Going to look at this today - does everything look ok?

euser1984

Hi,
Just wondering if everything looks to be ok in this done deal ad - <snip>

Thanks a mill!

westies4ever

done deal is seriously unpopular around here so prepare yourself. I would contact the kennel club and ask them to check out the breeder. any quality breeder is not going to stick their puppies on done deal.

andreac

Were you not looking for a Springer recently??

Stheno

westies4ever wrote: »

done deal is seriously unpopular around here so prepare yourself. I would contact the kennel club and ask them to check out the breeder. any quality breeder is not going to stick their puppies on done deal.

+1 to the above, also some of those pictures are not 2 month old pups, especially the ones of them playing, more 3-4 months they are way too big for 2 months.

Are you planning on having the pup as an indoor dog?

Bullseye1

From the description it looks like they are from a working line. These won't be suitable for everyone. As others have stated do your research on the breeder. I'd also be wary of any dogs being sold on donedeal.

juniord

10 generations back to 1903 ? doesnt look right to me i generation per 11 years

boomerang

Doesn't look to me like the puppies have been reared in the home, which would be a big no-no for me, OP. Some sheppy strains have a tendency towards nervousness and I'd want my sheppy pup to have every chance from day one of being able to cope in a busy home, with lots of different household noises, kids coming in and out, etc.

You can also take it they are probably not house-trained and haven't been given any boundaries when it comes to jumping up/chewing stuff/puppyish nipping and haven't been on a collar and lead, which is going to make your work as the new owner much harder initially.

Also agree these pups might be very "worky" going on the description and might be too hard work for someone looking for a laid-back pet that's happy with a good walk and a bit of ball.

euser1984

I was thinking of getting it professionally trained....and socializing properly. It does strike me as strange that you think they are a bit too big but I think I'll look at them anyway. Just sick of looking now and nothing cropping up - it's been weeks.

I think the guy does sound genuine - he said he has been breeding them for 20 years so maybe he just has history of bitches or dogs dating back that far?

euser1984

What do you think of the mother from the pics?
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andreac

Ask him what the hip scores are of the parents.

boomerang

If professionally trained means sending the dog away to be trained, don't do it. It doesn't work OP, training is something you do with your dog day in day out yourself, all your life together. You also don't know what kind of methods will be used on your pup - he or she could come back really, really messed up for life.

At the age these pups are at, they've already lost out on the most sensitive period for socialisation, so you'll be trying to catch up on a window of opportunity that's already gone.

Impossible to say anything about the mum from the photo, really.

Also if you've only been looking for weeks, give yourself more time, OP. It's a big decision - a dog that will be with you for the next 12-14 years. Be patient and be very fussy.

Stheno

euser1984 wrote: »

I was thinking of getting it professionally trained....and socializing properly. It does strike me as strange that you think they are a bit too big but I think I'll look at them anyway. Just sick of looking now and nothing cropping up - it's been weeks.

I think the guy does sound genuine - he said he has been breeding them for 20 years so maybe he just has history of bitches or dogs dating back that far?

By professionally trained are you thinking of sending it away for a few weeks and have it come back trained?

boomerang wrote: »

Doesn't look to me like the puppies have been reared in the home, which would be a big no-no for me, OP. Some sheppy strains have a tendency towards nervousness and I'd want my sheppy pup to have every chance from day one of being able to cope in a busy home, with lots of different household noises, kids coming in and out, etc.

You can also take it they are probably not house-trained and haven't been given any boundaries when it comes to jumping up/chewing stuff/puppyish nipping and haven't been on a collar and lead, which is going to make your work as the new owner much harder initially.

Also agree these pups might be very "worky" going on the description and might be too hard work for someone looking for a laid-back pet that's happy with a good walk and a bit of ball.

