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    #1472
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Took a boozy weekend off so let my cities lapse in their respective regions back on it tomorrow, probably gonna grabd NFS from the free games list contemplated getting it on release but was broke so its a nice surprise


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    #1473
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
    i knew ds3 was flawed, but I was wondering if nfs most wanted was equally flawed?

    I don't know about Most Wanted. But Criterion are a reputable developer and NFS:MW's predecessor NFS:Hot Pursuit was pure quality.


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    #1474
    ShaneU
    Registered Users Posts: 14,845 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    bRkUGb0.jpg


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    #1475
    IRL_Sinister
    Registered Users Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭IRL_Sinister


    ShaneU wrote: »
    image

    So many people won't get this, lol.


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    #1476
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    nesf wrote: »
    Nah, it'll literally be the numbers (i.e. revenue of the company) that decides the fate of an EA CEO, the company is too big and too diverse platform wise for the bungling of the release of a product on one platform alone to be a big factor. Now if Battlefield 3 had been an utter disaster and sold really badly...

    Sim City would have been the final nail in the coffin though with the failed Take-two merger, the failure of Pandemic, the failure of the old republic, the failure to reboot MOH and a very expensive take over of Popcap.

    their share price is also a third of what it was before he took over and im willing to bet the quarterly report due out next month wont be fantastic reading


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    #1477
    nesf
    Registered Users Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    NTMK wrote: »
    Sim City would have been the final nail in the coffin though with the failed Take-two merger, the failure of Pandemic, the failure of the old republic, the failure to reboot MOH and a very expensive take over of Popcap.

    their share price is also a third of what it was before he took over and im willing to bet the quarterly report due out next month wont be fantastic reading

    Sure but with the way EA have been doing the past few years I don't think a decent Sim City launch would have saved him.


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    #1478
    NTMK
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    nesf wrote: »
    Sure but with the way EA have been doing the past few years I don't think a decent Sim City launch would have saved him.

    no maybe kept him there a bit longer but the sim city failure may have hammered home the point that EA's brand has taken an unmerciful beating by the community.

    Sim city sold ~1.1 million copies, a great sales success but with the failure of the game and the sheer lies that came out of EA/Maxis the next sim city game wont/shouldnt do nearly as well

    and sim city isnt the only brand of EA's that has been damaged under his tenure either.

    The axe was definitely going to fall on him eventually but i would have guessed it would have been after the quarterly and after the Bf4 reveal


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    #1479
    nesf
    Registered Users Posts: 27,645 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    NTMK wrote: »
    no maybe kept him there a bit longer but the sim city failure may have hammered home the point that EA's brand has taken an unmerciful beating by the community.

    Sim city sold ~1.1 million copies, a great sales success but with the failure of the game and the sheer lies that came out of EA/Maxis the next sim city game wont/shouldnt do nearly as well

    and sim city isnt the only brand of EA's that has been damaged under his tenure either.

    The axe was definitely going to fall on him eventually but i would have guessed it would have been after the quarterly and after the Bf4 reveal

    True, hard to say how much internal politics was going on too. Maybe Forbes or FT might do an article on it.


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    #1480
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,772 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    It doesnt escape my notice that the CEO was in place about as long as I've been hating on EA. Correlation remains to be seen though, but, I'll watch the company. Their defunct customer service however has always been an issue, but it is one he never fixed. I can only hope for their sake they install someone that puts the customer first, and realizes that customer is a Gamer.


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    #1481
    Blisterman
    Registered Users Posts: 7,456 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    Got my email for the new game. Not really into shooters or racing games, so I'm leaning towards Simcity 4, which is actually the only one of the series I haven't played. Is it much of a step up from 3000?


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    #1482
    Wonda-Boy
    Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    And they wonder why piracy is rife in the PC industry getting fcuked over like this....BF4 can kiss my ass. I would be very hard pushed to buy an EA game again.


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    #1483
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    i dont think they wonder why piracy is rife in the pc industry, they know it's because pc gamers are entitled little ****s who expect hours of quality content for free.


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    #1484
    joe123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Slutmonkey57b wrote: »
    Let's say you spent €60 on this game, which is totally broken and not fit for purpose. Under any decent consumer law you're entitled to immediate refund, repair or replacement. They're not going to fix it, according to their lying public comments. They can't replace it as your individual copy isn't defective, the whole batch is. Therefore the only option is a refund.

    As has already been pointed out, offering a ten year old game as a like for like replacement is just another slap in the face.

