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Mr Freeze · 08-08-2014 2:54pm

So the verdict is to be handed down on 11 September.

How do you think its going to go?

After Nel's arguments today & yesterday, I am leaning more towards the outright murder charge than I was previously.

Nel: The accused intended to kill a human being. He knew there was a human being in that toilet.

That’s his evidence … He is guilty of murder. There must be consequences for it.

NipNip · 08-08-2014 3:04pm

Mr Freeze wrote: »

So the verdict is to be handed down on 11 September.

How do you think its going to go?

After Nel's arguments today & yesterday, I am leaning more towards the outright murder charge than I was previously.

As an observer if the trial, it is clear to me that he murdered her. As a judge, where I have to only look at evidence presented? Gosh, what evidence can you rely on in this case?

desbrook · 08-08-2014 5:59pm

NipNip wrote: »

As an observer if the trial, it is clear to me that he murdered her. As a judge, where I have to only look at evidence presented? Gosh, what evidence can you rely on in this case?

The evidence that Nell is an EXTREMELY intelligent man

Pumpkinseeds · 08-08-2014 7:17pm

To find him innocent you would have to suspend all belief. There is no way that she wouldn't have called out to him that it was her in the bathroom. It's that simple. Man or woman, if you are in the bathroom and your partner starts shouting at the door at an 'intruder', there is no way that you would not identify yourself.

The defence can put forward any argument they choose, but for me the simple question is why would she not identify herself and if she did answer how could he not recognise her voice?

Mr Freeze · 10-09-2014 1:04pm

So....Verdict tomorrow.

What are ye expecting?

I think he should be found guilty of murder because as Nel said in the closing arguments, it doesn't matter who was behind the door, he fired to kill whoever was behind it.

But, I don't think they will find him guilty of murder, I think he will get the lesser charge of man slaughter ( or culpable homicide whatever they call it).

Probably guilty on all the weapon charges too.

gramar · 10-09-2014 1:05pm

Mr Freeze wrote: »

So....Verdict tomorrow.

What are ye expecting?

I think he should be found guilty of murder because as Nel said in the closing arguments, it doesn't matter who was behind the door, he fired to kill whoever was behind it.

But, I don't think they will find him guilty of murder, I think he will get the lesser charge of man slaughter ( or culpable homicide whatever they call it).

Probably guilty on all the weapon charges too.

I'd agree with that.

Dublin Red Devil · 10-09-2014 1:49pm

Guilty in my opinion. Not familluar with the RSA justice system but I hope he is put in prison for a long time.

bajer101 · 10-09-2014 2:04pm

Picture of the courtroom ahead of the verdict. There's a bucket on the bench where Oscar will sit!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxK8c2RIIAA9OHz.jpg:large

Dublin Red Devil · 10-09-2014 2:43pm

bajer101 wrote: »

Picture of the courtroom ahead of the verdict. There's a bucket on the bench where Oscar will sit!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxK8c2RIIAA9OHz.jpg:large

Is it possible that this whole trial has been the longest most elaborate Ice bucket challenge in history

Dublin Red Devil · 10-09-2014 2:44pm

bajer101 wrote: »

Picture of the courtroom ahead of the verdict. There's a bucket on the bench where Oscar will sit!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxK8c2RIIAA9OHz.jpg:large

Is it possible that this whole trial has been the longest most elaborate Ice bucket challenge in history

Valetta · 10-09-2014 2:48pm

bajer101 wrote: »

Picture of the courtroom ahead of the verdict. There's a bucket on the bench where Oscar will sit!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxK8c2RIIAA9OHz.jpg:large

Bloody ice-bucket challenge gets everywhere.

Pumpkinseeds · 10-09-2014 5:59pm

Given that one of the options open to the judge is to place him under house arrest, possibly at his uncles home, where he's been living since the shooting, I'm leaning towards that as the sentence the judge will give. I think he's guilty as sin.

castletownman · 10-09-2014 6:08pm

If he gets off, I wonder could his first and second names be abbreviated to OJ?

Muff Richardson · 10-09-2014 6:13pm

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Given that one of the options open to the judge is to place him under house arrest, possibly at his uncles home, where he's been living since the shooting, I'm leaning towards that as the sentence the judge will give. I think he's guilty as sin.

are you serious? as in a lengthy sentence staying at his uncles house? if so that's nuts.

volchitsa · 10-09-2014 6:24pm

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Given that one of the options open to the judge is to place him under house arrest, possibly at his uncles home, where he's been living since the shooting, I'm leaning towards that as the sentence the judge will give. I think he's guilty as sin.

How would that be a suitable sentence if he is guilty?

(Or if he were found innocent either, mind!)

My own view - I hope he is found guilty of premeditated murder of Reeve Steenkamp, but I suspect the judge will go for homicide of some sort, IOW that she will consider that he intended to kill whoever was behind the door, and was not sufficiently at risk to justify that, but that it may not be proven that he intended to murder Steenkamp.

I hope I'm wrong though, and that she throws the book at him, because I believe he did intend to kill her.

Nomis21 · 10-09-2014 6:47pm

Monty Python once famously said that murder was just an extroverted suicide.