I'd be the same here, my very first dog as an adult was a "worky" GSD who by god needed plenty to keep him occupied

**Vai**

Id be looking at any documents I could get my hands on with regard to the pups and the parents. If it all checks out and they are healthy dogs who have been looked after properly, go for it. Donedeal is notorious though so be very cautious.

I know this is the stock reply but have you been checking pounds/rescues? No shortage of gorgeous GSDs looking for a good home.

andreac

Sorry, but you absolutely cannot tell anything from a picture so please have your eyes wide open when and if you visit this breeder. None of us here can tell you anything about these pups, breeder, mother etc from a photo.

doubter

euser1984 wrote: »

I was thinking of getting it professionally trained....and socializing properly. It does strike me as strange that you think they are a bit too big but I think I'll look at them anyway. Just sick of looking now and nothing cropping up - it's been weeks.

I think the guy does sound genuine - he said he has been breeding them for 20 years so maybe he just has history of bitches or dogs dating back that far?

grmbl...breeder,done deal...pfffffffff....theres a 2 year old beautiful sheppie in longford pound who's only got a day left to live...buying a puppy from DD is a BAD idea.

fatmammycat

It says the picture is of the pups' sire, not the dam.

Can't tell you much about the pups from the photos. But working GSDs with hard drive will require a lot of work, exercise, mental stimulation and constant socialisation and are RB-listed, something you have to really think about before you take one on (I have one myself, and he's great, but a lot of work).

boomerang

My neighbours bought the most beautiful GSD puppy. An absolute sweetheart who is great with other dogs. But they didn't know anything about training. They sent him away to be trained, which of course didn't work. He has no manners because they never taught him to come back when called, not to jump up on people (he's a big silly goofball, wouldn't harm a fly) or not to drag them over to other dogs when he's on the lead. He has become big, unmanageable and pulls so hard on the lead that only the boyfriend can walk him and it's so unpleasant they hardly take him anywhere. He's basically a prisoner in his own garden and he is so bored he recently forced his way out, strayed, and ended up in the pound for a night. He was lucky not to be shot as he was on farmland.

It's a crying shame for such a sweet, friendly boy. He's only a baby and already he's destined to have far less interest, variety and happy excitement in his life because his well-intentioned owners took him on without understanding what they'd need to do.

I'm not saying this will happen to you OP, but do give it some thought. At the very least, think about bringing your pup to positive training classes where he or she will mix with other dogs and learn some basics. Not all training classes would be good for your pup so if you let us know what part of the country you're in, we can recommend one. It is so important that your German Shepherd is balanced, socialised and well-rounded. You already face stigma by virtue of it being a restricted breed, and there is no dog less welcome dog in society than a restricted breed that is unruly, scaredy-cat and not good with other dogs.

jimf

hip scores hip scores hip scores proof required in writing for both sire and dam if he can show these to you then maybe consider buying a pup and i mean consider being checked over by his local vet doesnt wash im afraid

boxerly

Id be looking for health certs,hip scores etc.To be honest I hate seeing the adds were the pups or parents are on straw or shavings.Maybe just me but just screams "farm" to me,Im prob wrong though

meow

Oh please please please check out all your local rescues and pounds first.
Stunning dogs are being PTS.

Most pounds and rescues now have facebook pages where you can look at dogs
If you want details of some, get back to me and I can give you loads

jimf

euser1984

did you not post a similar question here recently re springer spaniel with virtually the same details only this time its german shepard what kind of clarification are you expecting from posters on this forum

i replied the last time when you asked did the add look ok and in hindsight i should not have it looks to me as if you dont have the confidence in yourself to make a decision on what type of a dog you are looking for if its an indoor/outdoor dog please take time to reflect you are jumping around too much i mean from a springer to a german shepard that to me is not somebody who knows what they want sorry if this looks a bit of a rant but we are talking a decision for the next 10 years so please take your time and dont rush in you may just regret it

I bought a dog on Done Deal and it turned out to be 95% horse :eek:

jimf

Deleted User wrote: »

