The Fall (RTE1/BBC2) [** Spoilers **]

Lisha

Marje wrote: »

He called the baby by her name - Katie. Anyone know who she is?

I thought he said 'cutie'

Marje

Lisha wrote: »

I thought he said 'cutie'

Better get my hearing checked, thanks

The Black Oil

Stella still uses Win XP? For shame!

Who doesn't keep a murder related news clipping in their wallet?

toodleytoo

Ah here. Frigging rte crashed for me.

Marje

His protege is in training.

Disappointed that they didn't have any preview for next week,

bodhrandude

Gibson got a bit of a freak out in the end, was hoping for a lesbian scene but alas.

The Black Oil

2.03

First half was the inevitable 'filling in the blanks on Spector' thing. The rest maybe had a few leaps, but that's kinda in keeping with the show. I'm not sure how they were alerted to search where the phone case was - press conference tip off, perhaps? And I'm not sure how he stole the latest car he now has in a lock up. Since baby was in it before hand, perhaps the keys were, too? The bar scene with the pathologist - you could see some intimate contact coming, nice smack down of the sleazy lawyer, mind. Katie continues to be spectacularly naive, the webcam scene, creepy. Season two directing his obsession towards Stella makes sense given their arc, and the season one finale, imo. He has to undermine her, privately and publicly. That'll be his undoing, I suspect.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

The Black Oil wrote: »

2.03

First half was the inevitable 'filling in the blanks on Spector' thing. The rest maybe had a few leaps, but that's kinda in keeping with the show. I'm not sure how they were alerted to search where the phone case was - press conference tip off, perhaps? And I'm not sure how he stole the latest car he now has in a lock up. Since baby was in it before hand, perhaps the keys were, too?

At the morning meeting one of the uniform officers said they had traced the location the mobile call came from, the call Paul made at the end of last week's episode. That's how they knew to search there.

The baby was playing with the keys in the car. Obviously the mother had given her them to keep her occupied.

jezzer

I thought last nights episode was very poor, far too many omissions, so is spector not working any more? surely if the cops practically know he is the killer they would be checking why he was not at work and if not surely the wife would be a little more anxious? what is he doing for money? if he uses ATM cards surely they can track them, also what really bugged me, a car with the light off in the dark is approaching a crime scene and turns around, gibson is pretty sure its the killer yet doesnt decide to hop in the patrol car parked behind her and go after him, that was beyond stupid, also it was a bit too easy to get access into what looks like a 5 star hotel plus in such an establishment there would be cameras and security everywhere and the teenager, surely her mother must be wondering what in the name of high school football is going on with her daughter, very bad parenting...there are just too many omissions for it to be any way realistic, very disappointed with this years series, should have ended it last year

jezzer

johnpatrick81 wrote: »

Ah now, there is a big difference in a body not being found in a loft in a black bag etc compared to an investigation where one of the suspects isn't investigated "cos he seemed like a nice guy with a family!" or the ONE witness, which was specifically linked in the dozy front page report as the witness, going missing after her daughter spoke to an unusual man who called himself Peter, the same name the witness knew him as, at night in their house. And still the bearded idiot thinks she might have gone off randomly for milk.....

Seriously?!

Once more, I could go on. But for me this has lost the plot. I'm not even going into the stupidity of the Katie storyline or the wife or so many other things that are unravelling in this quickly approaching farce tale.

Yep, I fully agree, the show has gone from well made to a complete farce

The Black Oil

It's rarely worth analysing a show like this for realism. It's not The Wire, after all.

bazermc

The Black Oil wrote: »

It's rarely worth analysing a show like this for realism. It's not The Wire, after all.

You mean the Wire was real?

DeepBlue

The Black Oil wrote: »

It's rarely worth analysing a show like this for realism.

That's true enough but to enjoy a show you have to suspend disbelief and if the producers make it so hard to do that then your enjoyment of the show is going to suffer.

The sequence whereby staff in Gibson's hotel make it super easy for Spector to get in, get a master key card, have time to check through the room service menus to find Gibson's room number etc would cause most people to roll their eyes.
I mean I know it's meant to be a five star hotel with exemplary customer service and all but Spector isn't even a guest. :pac:

Dan Chipowski

Totally agree with the above comments re this series being farcical.