I don't think so. Nor will the judge. He's going down for 20 years minimum.

NickD · 10-09-2014 7:27pm

He is going down to China Town (I hope)

Pumpkinseeds · 10-09-2014 7:42pm

volchitsa wrote: »

How would that be a suitable sentence if he is guilty?

(Or if he were found innocent either, mind!)

My own view - I hope he is found guilty of premeditated murder of Reeve Steenkamp, but I suspect the judge will go for homicide of some sort, IOW that she will consider that he intended to kill whoever was behind the door, and was not sufficiently at risk to justify that, but that it may not be proven that he intended to murder Steenkamp.

I hope I'm wrong though, and that she throws the book at him, because I believe he did intend to kill her.

I agree with you. There was something on Sky news earlier and they were looking at the sentencing options available to the judge, depending on what her verdict is, one of them was serving a sentence under house arrest as opposed to in prison.

robinph · 10-09-2014 8:01pm

volchitsa wrote: »

How would that be a suitable sentence if he is guilty?

It would be a whole lot cheaper and simpler for the state to deal with than if they had to house him in one of their prisons. They don't want to have to deal with a high profile disabled prisoner. All they need to pay for is to stick a couple of cops on his front gate and tag him. If they lock him up in an over crowded prison he'll just become an expensive and annoying pain in the neck.

Muff Richardson · 10-09-2014 9:02pm

robinph wrote: »

It would be a whole lot cheaper and simpler for the state to deal with than if they had to house him in one of their prisons. They don't want to have to deal with a high profile disabled prisoner. All they need to pay for is to stick a couple of cops on his front gate and tag him. If they lock him up in an over crowded prison he'll just become an expensive and annoying pain in the neck.

What utter nonsense, do you honestly believe a reputable judge would base any part of their judgement on the back of convenience and saving the state a few quid? It may come as a shock to you but the South African prison system may also have measures in place to deal with high profile inmates and disabled inmates...and shock horror, high profile inmates with disabilities.

Your post in the last few months regarding this case have been either laughable and/or borderline trolling but you've now crossed the line into just plain idiotic and stupid.

robinph · 10-09-2014 9:57pm

Muff Richardson wrote: »

What utter nonsense, do you honestly believe a reputable judge would base any part of their judgement on the back of convenience and saving the state a few quid? It may come as a shock to you but the South African prison system may also have measures in place to deal with high profile inmates and disabled inmates...and shock horror, high profile inmates with disabilities.

I don't think the judge will go for the house arrest option.

Doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a cheaper and easier option to actually administer though.

volchitsa · 10-09-2014 10:14pm

robinph wrote: »

I don't think the judge will go for the house arrest option.

Doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a cheaper and easier option to actually administer though.

So would giving him a hefty fine and calling him a naughty boy.

Doesn't make that a suitable option, all the same.

Merkin · 10-09-2014 10:25pm

What time is the verdict due and will it be on Sky as usual does anyone know please?

Right Turn Clyde · 10-09-2014 10:29pm

Merkin wrote: »

What time is the verdict due and will it be on Sky as usual does anyone know please?

What time is kick off tomorrow? Are Sky showing it in HD, because I've a new TV arriving in the morning?

volchitsa · 10-09-2014 10:33pm

Merkin wrote: »

What time is the verdict due and will it be on Sky as usual does anyone know please?

There's a South African news station (ENCR?) that's been carrying all the coverage of the trial live on Sky, I'd say they'll be waiting to annouce it as it goes out.

NickD · 10-09-2014 10:34pm

I thought it was the usual half 8 (our time) kick off, open to correction though. Also if Milady finds Mr. Pistorious guilty I would imagine his counsel with appeal asap will he be in prison while waiting appeal?

robinph · 10-09-2014 10:35pm

volchitsa wrote: »

So would giving him a hefty fine and calling him a naughty boy.

Doesn't make that a suitable option, all the same.

Well that isn't an option so don't know why you're talking about it.

volchitsa · 11-09-2014 8:35am

robinph wrote: »

Well that isn't an option so don't know why you're talking about it.

Well that's what I mean - just because something is cheaper and easier doesn't make it a suitable punishment. Even when it is on the list of possible sanctions, it may be intended only for the bottom end of the scale of severity of the punishment. For instance if there really had been an intruder, and Steenkamp's death had clearly been accidental.

If you'd just said that in your view it would be excessively cruel to put a rich white disabled man into the hell hole that SA prisons probably are, that would have been closer I think to what you really meant.

(The verdict is just starting now on eNCA on Sky)

.jacksparrow. · 11-09-2014 8:38am

This is gonna drag on for days, then will probably be a retrial or something as tedious.

Mr Freeze · 11-09-2014 8:41am

Possible sentences

Guilty of premeditated murder - minimum term of 25 years
• Guilty of murder - range from suspended to life
• Guilty of culpable homicide (manslaughter) - suspended to 15 years
• Acquitted - Pistorius walks free
• Other charges (firearms charges) - maximum five years (each)

If he gets Suspended/House Arrest or a fine like some news sites are saying, I will go mad.

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