Is there anything you believe in that does not have proof ?

Branch Meeting

Normal, rational, intelligent, and properly educated people don't believe in God.

Is there anything you believe in that does not have proof, or to put it another way, what do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it ?

Insect Overlord

Branch Meeting wrote: »

Normal, rational, intelligent, and properly educated people don't believe in God.

Wrong on all counts.

eyescreamcone

I have no evidence to support my view that soon Liverpool will win Premierships and Champions Leagues again

celticcrash

Aliens, billions of Aliens from billions of planets.

eyescreamcone

celticcrash wrote: »

Aliens, billions of Aliens from billions of planets.

No evidence - but possible in my opinion.
If life can survive on one planet why not on more??

Muppet Man

Me. It's unfathomable to think how I got here. Typing on my iPad, all from a Big Bang .

Branch Meeting

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Wrong on all counts.

Christianity forum >>>> thataway

Insect Overlord

Branch Meeting wrote: »

Christianity forum >>>> thataway

I'm an atheist. Why would I want to go posting there?

Insect Overlord

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Wrong on all counts.

Not quite.


Anyway, yeah, I'm sure that someday I'll trick a woman into loving me. It hasn't happened yet and will only be provable retrospectively but I believe it'll happen.

juan.kerr

The Bermuda triangle?

smcgiff

Back on topic - has to be E.T.s - thankfully probably too far away to interfere with us if discovering humans are anything to go by.

Silvio.Dante

Branch Meeting wrote: »

Normal, rational, intelligent, and properly educated people don't believe in God.

Thank you for re-educating us her Goebbels...

pauldla

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Thank you for re-educating us Herr Goebbels...

FYP

All part of the service.

Popinjay

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Thank you for re-educating us her Goebbels...

What does she gobble?

Get your mind out of the gutter Silvio. People are trying to have a reasonable conversation here.

kiffer

That yesterday happened?

bnt

Branch Meeting wrote: »

Normal, rational, intelligent, and properly educated people don't believe in God.

Oh, look, another fishing expedition. Atheists have beliefs, so atheism is equivalent to religion? Not so fast. :rolleyes:

This question is vague because the word "believe" is so vague. There are things that I think are probably true - such as the existence of life around other stars. But there's a huge ontological gap between that and "bnt Believes in aliens". I don't Believe (with a capital in them, in anything remotely approaching the intensity or absolutism of religious belief. If I'm wrong ... meh.

I can say the same about Evolution: I think it's correct because it's the explanation that not only fits the existing evidence, but which has a track record of successful predictions, such as the Tiktaalik. If it's ever found to be wrong, it won't be on the word of some "authority", it will be on the basis of new evidence - and that can only be a good thing. It won't bother me in the slightest, because I don't Believe in Evolution the way Christians are required to believe in the contents of the Apostle's Creed.

So, if you're going look to atheists to justify your own irrationality, be wary of vague words such as "believe". They don't mean the same thing to everyone everywhere.

Duggys Housemate

The multiverse. Which is, by definition, unprovable.

MrPudding

Popinjay wrote: »

On topic, I am still convinced of the essential goodness of the vast majority of humanity.

Also aliens.

Bah. You beat me to it. Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, I believe that humans are basically good.

MrP

Just Like Heaven

Yeah voted no, but aliens.

Kidchameleon

Atheism

I believe there is no god but I have no proof.

Just Like Heaven

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Atheism

I believe there is no god but I have no proof.

Sure with that logic you could believe in unicorns. At least there's sightings of them all over youtube.

the culture of deference

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

The multiverse. Which is, by definition, unprovable.

Yea the multiverse and aliens.

TRUECRISTIAN wrote: »

free gift you can receive, called SALVATION.

Is it really free?

TRUECRISTIAN wrote: »

You have to believe with all your heart that God sacrificed his only begotten Son Jesus Christ for all our sins.

This cracks me up. Isn't god and jebus the same thing?

The scary thing is this fcuking planet is full of deluded nutbags who see nothing wrong in this.

TRUECRISTIAN wrote: »

If you choose to remain ignorant lost soul, enjoy your life in hell.

True christian forgiveness right there.

Zombrex

Branch Meeting wrote: »

what do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it ?

I cannot prove anything I believe about reality is true.

I can only support it on a sliding scale of accurate. I guess what you are asking is there anything I believe that I rationally know I probably shouldn't given the lack of support.

Can't think of anything at the moment.

Branch Meeting

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Thank you for re-educating us hairy Goebbels...

No problem, anytime.

FYP as I prefer that title.

sealgaire

Branch Meeting wrote: »

Normal, rational, intelligent, and properly educated people don't believe in God.

Is there anything you believe in that does not have proof, or to put it another way, what do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it ?

You believe in evolution so...?

Insect Overlord

Deleted User wrote: »

Not quite.


Anyway, yeah, I'm sure that someday I'll trick a woman into loving me. It hasn't happened yet and will only be provable retrospectively but I believe it'll happen.

There are plenty of normal, intelligent, educated, and (usually) rational people who believe in silly things. It's sad but true.

riffmongous

Why all the believe in the multiverse?

Sephiroth_dude

eyescreamcone wrote: »

I have no evidence to support my view that soon Liverpool will win Premierships and Champions Leagues again

Harah

the culture of deference

riffmongous wrote: »

Why all the believe in the multiverse?

2,500 thousand years ago earth was the known centre of the universe.

