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  • 10-02-2013 12:32pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭


    My electric shower is losing power and heat .
    its 8 years old. Is it fecked ? :/

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    greenspurs wrote: »
    My electric shower is losing power and heat .
    its 8 years old. Is it fecked ? :/
    hard water area?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    yes... quite bad ...

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    greenspurs wrote: »
    yes... quite bad ...
    I'm surprised your shower lasted 8 years so. Change shower and install a water Softner is your best bet


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    ££$$$ ......
    any cheaper options ? :/

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    greenspurs wrote: »
    ££$$$ ......
    any cheaper options ? :/
    Maybe just change the element in the shower but that's just putting off the inevitable


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    greenspurs wrote: »
    My electric shower is losing power and heat .
    its 8 years old. Is it fecked ? :/

    You have not given a clear description of exactly whats happening. Losing power and heat? In that description, what are you referring to as power?

    Hard water causing limescale will show itself in the early stages with an electric shower being too hot, and eventually with it cycling between too hot, and then cold.

    Is it suddenly going cooler/cold during use? Or has it in the last while just not heated fully or at all?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Dtp79 wrote: »
    Maybe just change the element in the shower but that's just putting off the inevitable

    Without even confirming an element is gone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,158 ✭✭✭✭hufpc8w3adnk65


    What model of triton shower is it?

    If i rang a garage tommorow and said my car wont work is it goosed theyd laugh at me!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    Bruthal wrote: »

    Without even confirming an element is gone?
    That's why I said " maybe "


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Bruthal wrote: »
    You have not given a clear description of exactly whats happening. Losing power and heat? In that description, what are you referring to as power?

    Hard water causing limescale will show itself in the early stages with an electric shower being too hot, and eventually with it cycling between too hot, and then cold.

    Is it suddenly going cooler/cold during use? Or has it in the last while just not heated fully or at all?

    Its losing power as in.. water power/pressure. Water not shooting out as powerful as it was/should.
    And you are right, It was alternating between hold and cold during a shower, but now it just isnt getting the water up to a hot temp.

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    MrMac84 wrote: »
    What model of triton shower is it?

    If i rang a garage tommorow and said my car wont work is it goosed theyd laugh at me!

    Does it really matter what model? I was asking a general question about electric showers, i didnt think the exact model would be crucial to a remedy !!!
    If you read the op youd see the shower is working ... just not properly...

    but thanks for the childish attempt at wit.... No adult supervising you ?.....

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    greenspurs wrote: »
    Its losing power as in.. water power/pressure. Water not shooting out as powerful as it was/should.
    And you are right, It was alternating between hold and cold during a shower, but now it just isnt getting the water up to a hot temp.

    Have you turned the temperature all the way to the colder end of the dial? That will increase flow and indicate if the flow rate is ok.

    When a shower is not heating up enough, the user will tend to turn it toward the hotter end, which reduces flow. That is how a shower increases the temperature when the dial is turned up to a higher temp.

    So the indications are that an element is not coming on. There are 2 sections to the element. One half may have failed, or connection gone bad, or failure of the overheat stat.

    Limescale restricting the flow causes showers to be too hot.

    One element half not coming on causes the shower to be too cold, and the user reduces flow due to turning the dial to the hotter position.

    Extremely reduced flow due to scale in the heating tank can cause the pressure switch not to bring on the elements at all.

    It is hard to say exactly whats wrong without knowing how the flow is when the temp is set to coolest on the temperature adjust dial, although very simple to find with a few tests at the shower for someone with any understanding of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,486 ✭✭✭✭greenspurs


    Thanks for the help...
    The element was replaced in the hot water tank in the last year,
    but i guess you mean there are elements in the shower itself (im not in the know :P )
    could i change them myself ? And how would i check them ?

    "Bright lights and Thunder .................... " #NoPopcorn



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    greenspurs wrote: »
    Thanks for the help...
    The element was replaced in the hot water tank in the last year,
    but i guess you mean there are elements in the shower itself (im not in the know :P )
    could i change them myself ? And how would i check them ?

    For an 8 year old shower, if elements are gone in its heating tank, id get a new shower. They may not be gone though. There are a few other things that can stop them working. But you would need someone reasonable familiar with the workings of an electric shower to find what is actually wrong. That can be ascertained in a couple of minutes by such a person.

    The filter is another place worth looking, if it is clogged.

    If it is a hard water area, it is likely this has caused problems for the shower which may now have other problems as well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    If I was a gambler and had to guess, id say bad limescale caused heat cycling, and the overheat stat, or an element has now failed. If it was a stat, that could be replaced, and the shower de-scaled. But thats not a simple task either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,158 ✭✭✭✭hufpc8w3adnk65


    greenspurs wrote: »
    Does it really matter what model? I was asking a general question about electric showers, i didnt think the exact model would be crucial to a remedy !!!
    If you read the op youd see the shower is working ... just not properly...

    but thanks for the childish attempt at wit.... No adult supervising you ?.....