    I personally think people are making way to much out of the problems. Ive heard people say 'the highest speed setting isnt working so its virtually unplayable'. No its not virtually unplayable.

    Sure there is a lot not wroking right at the minute, but I was pointing out that with that amazon post that wasnt even EAs fault yet they got the blame. They mention amazon give 40 dollars worth yet dont mention the fact ea are giving a free game plus that 15 percent thing.

    People losing their **** over the smallest things. Calm down. People should read reviews etc next time before buying a game or wait a couple of days to see if there are issues.

    No one held a gun to your head to buy the game. So much moral out rage.


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    #1485
    Dcully
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    I personally think people are making way to much out of the problems.

    So losing 5+ cities and every city you make bar your very first one acceptable to you? That renders the game unplayable.
    Not to mention the remaining mountain of issues.
    You have some neck making such a statement.
    Let me ask you, did you buy the game in good faith with honest cash?


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    #1486
    Dcully
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    BlitzKrieg wrote: »
    dead space 3 or need for speed most wanted?

    I'm a fan of both genres, so really the question is if need for speed most wanted is any good?


    Got bored of it after two hours or so.


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    #1487
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    OSI wrote: »
    OOhhhhh... BURN!

    Go back to paying €70 for a rehash of last years game!


    no thanks. if I don't think a game looks good I just won't buy it because I have no interest in playing it. I don't think it's my god given right to play every piece of **** that comes out because I have a broadband connection.


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    #1488
    Dcully
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 14,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dcully


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    no thanks. if I don't think a game looks good I just won't buy it because I have no interest in playing it. I don't think it's my god given right to play every piece of **** that comes out because I have a broadband connection.


    Generalizing is a dangerous game.


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    #1489
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    im not talking about sim city, i was answering the "no wonder piracy is rife on pc" as some sort of justification for wholesale thievary on pc

    people who bought sim city have every right to be unbelievably pissed off


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    #1490
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    joe123 wrote: »

    I personally think people are making way to much out of the problems. Ive heard people say 'the highest speed setting isnt working so its virtually unplayable'. No its not virtually unplayable.

    Sure there is a lot not wroking right at the minute, but I was pointing out that with that amazon post that wasnt even EAs fault yet they got the blame. They mention amazon give 40 dollars worth yet dont mention the fact ea are giving a free game plus that 15 percent thing.

    I think you need to have a look at some of the thread again. There are no "little issues" with sim city. The whole game, from the very ground up, is totally borked and does not work. This is the equivalent of ordering a shot of vodka in a bar, and being handed a pint of Guinness with a turd sticking out of it.
    People losing their **** over the smallest things. Calm down. People should read reviews etc next time before buying a game or wait a couple of days to see if there are issues.

    No one held a gun to your head to buy the game. So much moral out rage.
    You definitely need to read the thread. The reviews you claim people should have read all stated the game was brilliant, flawless, and detailed. it turns out that the professional reviewers were for the most part nothing better than paid shills for EA's marketing team who gave it 9/10 reviews without really playing it at all.


    Going back to our analogy, would you complain to the barman about your Guinness avec turd, or not?


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    #1491
    humanji
    Registered Users Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Dcully wrote: »
    So losing 5+ cities and every city you make bar your very first one acceptable to you? That renders the game unplayable.
    Not to mention the remaining mountain of issues.
    You have some neck making such a statement.
    Let me ask you, did you buy the game in good faith with honest cash?
    Not to defend the state of the game or anything, but there was more to the post than that one line.


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    #1492
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    im not talking about sim city, i was answering the "no wonder piracy is rife on pc" as some sort of justification for wholesale thievary on pc

    people who bought sim city have every right to be unbelievably pissed off

    I think the point the poster was trying to make was that in trying to combat piracy like this, all that happens is that genuine customers get screwed over. Pirates will not only crack the game in a matter of days, and will get a better experience than . people who paid for it.

    Therefore, the company is actually creating an inventive for more people to pirate the game, rather than rewarding them for not pirating it.


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    #1493
    Laviski
    Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭Laviski


    perfect example of this is anno2070.


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    #1494
    joe123
    Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Slutmonkey57b wrote: »
    I think you need to have a look at some of the thread again. There are no "little issues" with sim city. The whole game, from the very ground up, is totally borked and does not work. This is the equivalent of ordering a shot of vodka in a bar, and being handed a pint of Guinness with a turd sticking out of it.