Then we saw other planets. Then we realised we were in a solar system, then we realised we were in a galaxy, then we realised we were in a universe

riffmongous

the culture of deference wrote: »

2,500 thousand years ago earth was the known centre of the universe.

Then we saw other planets. Then we realised we were in a solar system, then we realised we were in a galaxy, then we realised we were in a universe

And whats greater than a multiverse?

Branch Meeting

sealgaire wrote: »

You believe in evolution so...?

Its the best current scientific explanation of how we got here. If you've got a better one, present it.

Duggys Housemate

riffmongous wrote: »

And whats greater than a multiverse?

It's multiverses all the way down.

Branch Meeting

riffmongous wrote: »

Why all the believe in the multiverse?

Its called science of the gaps :pac:

smcgiff

riffmongous wrote: »

And whats greater than a multiverse?

Chuck Norris :cool:

kylith

I believe that it'll all turn out alright in the end.

eviltwin

Aliens

hollster2

ill probably be ripped to shreads in here for this but bigfoot some of the youtube videos ive seen are brilliant and some are totally ridiculous i believe there out there.

Branch Meeting

I believe my loved ones love me, they say and act so, but can I prove it in the mechanical detached scientifically sound way ? Nah.

Also I believe Fish and Chips tastes better than Chicken Curry and Rice

So I guess I do believe some things I cannot prove after all. Anyways opinion is belief, otherwise it would be fact, not opinion.

riffmongous

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

It's multiverses all the way down.

It seems to me to be no better than a lot of the proposals for the existence of gods except they used some fancier maths :rolleyes:

Bertie Woot

Branch Meeting wrote: »

Normal, rational, intelligent, and properly educated people don't believe in God.

Is there anything you believe in that does not have proof, or to put it another way, what do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it ?

The very definition of belief entails that what you believe in does not have to exist. If you can prove something exists, take God for example, then you can stop believing in God, as you no longer have to, as you know for sure that he or it exists.

And many educated people do believe in God.

Just Like Heaven

Bertie Woot wrote: »

And many educated people do believe in God.

The OP specified 'properly' educated for that reason.

baalthor

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

The multiverse. Which is, by definition, unprovable.

People are working on this ...

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=4iGEARcV8ds&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4iGEARcV8ds

SeanW

Silvio.Dante wrote: »

Thank you for re-educating us her Goebbels...

Only 12 posts for an invocation of Godwins Law?

mohawk

fewtinsoffroth wrote: »

Sure with that logic you could believe in unicorns. At least there's sightings of them all over youtube.

I really hope your not insinuating that unicorns don't exist. Next you will be saying that the Easter Bunny and Santa don't exist.

Zamboni

Abiogenesis

Canis Lupus

riffmongous wrote: »

And whats greater than a multiverse?

Leelu Dallas' multipass.

Branch Meeting

SeanW wrote: »

Only 12 posts for an invocation of Godwins Law

I'm always amused that people fall for this internet meme where memory of the Nazis, and what they did, must be airbrushed from history, and now its even illegal to even mention them or what they did, or that it was wrong, or compare any act to theirs. What a strange world we now live in.

SeanW

Branch Meeting wrote: »

I'm always amused that people fall for this internet meme where memory of the Nazis, and what they did, must be airbrushed from history, and now its even illegal to even mention them or what they did, or that it was wrong, or compare any act to theirs. What a strange world we now live in.

First bolded point, it's quite the opposite, Godwins Law is designed to ensure we do not cheapen the gravity of the Nazis actions by throwing terms like "Nazi" liberally or disagreeing with someone by yelling "Hitler" or something for a trivial reason.

Godwins Law does not apply when you're discussing actual Nazis, something related to actual Nazis, or where there's a good reason for using "Hitler" "Goebells" "Nazi" etc.

From what I could see there was nothing Nazi-esque about your OP so I consider the response by Silvio Dante to be a violation of Godwins Law. Ergo tha cat pic.

On the other hand, if your OP was "Jews/Blacks (insert non-Aryan group here) are vermin and we'd be better off without them" then it would be approproate to respond with "Tell us more, dear Adolf."

Branch Meeting

Get a life. If anyone wants to mention the word Nazi in a sentance they are free to do so without you playing little made up huffy internet meme games.

SeanW

Branch Meeting wrote: »

Get a life.

Wow that's really mature :cool:

If anyone wants to mention the word Nazi in a sentance they are free to do so without you playing little made up huffy internet meme games.

As you point out, free speech and all, people are free to make stupid "Reductio Ad Nazium" points. Correct. However it also true that others have the right to point this out.

Brian Shanahan

bnt wrote: »

This question is vague because the word "believe" is so vague. There are things that I think are probably true - such as the existence of life around other stars. But there's a huge ontological gap between that and "bnt Believes in aliens". I don't Believe (with a capital in them, in anything remotely approaching the intensity or absolutism of religious belief. If I'm wrong ... meh.

A general belief that life exists in places other than the Sol system, at this stage, is little more than looking at the available evidence and taking an educated guess based on the balance of probablilities. The evidence isn't persuasive either way, but what we know, e.g. the number of stars, and the percentage of same close enough to be able to spot orbiting planets which show orbiting planted, is indicative that there is a good chance of life existing.

It is more akin to when a cricket coach and captain assign batting order based on run rates and players' past performance at different positions in that order (e.g. your highest scorer might be brilliant at 5 but can't handle the pressure of being first). They make an educated guess on available evidence which may be wrong, but if done properly is more likely to be right.

Those who believe in little grey men, gang-probing half of America on the other hand...