It's all over the place.

jezzer

Yes of course realism isnt going to completely come into it but for the show to have any sort of credibility, especially something as dark as this, it needs to be a little more realistic, i mean come on, walking into the hotel and finding out the exact room gibson is in and casually walking up to her room and letting himself in is just plain stupid, it could never happen in a million years, but the bit that really annoyed me was spector approaching the crime scene in a vehicle in the dark with no lights on and then turns around, come on, even the doziest cop in the world would have chased him up the road instead of trying to make out the reg like an idiot, from a good 700 yards i might add.
But when a show starts taking these sort of liberties it just becomes stupid and makes me think i wouldn't be too bothered with it any more, i mean spector is on the run apparently, obviously isnt turning up for work, no reference as to what he is doing for money, surely the wife must be wondering wtf is going on here? the situation with the young one is just stupid, oh i happen to have a paper cutout relating to the murders in my wallet...is spector not bothering to see the kids now? also the situation with gibsons diary, oh the shock, spector read it....why would you leave a personal diary lying around a hotel room where the cleaning staff can have a good read of it??? plus gibson meets her pal for a drink and almost lez off but dont worry the deputy chief decides to call around p*ssed and mad for a tip.....its farcical to say the least, the characters are no longer credible, the writing and relation to realism is p*ss poor and the storyline is just gone, i am disappointed because last season was so good, so well written with good strong characters, then the whole thing turns to s*ite, terrible stuff...

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Once again I don't get people's problems with this show.

Has it even been a week since he got back from Scotland? He's staying in some run down hole of a hotel, probably using cash so can't be trace. He went to Scotland with the intention of staying away so it's not so hard to believe he may have taken some ready cash with him.

Last night's episode started an hour or two after the last episode ended. So they've had his name for at most 2 days by the end of last night. They also have no solid proof to link him to anything other than the sheers they found in the lake. Katie provided him with an alibi for the night they thought they had him, so all in all they've very little to go on.

Stella watched the car until it was clear it was turning around and then she sent a patrol car after it. What would she have done if she had ran after him or even caught him? As I said above they've no solid proof to tie him to anything yet so he refuses to answer their questions for 24 hours and then they have to release him again.

I thought it was obvious that Katie's mother was useless. Even last year she was able to stay at the Specter's until 3am and then arrive home no questions asked, he was able to show up in her house and spend time with her in her room without the mother even batting an eye. She's obviously got her own issues going on which make him attractive to her. No father figure in her own life, a misguided idea about romance or love or whatever. Again not that unbelievable.

I will agree his strolling into the Merchant Hotel like that was a bit far fetched. Her using room service to order tea was what really made it weird though. Just use the kettle in your room, Stella!

Tea incident aside I don't have any problems with anything.

jezzer

Tickle, you have made some good points, certainly regarding katie's mother being useless and they referenced the father dying which would account for kaites weird actions and the mother not giving a flying f*ck...

Good point regarding using cash, but regarding katies alibi, that surely is now cast aside after the cops found her breaking into spectors home, surely they now piece together that spector has her working for him, although i'm not sure why he got her to do the break in and the pic in his bathroom?

Regarding the car turning around, no, she only sent the patrol car after it when she had them run a check on the reg, way to late obviously, seriously any cop worth their salt would be straight after a car which does a u-turn when approaching a crime scene.

I disagree that they have very little to go on, surely they can use voice recognition from the phone calls he made to gibson and the interview he did, also they know he is/was peter who know rose, he has a dubious alibi from katie who was seen breaking into spectors house

paulbok

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Once again I don't get people's problems with this show.

Has it even been a week since he got back from Scotland? He's staying in some run down hole of a hotel, probably using cash so can't be trace. He went to Scotland with the intention of staying away so it's not so hard to believe he may have taken some ready cash with him.

Last night's episode started an hour or two after the last episode ended. So they've had his name for at most 2 days by the end of last night. They also have no solid proof to link him to anything other than the sheers they found in the lake. Katie provided him with an alibi for the night they thought they had him, so all in all they've very little to go on.

Stella watched the car until it was clear it was turning around and then she sent a patrol car after it. What would she have done if she had ran after him or even caught him? As I said above they've no solid proof to tie him to anything yet so he refuses to answer their questions for 24 hours and then they have to release him again.

I thought it was obvious that Katie's mother was useless. Even last year she was able to stay at the Specter's until 3am and then arrive home no questions asked, he was able to show up in her house and spend time with her in her room without the mother even batting an eye. She's obviously got her own issues going on which make him attractive to her. No father figure in her own life, a misguided idea about romance or love or whatever. Again not that unbelievable.

I will agree his strolling into the Merchant Hotel like that was a bit far fetched. Her using room service to order tea was what really made it weird though. Just use the kettle in your room, Stella!

Tea incident aside I don't have any problems with anything.

