Would you wear an Easter Lily?

Happyman42

Thomas_I wrote: »

Such days are not to celebrations, more for thinking, listen and remembrance.

Why? I'll celebrate the people who won my freedom, thank you very much. I hold no shame in my heart about the efforts they made.

Thomas_I

Happyman42 wrote: »

Why? I'll celebrate the people who won my freedom, thank you very much. I hold no shame in my heart about the efforts they made.

Yes, of course, but still imo it´s also a sad thing because without Irelands occupation by the British, these people could have lived on. Some talents among those executed. Aside from that this was the starting point in the way to gain Irish freedom (even for the price of partition) I also think of that. Pearse, Connolly just to mention a few names. I won´t tell any further of my thinking about what could had been (in a wider context) if Dev had not been spared the execution squad, or if Cathal Brugha had not survived the Easter Rising, oh no I won´t tell.

It´s not a matter of holding some shame for what they did, it´s a matter of remembrance - aside from celebration, but that´s just my opinion.

R P McMurphy

Thomas_I wrote: »

So what? That doesn´t makes him a war criminal because that´s the usual thing in wars, killing the enemy. It´s standard by people who oppose Churchill to brand him a racist. I think that such attitudes were quite common among plenty of Europeans at that time in many countries of Europe.

Feel free to name one of those "hundres of thousand of Englishmen and women who are far more worthwhile of the title "the greates Englishman who ever lived" and if you bother to do so, you can also point out their achievements for the common good. Without Churchill you´d be probably speak German as a scond language and serve anywhere in the world for the "Greater German Empire". How´d that be as a prospect to you?

Thats an easy one: Thomas Paine. Easily one of the greatest english people to have lived

old hippy

That time of year again, is it? I don't do poppies or lillies but I have no problem with people that do.

Boyne Standard

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Says it was false.



Acknowledges it was true.



Denies reality.

Bing blang blaow - close the internet. :pac:

They armed themselves against Home Rule, which wasn't a United Ireland anyway. Saying partition only happened because of threats of violence isn't true.

It might upset you that partition and self determination for Protestants in Ulster happened but get over it.

Chuck Stone

Boyne Standard wrote: »

Saying partition only happened because of threats of violence isn't true.

It is true.

It might upset you that partition and self determination for Protestants in Ulster happened but get over it.

Yup. Cry myself to sleep every night over it.

mathepac

Boyne Standard wrote: »

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It might upset you that partition and self determination for Protestants in Ulster happened but get over it.

You mean the gerrymandered Six Counties - Ulster has nine counties and has Protestants in all of them. The Brits needed the ports and the ship-building and rigged the "border" to suit the outcome they wanted. They cared not a jot for the people and still don't and would I suspect gladly dump the lot of you into UI given a chance.

Boyne Standard

It is true.

No it isn't. There was many reasons why it happened. Saying it was down to violence is a nonsense argument. There was many political and economic reasons within the British Empire.

You mean the gerrymandered Six Counties - Ulster has nine counties and has Protestants in all of them. The Brits needed the ports and the ship-building and rigged the "border" to suit the outcome they wanted. They cared not a jot for the people and still don't and would I suspect gladly dump the lot of you into UI given a chance.

Self determination might upset you but that is what happened and that is why two separate states exist. Time to get over it. They didn't want to join a state dominated by the Catholic church and highly influenced by the Catholic Church. Having their kids sexually abused and being thrown into slavery.

Happyman42

Boyne Standard wrote: »

Self determination

They certainly took the 'self' bit seriously. They might be in a secure state now if they hadn't been quite so 'self motivated' and you should know that by now Keith.

mathepac

Boyne Standard wrote: »

... There was many reasons why it happened. Saying it was down to violence is a nonsense argument. There was many political and economic reasons within the British Empire. ...

Were Keef, were; use HM the Queen's English.

Boyne Standard wrote: »

... They didn't want to join a state dominated by the Catholic church and highly influenced by the Catholic Church. ...

They chose instead to join with a state where the Head of State is the Pope of the Anglican Church and where senior clergy or bishops, as Lords of the Church, get seats in the House of Lords and can influence legislation.

Perfectly logical division of Church and State affairs, completely different to what we do in Ireland, much less confusing. Well done England, well done Keef.

Boyne Standard wrote: »

... Having their kids sexually abused and being thrown into slavery.

Once again Keef, use HM the Queen's English. This is not a complete sentence.