    Actually the exact model of the shower is crucial too getting an acurate remedy!The model of the shower tells us alot about the shower!

    That general question you asked could have been any number of things wrong with the shower by asking the model i could have narrowed the fault down and answred your question.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Would at least want to know if it was a pumped one anyway. I was assuming it was.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Have you cleaned the internal filter. One of the primary reasons aside from the element of a shower loosing heat is the filter is blocked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Have you cleaned the internal filter. One of the primary reasons aside from the element of a shower loosing heat is the filter is blocked.

    I mentioned that one alright. Usually the reduced flow causes the shower to be too hot though, unless the flow is so badly reduced that the pressure switch is not bringing on the elements.

    If the shower is fully cold, the main overheat stat has probably gone which could be due to other previous problems such as filter, or bad limescale. If its partly heating, then half the element is not coming on. Its hard to say without precise info about it, is it a t90 etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    It's no harm cleaning the filter anyway, the hard water in my area destroys electric showers, I have kept my current model going for longer by cleaning the filter every now and then, also I identified the water feed that goes directly in the shower, I bought a bottle of harpic limescale remover, one with the duck head, with the shower running on cold I blasted the limescale remover directly into the piping feeding the shower and only the shower, to do this i basically got my hands wet in the attic but i stuck the nozzle in the pipe and kept adding the remover until the water coming from the shower ran blue like the remover, then I shut the shower off and stopped adding fluid.

    I left it over night and in the morning with the shower head screwed off (it was soaking in its own solution of lime scale remover in a basin) I ran the shower, the water that came out was grey, I let it run for a while and replaced the shower head, all was good no more fluctuating flow and heat rates. Every now and then I pop a calgon in the tank or squirt some limescale remover into the shower now and all has been good.

    That worked for me, I tried other things like opening the shower and putting solutions into the filter etc but this way worked very well, others may disagree with the methods, but this is a potential DIY method that you can try at your own risk if you want, all I can say is it works for me. you wont have to involve yourself with electricity with it either (unless you open up the shower to clean the filter, then you will need to isolate and power off the shower at the consumer unit)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,952 ✭✭✭✭Stoner


    Mod Note.

    this thread was flagged, we need to be careful and make sure this is a suitable environment for people to ask a question in, that said I thought the points were valid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79


    greenspurs wrote: »

    Does it really matter what model? I was asking a general question about electric showers, i didnt think the exact model would be crucial to a remedy !!!
    If you read the op youd see the shower is working ... just not properly...

    but thanks for the childish attempt at wit.... No adult supervising you ?.....
    Why the smartness to someone trying to help you??
    I assumed it was a t90 but mrmac84 was correct in asking you. It could have been a t80 which would have ruled out a pump issue. It could have been a pumped mixer shower which would rule out an element issue


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,158 ✭✭✭✭hufpc8w3adnk65


    Dtp79 wrote: »
    Why the smartness to someone trying to help you??
    I assumed it was a t90 but mrmac84 was correct in asking you. It could have been a t80 which would have ruled out a pump issue. It could have been a pumped mixer shower which would rule out an element issue

    T80, T90, Shannon, T150Z, Aspirante, Fast Fit Etc Etc...Not like there's only one model shower.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Dtp79



    T80, T90, Shannon, T150Z, Aspirante, Fast Fit Etc Etc...Not like there's only one model shower.
    Exactly!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Stoner wrote: »
    It's no harm cleaning the filter anyway,

    No its not at all, I was pointing out that with an electric shower, the symptom of a filter becoming clogged is not usually loss of heat, but hotter water.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 hoppway


    Hi. My Triton T90i electric shower won't heat up properly any more. Everything else, eg pressure, cold water, is fine. I've had a water softener for years, and this shower is only a couple of years old.
    Thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,158 ✭✭✭✭hufpc8w3adnk65


    hoppway wrote: »
    Hi. My Triton T90i electric shower won't heat up properly any more. Everything else, eg pressure, cold water, is fine. I've had a water softener for years, and this shower is only a couple of years old.
    Thanks.

    No heat at all is normally an element or stat...where in the country are you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    If the main thermal cut out fails, the t90 won't operate at all. If the secondary one fails, which is the one that you often hear clicking after the shower is switched off, only half the element stops heating. Half the element set not heating can seem like its not heating at all though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26 hoppway


    MrMac84 wrote: »
    No heat at all is normally an element or stat...where in the country are you?

    I'm in Roscrea, North Tipperary.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 26 hoppway


    Hi. I'm about to replace the T90xr with the T90z. I've turned off the cold water to the bathrooms, as I don't have individual isolating switches on all appliances. When I go open the inlet valve, there's still a lot of pressure inside. I presume there's only a small amount of water in there anyway? Thanks.


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