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Hande hoche!

Gerrie Nel is some man. The Prison health manager loves the word "true".

Mr Freeze

I think there is no chance of OP going back to Jail.

The same judge again, I think she will be as lenient as possible.

AudreyHepburn

So OP is back in court for sentencing....here's just tidbits from Sky News;

http://news.sky.com/story/1712153/live-updates-pistorius-sentence-hearing

http://news.sky.com/story/1712310/sobbing-pistorius-removes-prosthetic-legs

http://news.sky.com/story/1711751/reeva-murder-devastated-us-dad-tells-court


Barry Steenkamp would break your heart

Mr Freeze

That was a pathetic attempt to garner sympathy for OP who is apparently too ill to testify as he is a 'broken man' but ok to parade around in front of the court during Roux' heads of argument on his stumps, wobbling and crying.

I hope this kind of stunt does not work on the judge, But I think she fall for it & will not send him back to jail.

storker

I saw footage of his ex-girlfriend on Sky News. She sure dodged a bullet...

Mr Freeze

storker wrote: »

I saw footage of his ex-girlfriend on Sky News. She sure dodged a bullet...

Which Ex?

HensVassal

Mr Freeze wrote: »

That was a pathetic attempt to garner sympathy for OP who is apparently too ill to testify as he is a 'broken man' but ok to parade around in front of the court during Roux' heads of argument on his stumps, wobbling and crying.

I hope this kind of stunt does not work on the judge, But I think she fall for it & will not send him back to jail.

He really is a maggot of a human being.

weldoninhio

I loved the way Nel pulled him up when he said he was too ill to speak before the court, then went out and did an interview with BBC

bleach94

https://www.enca.com/south-africa/watch-the-oscar-pistorius-interview

The TV interview is interesting for anyone who's interested in watching it.. Heavily edited and cut to be part of a documentary type show. I wonder if people will perceive it in a different way to how they would have if it had simply been shown as a straight question/answer piece.
For my part, I think Pistorius is remorseful and deeply regrets what he did. However, it can't hide the fact that his story is, in my opinion, unbelievable and basically a lie. He's being sentenced tomorrow and the consensus seems to be that he'll get 10-15 years, being available for parole after six.

FunGoose

I agree that he is full of regret and remorse.

He has stuck to the same story since the first witnesses arrived on the scene right up to now, but that doesn't mean it is not a lie. I almost felt sorry for him during the interview but then thought of Reeva, June and Barry and didn't feel sorry for him.

It will be interesting to see what sentence he gets, it is due very shortly...

Pickpocket

Six years.

Dr Strange

He got six years. http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0706/800464-pistorius-sentence-murder/

seamus

FunGoose wrote: »

It will be interesting to see what sentence he gets, it is due very shortly...

I wouldn't hold your breath. Our experience of this whole thing is that SA judges love the limelight and the sound of their own voices. Expect the hearing to kick off and last for hours.

Edit: Or not. Lol.

seamus

According to the BBC, he has to serve at least 50% of the sentence before he can be considered for release. I wonder does the 1.5 years already served count against this? And whether he'll be placed in a special facility considering his disability and vulnerability?

FunGoose

...and taken down to the cells to serve a 6 year sentence. That'll learn 'im!

I would imagine the Steenkamp family will be satisfied with this sentence.


RIP Reeva Steenkamp

Mr Freeze

6 Years only, knew she wouldn't give the min of 15, but honestly thought she would give him a suspended sentence or house arrest.

What will he serve of the 6? another 10 months?

Mr Freeze

seamus wrote: »

According to the BBC, he has to serve at least 50% of the sentence before he can be considered for release. I wonder does the 1.5 years already served count against this? And whether he'll be placed in a special facility considering his disability and vulnerability?

Back to the same hospital wing cell I believe.

Sugarlumps

They should amputate his arms, just in case it happens again.

Mr Freeze

From Sky news feed

Barry Roux, Pistorius' lawyer, was seen punching the air - indicating there may not be an appeal

Will the state appeal I wonder.

Kristopherus

A joke of a sentence:mad:

ohnonotgmail

How can he get a sentence that is shorter than the prescribed minimum? The word minimum does mean the same thing in South Africa, right?

seamus

Mr Freeze wrote: »

From Sky news feed
Will the state appeal I wonder.

His lawyer is probably delighted that he got less than the 15. BBC reckoned the prosecution may appeal, but the defence won't; they would risk increasing what is a very short sentence anyway.

How can he get a sentence that is shorter than the prescribed minimum? The word minimum does mean the same thing in South Africa, right?

I imagine there's some wiggle room for extenuating circumstances; the judge seemed to make a lot of nods to her belief that Pistorious is genuinely remorseful and is a "good candidate" for rehabilitation.