I bought a dog on Done Deal and it turned out to be 95% horse :eek:

not registered with the ikc then or was it:

fatmammycat

euser1984: as boomerang suggests, there's a very big difference between a springer and a GSD in terms of temperament. Very different dogs. Without trying to dissuade you, I don't think GSDs are a dog for first timers or for people who have no real experience with large energetic determinded intelligent dogs (I don't know what your experiences are, of course, so please dont take this the wrong way, you might have a lot of experience. But if you haven't do give it a lot of consideration, the puppies are adorable, but they do not stay that small for long and even at 6 months GSDs are more dog that some people can handle).

wolfpawnat

andreac wrote: »

Ask him what the hip scores are of the parents.

^^^^^^^Very important OP!!!!


Any reputable breeder would be able to provide papers for both parents and a veterinary surgeon would give paperwork of the scoring that would match the names on the papers.

It will save you in the long run, also, the parents should have straight backs, not slanted. People have started breeding GSD's for the slanted back, but it is a serious design flaw and causes severe issues for the dog. Yet another reason why all veterinary organisations have condemned Cruft's for trying to make something that is bad for the dog a "breed standard".

DBB

Mod Note: Euser, I'm rather confused as to what you're doing here, but regardless, the last time you posted an almost identical thread to ask their opinions on a dog on a donedeal ad, I asked you not to link to donedeal. But you came on here again and linked to donedeal.
Please do not link to any advertising websites in this way again, it is against the forum charter.
Thanks,
DBB

jimf

wolfpawnat wrote: »

^^^^^^^Very important OP!!!!


Any reputable breeder would be able to provide papers for both parents and a veterinary surgeon would give paperwork of the scoring that would match the names on the papers.

It will save you in the long run, also, the parents should have straight backs, not slanted. People have started breeding GSD's for the slanted back, but it is a serious design flaw and causes severe issues for the dog. Yet another reason why all veterinary organisations have condemned Cruft's for trying to make something that is bad for the dog a "breed standard".

have to agree with this post have seen some beautiful shepards recently with their carriage/gait all ballcocked up over this slanted back issue what a pity this is going on they are such a beautiful and loyal proud dog

wolfpawnat

jimf wrote: »

have to agree with this post have seen some beautiful shepards recently with their carriage/gait all ballcocked up over this slanted back issue what a pity this is going on they are such a beautiful and loyal proud dog

It is ruining the breed. They can't turn as required, which of course ruins the working stock is the main reason that particular breed suffers horrendously with it's hips. There is nothing more beautiful than a strong well bred GSD. Magnificent animal.

I went to a lecture in UCD and the lecturer nearly had an aneurysm about people calling a GS an Alsation and the ruining of the breed with the back. He brought in his two, dear God, never have I seen the likes of them. Amazing. It kills him how many he has had to pts because the cost of surgery and long term care was more than the owners could afford because of bad breeding.

jimf

if this continues it will eventually wipe out the breed no new bloodlines for breeding etc plus the fear factor when purchasing a pup

but then again good breeders will always have good pups

pup prices will soar though out of reach

wolfpawnat

jimf wrote: »

if this continues it will eventually wipe out the breed no new bloodlines for breeding etc plus the fear factor when purchasing a pup

but then again good breeders will always have good pups

pup prices will soar though out of reach

It might be what saves it though. Same with a lot of breeds I'd say. Cavalier King Charles will head that way too I'd say.

Stheno

My first gsd whilst not of the best pedigree, had a slopey back, we did schutzhund for a while, and the "purists" there thought he was stunning example of his breed.

My current one is called fatarse, as he is longhaired and has a straight back, so compared to my first dog, his rear end looks wider and higher up, health wise, my first lad dropped dead of a heart attack when he was seven and a bit, fatarse is as healthy as the day is long.

Fatarse is a rescue his mum and dad came and mum then had pups.

Dad was a white GS Mum the traditional shorthaired black and tan.