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Gay Footballer comes out and retires !!

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  • #102
    efb
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    MaroonAndGreen wrote: »
    He clearly isnt homophobic though and he didnt mean to offend

    I never said he was I said his post was, if he was homophobic he'd have refused to change it. He did so his words were wrong, not him.


  • #103
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    kfallon wrote: »
    How many openly gay current footballers do you know of?

    All of Liverpool's players.


  • #104
    efb
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bws52wtv6Ts


  • #105
    wadacrack
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    efb wrote: »
    I never said he was I said his post was, if he was homophobic he'd have refused to change it. He did so his words were wrong, not him.

    I do not think my post was homophobic it was a joke prob did insult a few which was not my intention


  • #106
    MaroonAndGreen
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    efb wrote: »
    I never said he was I said his post was, if he was homophobic he'd have refused to change it. He did so his words were wrong, not him.

    Fair enough, thanks!

    And btw, Rogers shouldnt have had to retire.. I speculate that it may have something to do with opposition fans, they can be pretty ruthless in football.. They would definetly abuse him!


  • #107
    Annasopra
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    Showers are for cleaning - as efb just said don't be flattering yourselves that us gay men only go into showers to stare at your mickeys - guess what - like everyone else we use showers to clean ourselves.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #108
    darced
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  • #109
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    A football environment with teh fans abuse would need a very mentally strong person to be involved

    A footballer needs to be mentally strong, gay or not, given the abuse that comes from the stands.

    Personally I couldn't care less if someone is gay or not.

    As for the showering, I also couldn't care less. Played plenty of sports, must have been a few gays lads there, no big deal.
    If I was to head into the gym's female shower section, there's plenty of women I wouldn't want to catch sight of, and I'd imagine it may well be the same for gay men/women.
    But I can understand it being uncomfortable for some people, and they should be respected too.

    As for the footballer, I guess it's a good step in the right direction. Gets the ball rolling on the issue. Pity he felt he'd to leave the game though, but tough to ask him to take things another step.
    Hopefully it'll help others, then more can admit it and continue playing, and then it'll get to a stage when it's not required to 'come out' as nobody will give a crap about someones sexuality.


  • #110
    Annasopra
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    darced wrote: »
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    Oh ffs - how do you know everytime you shower in the gym or at your local pool there's no gay men there.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #111
    wadacrack
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    darced wrote: »
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    exactly..so it is definitely understandable than a man would prfer not to shower with a gay or straight man


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  • #112
    MD1990
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    frisbeeface wrote: »
    I am also confused by this. I have showered with gay teammates, nobody cares :confused:
    your obviously are a very confident lad;)


  • #113
    MaroonAndGreen
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    Joselyn Repulsive Crystal wrote: »
    A footballer needs to be mentally strong, gay or not, given the abuse that comes from the stands.

    Personally I couldn't care less if someone is gay or not.

    As for the showering, I also couldn't care less. Played plenty of sports, must have been a few gays lads there, no big deal.
    If I was to head into the gym's female shower section, there's plenty of women I wouldn't want to catch sight of, and I'd imagine it may well be the same for gay men/women.
    But I can understand it being uncomfortable for some people, and they should be respected too.

    As for the footballer, I guess it's a good step in the right direction. Gets the ball rolling on the issue. Pity he felt he'd to leave the game though, but tough to ask him to take things another step.
    Hopefully it'll help others, then more can admit it and continue playing, and then it'll get to a stage when it's not required to 'come out' as nobody will give a crap about someones sexuality.

    The thing is, it doesnt matter that you dont care, because alot do! (they shouldnt but they do)

    And that would have made it difficult for him, and its not your normal crowd abuse, its something that is obviously very personal for him


  • #114
    Annasopra
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    MD1990 wrote: »
    your obviously are a very confident lad;)

    Or he just has cop on to know that it's not a big issue at all and we really don't stare at everyones mickeys!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #115
    darced
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  • #116
    efb
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    exactly..so it is definitely understandable than a man would prfer not to shower with a gay or straight man

    what men dont want communal showers- doesnt seem to be an issue at my gym


  • #117
    MaroonAndGreen
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    darced wrote: »
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    Haha true to be fair!


  • #118
    efb
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I wouldn't.


  • #119
    Annasopra
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Right ok - I get it - You think every gay man on the planet wants to stare at your penis

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #120
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    MaroonAndGreen wrote: »
    The thing is, it doesnt matter that you dont care, because alot do! (they shouldnt but they do)
    It matters to me.

    MaroonAndGreen wrote: »
    And that would have made it difficult for him, and its not your normal crowd abuse, its something that is obviously very personal for him
    I know it would have been difficult, that's why I said I understood why he left. What way did you take up my statement?


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  • #121
    efb
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    mango salsa wrote: »
    Right ok - I get it - You think every gay man on the planet wants to stare at your penis

    its either tiny or massive :eek:


  • #122
    Annasopra
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    efb - do you stare at men in communal showers?

    I certainly don't

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #123
    darced
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  • #124
    1ZRed
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    well other [players would probably not feel comfortable showering with a gay man

    This is the sh1t with some straight lads, so fuking afraid of a gay lad showering with them.

    Don't flatter yourselves we're not fantasising about what would happen if you dropped a bar of soap, it's not an erotic place to be. We just want to get in, wash our bits and get out.

    It's not like a straight lad let loose in a girl's locker room. I think that's what makes men uneasy, but thing is it's different, we have self control and we don't care.


  • #125
    MaroonAndGreen
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    mango salsa wrote: »
    Right ok - I get it - You think every gay man on the planet wants to stare at your penis

    Oh lord, I cant look at this thread anymore.. The smart and sarcastic replies are fcuking sickening.. just cos you dont agree doesnt mean you are allowed to try and belittle someone else..