    You definitely need to read the thread. The reviews you claim people should have read all stated the game was brilliant, flawless, and detailed. it turns out that the professional reviewers were for the most part nothing better than paid shills for EA's marketing team who gave it 9/10 reviews without really playing it at all.


    Going back to our analogy, would you complain to the barman about your Guinness avec turd, or not?

    I checked metacritic the day of release and only found a handful of reviews. That in itself shows that reviews were being held back. No one forced anyone to fork over 60 quid.



    I totally agree games shouldnt be released with such issues, but listening to some peopke its like its a crime worse than murder.

    What was stopping people from waiting a week to see how the game faired? The user score on metacritic was down at 1 from the off.


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    #1495
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    joe123 wrote: »
    The user score on metacritic was down at 1 from the off.

    Alot of first reviews was the anti drm crowd spamming it with neg reviews while not buying the game, I reckon looking at the dates only reviews posted 1 day after launch could actually be from people who own the game


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    #1496
    SB2013
    Closed Accounts Posts: 805 ✭✭✭SB2013


    Anyone who even looks at metacriric as a guide has no business playing games.

    As it stands I think the game is playing fine. I was very pissed off on launch and I'm in no way defending the drm or EA but I don't think it's correct to say the game is broken from the ground up.


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    #1497
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    SB2013 wrote: »
    Anyone who even looks at metacriric as a guide has no business playing games.

    As it stands I think the game is playing fine. I was very pissed off on launch and I'm in no way defending the drm or EA but I don't think it's correct to say the game is broken from the ground up.

    I would diasgree, its pretty broken considering the AI problems and the massive spoofing of population figures, which makes it impossible to achieve any balance in a city


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    #1498
    Drexel
    Registered Users Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭Drexel


    SB2013 wrote: »
    Anyone who even looks at metacriric as a guide has no business playing games.

    As it stands I think the game is playing fine. I was very pissed off on launch and I'm in no way defending the drm or EA but I don't think it's correct to say the game is broken from the ground up.

    How much of the game have you played? If you take a detailed look at the numbers, none of them add up. Population of 100k. 7K workers!! 50K jobs but 20k filled. The game is broken. The traffic is a joke. The RCI doesnt work. I have a city with residential only. If I hover over a building they are all asking where the shopping is yet no commercial demand in the RCI! Dont even ask about the fire engines all heading to the one fire. Then getting stuck in traffic.


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    #1499
    Jonny7
    Registered Users Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    SB2013 wrote: »
    Anyone who even looks at metacriric as a guide has no business playing games.

    As it stands I think the game is playing fine. I was very pissed off on launch and I'm in no way defending the drm or EA but I don't think it's correct to say the game is broken from the ground up.

    I would tend to disagree too.. there are some pretty glaring broken mechanics to the game, being able to build a flourishing city by upgrading roads only doesn't exactly inspire confidence.


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    #1500
    Reekwind
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    im not talking about sim city, i was answering the "no wonder piracy is rife on pc" as some sort of justification for wholesale thievary on pc
    An explanation, or even part of one, is not justification

    Nobody here has said 'people should pirate this game'. Instead it was pointed out that this sort of anti-consumerist behaviour does not exactly inspire devoted brand loyalty. At which point you took it as your cue to jump in and call PC gamers "entitled little ****s". Classy
    SB2013 wrote:
    As it stands I think the game is playing fine. I was very pissed off on launch and I'm in no way defending the drm or EA but I don't think it's correct to say the game is broken from the ground up.
    It's an interesting one. When people cry about something being 'unplayable' or 'broken' then it's usually hyperbole over an unstable or buggy game. But here it looks like the game is largely stable and playable (when EA allows you to) but the core game mechanics are dodgy at best


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    #1501
    Slutmonkey57b
    Registered Users Posts: 5,560 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    Reekwind wrote: »
    An explanation, or even part of one, is not justification

    Nobody here has said 'people should pirate this game'. Instead it was pointed out that this sort of anti-consumerist behaviour does not exactly inspire devoted brand loyalty. At which point you took it as your cue to jump in and call PC gamers "entitled little ****s". Classy

    It's an interesting one. When people cry about something being 'unplayable' or 'broken' then it's usually hyperbole over an unstable or buggy game. But here it looks like the game is largely stable and playable (when EA allows you to) but the core game mechanics are dodgy at best

    Which means you're not really playing a game, you're making random moves and glassbox is making random, or unconnected, responses.


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