expert who should be examining the body. Other things I didn't like were,

- stop the car I want to chat up that detective
- killer in the park sitting beside future victim and conveniently hears that she hasn't changed the locks
- Anderson's accent is too forced
- the killer is way better looking than his wife and they don't look like a married couple (shallow but true)
- wife leaves husband at home with sexy babysitter
- it's boring with zero tension
- the killer is miscast, he isn't creepy at all, he's too serious all the time*

*I have read an awful lot about family men serial killers and they are charming, helpful, popular and normal to the people around them.

Ash.J.Williams

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I was actually looking forward to this and was delighted it showed up on Netflix. I finished the second episode last night and I found myself laughing at a few scenes, the wet babysitter seductively dancing and when she asked the far from scary killer to kiss her wrist better. Another scene which was ridiculous was when Gillian Anderson was examining the body with the sexy motorbike riding forensic lady. Anderson discovered that the victim was washed along with the bedclothes, nails were painted and her hair was cut while the forensic lady just looked on like she was the cop and not the bloody forensic expert who should be examining the body. Other things I didn't like were,

- stop the car I want to chat up that detective
- killer in the park sitting beside future victim and conveniently hears that she hasn't changed the locks
- Anderson's accent is too forced
- the killer is way better looking than his wife and they don't look like a married couple (shallow but true)
- wife leaves husband at home with sexy babysitter
- it's boring with zero tension
- the killer is miscast, he isn't creepy at all, he's too serious all the time*

*I have read an awful lot about family men serial killers and they are charming, helpful, popular and normal to the people around them.

for a start...her accent is fine ....she has lived in london for years!

syklops

I really must learn how to do multi-quote.

- stop the car I want to chat up that detective

That was to establish that she is forward sexually.

- killer in the park sitting beside future victim and conveniently hears that she hasn't changed the locks

It wasn't a coincidence she was in the park. The killer was stalking her.

- Anderson's accent is too forced

It sounds fine to me. I know people who have the same accent, who are british.

- the killer is way better looking than his wife and they don't look like a married couple (shallow but true)

Same could be said about Carla Bruni and Nicholas Sarkozy as well as hundreds of other couples.

- wife leaves husband at home with sexy babysitter

Wife was going to work. What would you suggest she do?

- it's boring with zero tension

The first episode is, but it does improve. A bit.

- the killer is miscast, he isn't creepy at all, he's too serious all the time

In fairness, he is pretty creepy.

*I have read an awful lot about family men serial killers and they are charming, helpful, popular and normal to the people around them.

That opinion would carry more weight if you said 'often'. Its true many have families, and many appear charming to the people around them, but many do not. Most of Fred West’s workmates found him creepy and crass

The Black Oil

If you think this show is poor, watch a few episodes of The Following.

syklops

The Black Oil wrote: »

If you think this show is poor, watch practically everything else on TV

FYP.

Seriously, the sheer lack of quality at the moment is ridiculous. I was flicking around last night, and there was very little on. Admittedly, I only have 16 channels but still.

Mister R

syklops wrote: »

That was to establish that she is forward sexually.

It was a ridiculously gratuitous way to do it, stopping the car to approach a randomer, had she done it in the police station it could be somewhat plausible, and the resulting sex scene was as sexy as a dead fish, so the whole thing then seemed pointless.

They can't seem to make her sexy at all, it looks so ridiculous that this type of woman is apparently so desirable to anyone in the PSNI.