    Grow up


  • #126
    DebDynamite
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Ah jaysus!!! I said I'd shower with a lesbian though. Wouldn't be comfortable showering with the opposite sex, would be comfortable showering with the same sex, be they gay or straight.


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  • #127
    Annasopra
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Fair enough - that's your problem

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #128
    MD1990
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    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Ah jaysus!!! I said I'd shower with a lesbian though. Wouldn't be comfortable showering with the opposite sex, would be comfortable showering with the same sex, be they gay or straight.
    fuk off she's mine lol:P


  • #129
    efb
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    mango salsa wrote: »
    efb - do you stare at men in communal showers?

    I certainly don't

    No. not unless its the scottish rugby dressing room and Sean Lamont's playing ;)


  • #130
    9959
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    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    So was Graeme Le Saux, for nothing more than reading The Guardian - gives you an insight into the mindset of the average football fan.

    Does it really, I'm an average football fan, or should that be a fan of average football - Shamrock Rovers - I occasionally take The Guardian, what's my mindset?
    Enlighten me please.


  • #131
    wadacrack
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    efb wrote: »
    I wouldn't.

    I can tell ur lying by the way u typed that :rolleyes:


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  • #132
    Annasopra
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    So that's 3 gay men in this thread saying they don't stare in the shower

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #133
    Rothko
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    mango salsa wrote: »
    Showers are for cleaning - as efb just said don't be flattering yourselves that us gay men only go into showers to stare at your mickeys - guess what - like everyone else we use showers to clean ourselves.

    Nobody's saying that but how many women would feel ok with showering in front of a straight man or vice versa?


  • #134
    efb
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    I can tell ur lying by the way u typed that :rolleyes:

    im really not. :cool:


  • #135
    Annasopra
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    Suas11 wrote: »
    Nobody's saying that but how many women would feel ok with showering in front of a straight man or vice versa?

    Read 1zreds reply

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #136
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    mango salsa wrote: »
    Fair enough - that's your problem

    That's a bit unfair.
    If a women is uncomfortable with a man showering with her, has she also got a 'problem'?


  • #137
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    efb wrote: »
    im really not. :cool:

    Unless it's Mr Lamont in there :p


  • #138
    efb
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    Joselyn Repulsive Crystal wrote: »
    Unless it's Mr Lamont in there :p

    He's not a woman!


  • #139
    darced
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #140
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    efb wrote: »
    He's not a woman!


    I know, but I thought you meant you fancied him.
    Apologies if I was mistaken.


  • #141
    efb
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Yes. Why not.


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  • #142
    wadacrack
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    MaroonAndGreen wrote: »
    Oh lord, I cant look at this thread anymore.. The smart and sarcastic replies are fcuking sickening.. just cos you dont agree doesnt mean you are allowed to try and belittle someone else..

    Grow up

    its sickening every reply i have left has been attacked by certain people . Peopel are very defensive about the simpliets things. Of course any men may not feel comfortable showering with gay men .Surely this is understandable


  • #143
    efb
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    munstermagic11 wrote: »
    I know, but I thought you meant you fancied him.
    Apologies I was mistaken.

    I mean if Sean Lamont stepped out of the shower EVERYONE would catch a glimpse


  • #144
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    efb wrote: »
    I mean if Sean Lamont stepped out of the shower EVERYONE would catch a glimpse
    Ahhhh... I see, my mistake.


  • #145
    darced
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #146
    efb
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    This thread had me googling sean lamont- cheers ;)


  • #147
    Annasopra
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    efb wrote: »
    This thread had me googling sean lamont- cheers ;)

    Lol - now that you mention it....

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #148
    wadacrack
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    efb wrote: »
    This thread had me googling sean lamont- cheers ;)

    probably googling sean lamont shower pics:P


  • #149
    MaroonAndGreen
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    probably googling sean lamont shower pics:P

    You'll be lucky to get away with that clearly not offensive joke around here...


  • #150
    1ZRed
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Yeah, thing is I've been changing for training for years and showering at the gym for a long time as well. I'm so used to it that I don't even care. Like I said before, it's not an erotic setting and the sight of a soft dick isn't going to cause any stir down south. It's not what I'm thinking about, I just want to get in and get out about my business.

    Gay guys have much more control because we're so used it, we don't think about sex when we're at a crowded urinal taking a piss or changing. It'd be totally different for a man in a woman's changing room though as it'd be a new experience and they'd just be thinking "sex". You're forgetting that that doesn't translate over to us, though.

    I go to the gym quite regularly with my mates, they know I'm gay and they were a bit hesitant at first, but they know I don't give a fuk and it's just being naked to change and wash up. Nothing more.

    It's insecurity that makes guys get so nervous about letting a gay lad in the showers with them, and they confirmed that. I respect them for not giving a fuk about it now, because it's not a big deal.

    It makes me laugh how some straight guys think all of them will immediately get eyed up. Half of them shouldn't flatter their hole in that regard tbh.

    And that's all I have to say on that. You can't just transale what you do and assume it applies to gay men as well without any input from them. You've been told by a few now that that's not the case, so you have your answer.


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  • #151
    j8wk2feszrnpao
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    Peopel are very defensive about the simpliets things.
    I think you've been a bit harshly treated, but from the other side it's probably a tough thing to be gay (probably more-so growing up gay) when they get abuse or treated poorly/differently for it.

    Worked with a gay lad before in an office licence. He was lucky he didn't have a mental breakdown from the abuse he got in school. He and I used to have great banter; having a laugh at each other from the other side of the fence. But we both knew it was just a laugh, so no offense was ever taken.


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