Mr Freeze

Supposedly from a source from the State, Claiming if the sentence was less than 8 they would appeal:

Taken from The Telegraph Feed:

"If all goes according to what we would really like to happen, in the worst-case scenario it would be 10 years," the source said. "We think she might go down to eight. You would expect the system to work and we will do the best we can. We can only hope for the best but she has disappointed us before.

"If we get a pittance of a sentence, make no mistake we will appeal. We can apply for leave to appeal and it will go to the full bench of high court. If it’s going to be less than eight years, there is no way we are not going to appeal. It sets such a bad precedent if a murderer doesn’t get life. This was a brutal murder. "

And then from Sky News:

There were tears from Reeva's family in court - but their lawyer has indicated the sentence is fair

Maybe the state are happy with 6 now too.

check_six

On the radio reports they were saying that prison overcrowding means that most gaol terms are so severely curtailed that convicts may actually serve less than a quarter of their full sentence. They speculated it could be as little as a sixth, as in one year. One year? For murder?

Enzokk

One year more than his sentence for culpable homicide is a joke. My guess is the State will appeal, not against him but the precedent this may set. We will have to see what her judgement reads, I am sure the fact that he didn't like prison will come into her reckoning, which shouldn't mean anything as I am sure she has sentenced people to jail before that also had problems adjusting when they first arrived in jail. That is no reason to lessen the sentence.

BoJack Horseman

He's an incredibly lucky man.
6 years for murder.

In SA, which has a pretty high rate of murder, this could have serious ramifications for their justice system.

Mr Freeze

Enzokk wrote: »

One year more than his sentence for culpable homicide is a joke. My guess is the State will appeal, not against him but the precedent this may set.

Thats my thinking too.

AudreyHepburn

A fair sentence imo, although I'm still not convinced it was actually murder.

Whatever happened Pistorius has shown full real remorse and I genuinely feel sorry for him. He just does not fit with the profile of a cold psychopathic murderer.

And before anyone says it, of course I feel sympathy for June and Barry Steenkamp and for Reeva.

I don't see any reason why feeling sorry for one party negates my ability to feel sorry for the other.

Kristopherus

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

A fair sentence imo, although I'm still not convinced it was actually murder.

Whatever happened Pistorius has shown full real remorse and I genuinely feel sorry for him. He just does not fit with the profile of a cold psychopathic murderer.

And before anyone says it, of course I feel sympathy for June and Barry Steenkamp and for Reeva.

I don't see any reason why feeling sorry for one party negates my ability to feel sorry for the other.

Sob! Sob! Remorse my ass !!!

Mr Freeze

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Whatever happened Pistorius has shown full real remorse and I genuinely feel sorry for him.

I think any remorse he has shown is more for himself than anything.

From the various legal experts sounds like the max he might actually serve in prison is 2 years.

elastics

Disgraceful .

Not surprising though.

Hande hoche!

Would imagine that the state will appeal, so it isn't over yet. The Steenkamps were very dignified.

mzungu

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Whatever happened Pistorius has shown full real remorse and I genuinely feel sorry for him. He just does not fit with the profile of a cold psychopathic murderer.

He is sorry for himself and nobody else.

Sunflower 27

I was really saddened to hear the verdict. Like many, I have been following this. He is a despicable human being. I feel real sympathy for Reeva her her family. This is not justice, not even close to it.

Tin Foil Hat

elastics wrote: »

Disgraceful .

Not surprising though.

Not at all. She's obviously a fan of his. How the sentencing is allowed to revert back to her, instead of a different judge, after her original verdict was found to be flawed, is beyond me. What a mental system.

This thread is like a metaphor for the sad demise of boards.ie

The final sentence is in, and there's only been about two pages written. Earlier in the course of the trial, you'd be refreshing the page a few times per minute.

Times are a-changin' here, and it gives me no satisfaction to say that.

Laois_Man

How the feck does it make any sense that his excuse for murdering her (ie that he thought he was shooting at an intruder) which was deemed by the court system to have been lies, was then used by the same court system as a mitigating factor in his sentencing.

That judge is an absolute moron!

Clearlier

Laois_Man wrote: »

How the feck does it make any sense that his excuse for murdering her (ie that he thought he was shooting at an intruder) which was deemed by the court system to have been lies, was then used by the same court system as a mitigating factor in his sentencing.

That judge is an absolute moron!

I think it was more that the judge didn't recognise in the original verdict that he had to know that shooting his gun had a high chance of leading to a death. The identity of the person he killed wasn't relevant to that point.

FWIW I think that he is a sociopath and I'd rather he spent the rest of his life in jail. I don't believe his story for a moment or that he's remorseful about anything other than the consequences for him and I'm extremely disappointed in the judge's decision having been given a second opportunity to deliver an appropriate sentence.