Have you ever tried making tea with the kettle in a hotel room?
Half them smell of burned plastic because they have been switched on at some stage with no water in them. Then you have the UHT milk, tippex would taste nicer. She doesn't have to pay for the room service so above all that was wrong with the hotel scenes (Spector is now Jason Bourne, sauntering into the hoel kitchen, knowing where to find the room numbers and hacking her police laptop), the tea isn't one.

AnonoBoy

jezzer wrote: »

Yes of course realism isnt going to completely come into it but for the show to have any sort of credibility, especially something as dark as this, it needs to be a little more realistic, i mean come on, walking into the hotel and finding out the exact room gibson is in and casually walking up to her room and letting himself in is just plain stupid, it could never happen in a million years, but the bit that really annoyed me was spector approaching the crime scene in a vehicle in the dark with no lights on and then turns around, come on, even the doziest cop in the world would have chased him up the road instead of trying to make out the reg like an idiot, from a good 700 yards i might add.
But when a show starts taking these sort of liberties it just becomes stupid and makes me think i wouldn't be too bothered with it any more, i mean spector is on the run apparently, obviously isnt turning up for work, no reference as to what he is doing for money, surely the wife must be wondering wtf is going on here? the situation with the young one is just stupid, oh i happen to have a paper cutout relating to the murders in my wallet...is spector not bothering to see the kids now? also the situation with gibsons diary, oh the shock, spector read it....why would you leave a personal diary lying around a hotel room where the cleaning staff can have a good read of it??? plus gibson meets her pal for a drink and almost lez off but dont worry the deputy chief decides to call around p*ssed and mad for a tip.....its farcical to say the least, the characters are no longer credible, the writing and relation to realism is p*ss poor and the storyline is just gone, i am disappointed because last season was so good, so well written with good strong characters, then the whole thing turns to s*ite, terrible stuff...

No paragraphs in the show either which is annoying.

The hotel thing - he checked the kitchens for room service orders which had her number on it. He didn't just find it by wandering around the corridors, also did it not show him picking up a keycard in the kitchens?

A little convenient alright but not something that "could never happen in a million years."

jezzer

AnonoBoy wrote: »

No paragraphs in the show either which is annoying.

The hotel thing - he checked the kitchens for room service orders which had her number on it. He didn't just find it by wandering around the corridors, also did it not show him picking up a keycard in the kitchens?

A little convenient alright but not something that "could never happen in a million years."

Oh yea, because a busy hotel is never ever manned in the kitchen......and its always so easy to find where the room service orders are kept and i'm sure five star hotel staff always make sure to leave key cards hanging about and of course the security would never see a guy in a hood roaming about the place....it was the worst piece of television i've seen in a long time...

AnonoBoy

jezzer wrote: »

Oh yea, because a busy hotel is never ever manned in the kitchen......and its always so easy to find where the room service orders are kept and i'm sure five star hotel staff always make sure to leave key cards hanging about and of course the security would never see a guy in a hood roaming about the place....it was the worst piece of television i've seen in a long time...

If that's the worst piece of television you've seen in a long time you're very lucky.

jezzer

well i dont tend to watch a lot of tv in fairness but i watched the fall because series 1 was well made tv, this season has just become dragged out and farcical to be honest

cloudatlas

Ive just finished season 1. When I was watching it for the first two episodes I was comparing Stella with Detective Sarah Lund and Jane Tennison but I think Gillian Anderson has really come into her own bit by bit.

Jamie Dornan's character has shades of Robert Harris's Red Dragon.

Strongbow10

Dornan is a dreadful actor, but seems to have found a genre for himself between this and 50 shades of grey.

sabat

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Her using room service to order tea was what really made it weird though. Just use the kettle in your room, Stella!

Tea incident aside I don't have any problems with anything.

Could we see a kettle in the room? Most 5 star hotels don't have them.

AnonoBoy

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Dornan is a dreadful actor, but seems to have found a genre for himself between this and 50 shades of grey.

Was just talking about this the other day.

He gets by on the one intense look he does (and of course his good looks) but I don't think he's got much range.

starlit

His characters fit between each other. I've not read the book but based on the trailer of the film he play the character of Grey well.

Saint Sonner

Is this on RTE Player?

Agent Coulson

Saint Sonner wrote: »

Is this on RTE Player?

Yes.

cloudatlas

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Was just talking about this the other day.

He gets by on the one intense look he does (and of course his good looks) but I don't think he's got much range.

Well we don't know that, he hasn't been given the opportunity to play anything other than intense psychotic loners.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

sabat wrote: »

Could we see a kettle in the room? Most 5 star hotels don't have them.

