Northern Protestants.

im invisible

old hippy wrote: »

Who's making Ireland a colony at the moment?

col·o·ny
/ˈkälənē/
Noun

A country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from...

the_syco

Bertie Woot wrote: »

Despite the overwhelming majority of Northern Protestants still being Unionist

Are the majority of Northern Catholics Republican in the same sense?

old hippy

im invisible wrote: »

col·o·ny
/ˈkälənē/
Noun

A country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from...

Yes but who's making a colony of the Republic of Ireland at the moment?

im invisible

400 years, etc. etc.

LordSutch

Colony;

A much misused word in this thread + many other threads pertaining to Ireland Vis-à-vis the next door island (just 12 miles away at one point).

OCorcrainn

LordSutch wrote: »

Colony;

A much misused word in this thread + many other threads pertaining to Ireland Vis-à-vis the next door island (just 12 miles away at one point).

Are you suggesting that Ireland never was a colony?

awec

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Chuck Stone

You have to hand the English one thing though; they do make exceedingly good mustard.

LordSutch

OCorcrainn wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Ireland never was a colony?

The 1st time I heard colony and Ireland being uttered in the same sentence was post the GFA (1998) and I made a mental note there and then!

Nowadays of course its all over the place, and not a day goes by without somebody mentioning our 'colonial' past, or the fact that we are an ex colony, and that Northern Ireland is still a colony, etc etc etc . . .

Prior to 1998 the term was nearly always used in relation to distance (from the coloniser), the US, Australia, India, the French colonies in Africa,
etc etc, all thousands of miles away and totally foreign to the coloniser, hence 'Colony' a foreign and far off place totally alien, but now colonised.

Ireland is twelve miles away from Britain at the nearest point, so by that criteria the term is instantly void. Then we get into the relationship between the two neighbouring islands and the interaction between us vis a vis our proximity since the beginning of time, and I say the word colony fails again on that front too. Our peoples have been interacting & mixing back and fro between Ireland and Britain since before St patrick was a school boy.

Talking about Ireland in a colonial context is a new tool in the ever emerging quest to find ourselves as a totally seperate people from the people
in the rest of these islands, a quest that I find shallow and hollow. calling Ireland an ex British colony serves a purpose, and that's for sure.

Two islands side by side, connected by geography, culture, language, heritiage, blood lines, together on the edge of europe.

I realise that 'nowadays' I am in a small minority with my argument, but as I said above, I have witnessed a change in language, and the introduction of Colony being used in relation to the next door neighbour being the coloniser, where previously it would have been a far off place, alien and foreign to the coloniser.

Maybe my Protestant DNA has something to do with this theory

Madam

Dalriada was a colony but was it a British or Irish one?;)

There's such a thing as protestant DNA?:)

delthedriver

RMD wrote: »

There's roughly 2.6 times as many Protestants as there is Muslims.

Correct, I apologise, what I was trying to demonstrate is that there are more people of Non-Christian persuasion than C of I . By the way I don't have an issue with that. The C of I numbers are either falling or the number of non Christians increasing?

As a result we are as a country becoming more multi racial , multi cultural, all of which is a good thing.

Having looked at the CSO figures, of the number declaring Catholic, in real terms how many are actually practising Catholics, apart from attendance in advance of marriage, christening, first communion, confirmation?

Just a few thoughts!:)

Madam

Being a catholic in the south of Ireland imo can be a culture thing, much as being a protestant is in NI(not that I really believe that - your religion is not a culture).

OCorcrainn

LordSutch wrote: »

The 1st time I heard colony and Ireland being uttered in the same sentence was post the GFA (1998) and I made a mental note there and then!

Nowadays of course its all over the place, and not a day goes by without somebody mentioning our 'colonial' past, or the fact that we are an ex colony, and that Northern Ireland is still a colony, etc etc etc . . .

Prior to 1998 the term was nearly always used in relation to distance (from the coloniser), the US, Australia, India, the French colonies in Africa,
etc etc, all thousands of miles away and totally foreign to the coloniser, hence 'Colony' a foreign and far off place totally alien, but now colonised.

Ireland is twelve miles away from Britain at the nearest point, so by that criteria the term is instantly void. Then we get into the relationship between the two neighbouring islands and the interaction between us vis a vis our proximity since the beginning of time, and I say the word colony fails again on that front too. Our peoples have been interacting & mixing back and fro between Ireland and Britain since before St patrick was a school boy.

Talking about Ireland in a colonial context is a new tool in the ever emerging quest to find ourselves as a totally seperate people from the people
in the rest of these islands, a quest that I find shallow and hollow. calling Ireland an ex British colony serves a purpose, and that's for sure.

Two islands side by side, connected by geography, culture, language, heritiage, blood lines, together on the edge of europe.

I realise that 'nowadays' I am in a small minority with my argument, but as I said above, I have witnessed a change in language, and the introduction of Colony being used in relation to the next door neighbour being the coloniser, where previously it would have been a far off place, alien and foreign to the coloniser.

Maybe my Protestant DNA has something to do with this theory

I understand where you are coming from but you still have not answered my question, just a simple yes or no answer will do, so I will repeat it again.

"Was Ireland ever a colony?"

Or was it simply just settled by loyal British subjects at the behest of the British Crown to distort and influence the demographics and control the indigenous?

LordSutch

My answer is already there for you in post#260.

Plantation is a different thing.

OCorcrainn

LordSutch wrote: »

My answer is already there for you in post#260.

So your answer to if Ireland ever was a colony, is just a long no.

Surprise, surprise

Plantation is a different thing.

That would be incorrect.

Plantation = colonization

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/plantation?q=plantation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_%28disambiguation%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_%28settlement_or_colony%29