Enzokk

Laois_Man wrote: »

How the feck does it make any sense that his excuse for murdering her (ie that he thought he was shooting at an intruder) which was deemed by the court system to have been lies, was then used by the same court system as a mitigating factor in his sentencing.

That judge is an absolute moron!

She also found the nurse truthful and the testimony that he didn't see a body of a suicide victim and that he has medicine with him that he shouldn't have had somehow is okay, he is vulnerable because of his disability.

I wonder if Judge Masipa will have lots more career advancements if her original ruling has been overturned and if the State appeals and this is also overturned.

seamus

Laois_Man wrote: »

How the feck does it make any sense that his excuse for murdering her (ie that he thought he was shooting at an intruder) which was deemed by the court system to have been lies, was then used by the same court system as a mitigating factor in his sentencing.

That judge is an absolute moron!

Like in Ireland, the identity of the person behind the door is irrelevant. It's murder if you intend to kill or seriously injure a person, and someone (anyone) dies.

It was never declared that Pistorious knew that Steenkamp was behind the door or that he intended to kill her. The facts of the case never changed, the court never said he was lying about shooting at an intruder. In fact, IIRC, the court accepted Pistorious's version of events.

The charge was upgraded to murder on the basis that shooting at someone carries a reasonable expectation of death. And whether Pistorious intended to kill them doesn't really matter - someone died when Pistorious did something which was likely to kill them.

That's the judge's reasoning for leniency - he didn't specifically fire with intention to kill. But he gets murder because you can't fire a weapon and not expect death as an outcome.

robinph

Laois_Man wrote: »

How the feck does it make any sense that his excuse for murdering her (ie that he thought he was shooting at an intruder) which was deemed by the court system to have been lies, was then used by the same court system as a mitigating factor in his sentencing.

That judge is an absolute moron!

Are you on about the court of law or the court of social media?

The court of law did not disagree with Pistouris version of events. What you may have been reading on social media is irrelevant.

Muff Richardson

robinph wrote: »

The court of law did not disagree with Pistouris version of events.

And you know this much how? The court of law was restricted from throwing the book at him because for some inexplicable reason it could not be proven outright that he intentionally murderded her and was premeditated in a fit of rage, which we all know, social media included, is exactly what happened..

I would say the court of law very much disagrees with every single minute detail of his fictitious twisted waffle so they did him with whatever they could and used the law in their favour by getting him on the only technicality that they could. It's a crying shame he didn't get longer, he may not reoffend but he is a very twisted and sick individual, lets just hope his conscience rots in hell but I suspect he has not got one.

robinph

Muff Richardson wrote: »

And you know this much how? The court of law was restricted from throwing the book at him because for some inexplicable reason it could not be proven outright that he intentionally murderded her and was premeditated in a fit of rage, which we all know, social media included, is exactly what happened..

I would say the court of law very much disagrees with every single minute detail of his fictitious twisted waffle so they did him with whatever they could and used the law in their favour by getting him on the only technicality that they could. It's a crying shame he didn't get longer, he may not reoffend but he is a very twisted and sick individual, lets just hope his conscience rots in hell but I suspect he has not got one.

Well we know that the court did not disagree with his version of events because of the verdict that they found.

The prosecution were not able to provide evidence that his version of events didn't happen, and they also were not able to provide an alternative version that they could provide any evidence for.
They couldn't even manage to get him found guilty on the relatively simple case regarding the holding of unlicensed ammo/ weapons which would have had a minimum sentence of 15 years. They just decided to ignore pursuing that line for some daft reason despite their opening statement for the pre-meditated murder charge admitting that they had no evidence for it.

The initial investigating cop and the prosecution are to blame for him only getting a minimal sentence, not the judge.

Hande hoche!

See the prosecution is appealing against the length of the sentence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/21/south-africa-to-appeal-pistorius-six-year-murder-sentence/

Hande hoche!

Challenge by the prosecution has failed. They have 21 days to decide if they wish to take it to the Supreme court of Appeal. Wouldn't be surprised if they did.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-37195090

Mushy

Sentence gone up to 15 years now. Much deserved for him.

Also delighted to see this thread title again!

seamus

There was speculation that he would be able to finish the tail-end of his athletic career and take up coaching or similar, under the original sentence; he would have been eligible for parole in 2019 and would be 33 at that point.

He won't be eligible now until 2023/24, so that's the end of that.

alchemist33

Much more appropriate sentence.

Hande hoche!

Prosecution will be relieved. We also have a forthcoming lifetime film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQ20DXd380

FunGoose

Finally he gets the sentence he deserves.

That Lifetime movie looks awful!