The Merchant Hotel has Tea/Coffee facilities in all it's rooms.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

jezzer wrote: »

Good point regarding using cash, but regarding katies alibi, that surely is now cast aside after the cops found her breaking into spectors home, surely they now piece together that spector has her working for him, although i'm not sure why he got her to do the break in and the pic in his bathroom?

Regarding the car turning around, no, she only sent the patrol car after it when she had them run a check on the reg, way to late obviously, seriously any cop worth their salt would be straight after a car which does a u-turn when approaching a crime scene.

I disagree that they have very little to go on, surely they can use voice recognition from the phone calls he made to gibson and the interview he did, also they know he is/was peter who know rose, he has a dubious alibi from katie who was seen breaking into spectors house

I'm pretty sure he sent her to break into his house for 2 reasons. 1 - So the police would phone Gibson and keep her out of her room. 2 - If she was caught she could be written off as an obsessed weirdo and even if she told them anything to incriminate him it could be argued away as her being a bit of a freak.

I'd have to watch it again but I think the patrol car came back to her as she was telling the other officer to check if any cars had been stolen. So it was all happening at once.

I'm not saying they have nothing to go on but all of their evidence so far could be thrown into doubt by a half decent lawyer.

AnonoBoy

cloudatlas wrote: »

Well we don't know that, he hasn't been given the opportunity to play anything other than intense psychotic loners.

True. I am speculating without having seen him in anything else.

Has anyone seen him in that Once Upon a Time series he was in?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

AnonoBoy wrote: »

True. I am speculating without having seen him in anything else.

Has anyone seen him in that Once Upon a Time series he was in?

I saw him in Once Upon A Time. He was alright. The character wasn't given much to do and was only in about 7 episodes before they killed him off. Played a much nicer character, believably, but as I said wasn't given much to do.

Strongbow10

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I saw him in Once Upon A Time. He was alright. The character wasn't given much to do and was only in about 7 episodes before they killed him off. Played a much nicer character, believably, but as I said wasn't given much to do.

He is male model turned actor I believe

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Strongbow10 wrote: »

He is male model turned actor I believe

I think he was actually pursuing acting when he was spotted as a model. He did initially have success as a model though.

AnonoBoy

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I think he was actually pursuing acting when he was spotted as a model. He did initially have success as a model though.

He's only gawjus so he is.

Dub.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he sent her to break into his house for 2 reasons. 1 - So the police would phone Gibson and keep her out of her room. .

Why would the police phoning Stella keep her away from her room?

The Black Oil

bazermc wrote: »

You mean the Wire was real?

Well, no, but it's often praised for its apparent depiction of realism and being partly based on real characters. But enough, I've dug myself into a hole on that one. :pac:

Re not pursuing him as he approached the site they were searching - this isn't a show that relies on the police 'tooling up' or instantaneous forensic bollocks to catch him. How long might have taken for a uniformed officer to to jump into the patrol car and give chase? I don't know. I don't imagine the keys are left in the ignition as a general rule. I think heart of that scene was really what Paul verbalised once he started turning the car - 'fcuk you, Stella', and this is what drove (excuse the pun) the rest of the ep. I agree there's no harm in questioning the apparent lack of reaction, however.

With the hotel, this is a fairly standard tactic of contemporary murder or drama shows. Recent Nordic noir imports such as The Killing, The Bridge all have elements that are perhaps a bit OTT in some regard, and that's not unusual. It falls into the he's right behind you thing. If we want to get into more farfetched shows then 24 has moles, ease of access to restricted sites despite protocols and procedures, all that lark. Not to say this is cut from that cloth.

I would presume he's a few quid kept somewhere as he's trying to stay off the radar. UHT milk? Obligatory Father Ted reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBwwcU2c3u4

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Dub. wrote: »

Why would the police phoning Stella keep her away from her room?

Well if they thought it was him or there was something happening they would call her and she may be inclined to head down there. Maybe he was hoping Katie would get caught again causing Stella to be away from the hotel. Just spit balling there.

Hrududu

I think your second theory is probably more likely. He knows the cops will be watching his house. If she turns on him later he can now say she was an obsessed stalker who'll say anything.

jezzer

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Dornan is a dreadful actor, but seems to have found a genre for himself between this and 50 shades of grey.

Yes i tend to agree, not a lot of acting required for his role in the fall

jezzer

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he sent her to break into his house for 2 reasons. 1 - So the police would phone Gibson and keep her out of her room. 2 - If she was caught she could be written off as an obsessed weirdo and even if she told them anything to incriminate him it could be argued away as her being a bit of a freak.

I'd have to watch it again but I think the patrol car came back to her as she was telling the other officer to check if any cars had been stolen. So it was all happening at once.

I'm not saying they have nothing to go on but all of their evidence so far could be thrown into doubt by a half decent lawyer.

Yes good and relevant points regarding getting katie to break in

regarding evidence yes it is possible that a good lawyer could get him off however i suspect the girl in the hospital will get her memory back and give evidence against him

regarding the scene where he drove off, no way, if a cop ever saw somebody approach a crime scene and then turn around they would be up their ass in seconds...

Saint Sonner

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Yes.

For Some Reason I can get it on the ipad but its not showing up on the app on the smart TV!

The Black Oil

Saint Sonner wrote: »

For Some Reason I can get it on the ipad but its not showing up on the app on the smart TV!

You're likely out of luck here, I'm afraid. This is what they said when I asked about Xbox access.

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In the meantime you can catch-up with the latest episode on the desktop Player

We hope you find this helpful and enjoy using the RTÉ Player.

Kind regards,

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jezzer

The Black Oil wrote: »

Well, no, but it's often praised for its apparent depiction of realism and being partly based on real characters. But enough, I've dug myself into a hole on that one. :pac:

Re not pursuing him as he approached the site they were searching - this isn't a show that relies on the police 'tooling up' or instantaneous forensic bollocks to catch him. How long might have taken for a uniformed officer to to jump into the patrol car and give chase? I don't know. I don't imagine the keys are left in the ignition as a general rule. I think heart of that scene was really what Paul verbalised once he started turning the car - 'fcuk you, Stella', and this is what drove (excuse the pun) the rest of the ep. I agree there's no harm in questioning the apparent lack of reaction, however.

With the hotel, this is a fairly standard tactic of contemporary murder or drama shows. Recent Nordic noir imports such as The Killing, The Bridge all have elements that are perhaps a bit OTT in some regard, and that's not unusual. It falls into the he's right behind you thing. If we want to get into more farfetched shows then 24 has moles, ease of access to restricted sites despite protocols and procedures, all that lark. Not to say this is cut from that cloth.

I would presume he's a few quid kept somewhere as he's trying to stay off the radar. UHT milk? Obligatory Father Ted reference.

Yes true the hotel scene was far fetched and stupid to say the least but i guess i could get over that in a way as it was a very over exaggerated way of getting spector into gibsons room, however i just wont accept anything other that the scene where he drove away from the crime scene as beyond stupid, a patrol car can be up someones ass in a matter of seconds, no doubt about that, cops always always go straight after anybody they see acting suspiciously in a car, its their specialty, you will see it at crime scenes, checkpoints and in regular driving, there was a patrol car parked directly behind gibson all she had to do was shout and they would have had him, a very stupid scene as it was played out.

Dan_Solo

This series is getting a bit out of hand, though it's still entertaining enough.
I know he still has a hostage (though I'm not sure what exactly convinced them she was still alive?) but Spector is still wandering about Belfast without a care in the world. Surely it was time to have his face plastered around every media outlet as soon as they had it?

Dan_Solo

Hrududu wrote: »

I think your second theory is probably more likely. He knows the cops will be watching his house. If she turns on him later he can now say she was an obsessed stalker who'll say anything.

This bugged me immensely. Gibson was convinced immediately that Katie was covering for Spector. Why didn't she have her tailed right there?

jezzer

Dan_Solo wrote: »

This bugged me immensely. Gibson was convinced immediately that Katie was covering for Spector. Why didn't she have her tailed right there?

Excellent point, that would have led them straight to spector, they are making a p*ss poor job of tracking him down

plus the other point which was made, belfast is a small enough city, it wouldnt be terribly difficult to track spector down by making a few enquiries, if i was the family of rose who is missing i would be going ape at the cops for their stupidity and ineptness, firstly for putting her in danger in the first place then secondly for making a b*llocks of finding spector, i could see a potential laws suit over the cops negligence there, i know cops can be pure useless at the best of times but this is farcical and we are led to believe gibson was brought in from the met as some sort of expert??? all she is doing is lapping it up in a 5 star hotel on a good holiday at the tax payers expense, i also though bringing a relationship between the indian professor and roses husband into it was stupid and as much as i would have liked to see the indian professor and gibson lez up, it was another stupid situation to add to the mix, gibson is a high profile cop in belfast to track a killer and she decided to lez up in front of everybody....serious lack of professionalism there, the show is gone to sh*te really...credibility gone.

The Black Oil

Well, all we can do at this stage, whether the show has merits or not, is to keep yapping about it. If it's provoking a reaction that's more than some shows manage. Roll on the denouement.