I wasn't aware that the sexual abuse of children by members of the Catholic clergy happened or was common knowledge in the early 20th century, but if you say so Keef it must of course be true. When would a true-blue wanna-be Brit bend the truth or lie?

Fratton Fred

mathepac wrote: »

Were Keef, were; use HM the Queen's English.
They chose instead to join with a state where the Head of State is the Pope of the Anglican Church and where senior clergy or bishops, as Lords of the Church, get seats in the House of Lords and can influence legislation.

Perfectly logical division of Church and State affairs, completely different to what we do in Ireland, much less confusing. Well done England, well done Keef.

Once again Keef, use HM the Queen's English. This is not a complete sentence.

I wasn't aware that the sexual abuse of children by members of the Catholic clergy happened or was common knowledge in the early 20th century, but if you say so Keef it must of course be true. When would a true-blue wanna-be Brit bend the truth or lie?

Please tell me you aren't trying to do Dick Van Dyke type English accent?

Thomas_I

mathepac wrote: »

Were Keef, were; use HM the Queen's English.
...
Once again Keef, use HM the Queen's English. This is not a complete sentence.
...

Since when belongs a language to a monarch? :pac:

mathepac

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Please tell me you aren't trying to do Dick Van Dyke type English accent?

Gosh no. I can do a range of good accents and even worked undercover on both Eastenders and Emmerdale undetected for years. I started on the Archers but was quickly promoted to TV, sorry "telly", once my rare talent was recognised.

Suffering from PTSD I was pensioned off years ago.

Thomas_I wrote: »

Since when belongs a language to a monarch? :pac:

It's like, a turn of phrase maite, innit. Like the dog's b***** or a dog's dinner or the cat's pyjamas; know wot I mean, eh, innit?

Hunterbiker

That term relates to Received Pronunciation. Its a standard of spoken English.
It makes sure ya talk propa innit...

Chuck Stone

Thomas_I wrote: »

Since when belongs a language to a monarch? :pac:

'Speak the Queen's English' is what some people say in place of 'speak properly'.

Fratton Fred

mathepac wrote: »

Gosh no. I can do a range of good accents and even worked undercover on both Eastenders and Emmerdale undetected for years. I started on the Archers but was quickly promoted to TV, sorry "telly", once my rare talent was recognised.

Suffering from PTSD I was pensioned off years ago.
It's like, a turn of phrase maite, innit. Like the dog's b***** or a dog's dinner or the cat's pyjamas; know wot I mean, eh, innit?

I just wanted to be sure to be sure what in the name of jaysus you do ne talking about, so.

Now I do, shure, tis grand so.

Top o da mornin to ya!

Hunterbiker

mathepac wrote: »

They chose instead to join with a state where the Head of State is the Pope of the Anglican Church and where senior clergy or bishops, as Lords of the Church, get seats in the House of Lords and can influence legislation...

I doubt she'd use the term Pope

You can say 1 thing about 'The Lords Spiritual'as they are known in the UK and that is at least they are in plain sight and not (as The Catholic Church in Ireland was) pulling the strings in secret and generally repressing / making daily life in Ireland crap as they did...

As with all other Peers (Lords) any Power they might wield is limited by Parliament.

Chuck Stone

Wen ze seeguells folleau ze trawleur, eet iz becuese zey think sardeens will be threun into ze see.

Thomas_I

mathepac wrote: »

Gosh no. I can do a range of good accents and even worked undercover on both Eastenders and Emmerdale undetected for years. I started on the Archers but was quickly promoted to TV, sorry "telly", once my rare talent was recognised.

Soap TV

mathepac wrote: »

Suffering from PTSD I was pensioned off years ago.

Sorry for that.

mathepac wrote: »

It's like, a turn of phrase maite, innit. Like the dog's b***** or a dog's dinner or the cat's pyjamas; know wot I mean, eh, innit?

Yes, yes.

mathepac

Hunterbiker wrote: »

I doubt she'd use the term Pope ...

Sure we'll let her, the job is up for grabs anyway. She can send in her CV and prepare to leave the old job to Charlie before he expires.

Hunterbiker wrote: »

... at least they are in plain sight and not (as The Catholic Church in Ireland was) pulling the strings in secret and generally repressing / making daily life in Ireland crap as they did....

But maybe dey done de boat a' dem, as Keef or Fratton_Fred might say

Happyman42

mathepac wrote: »

Sure we'll let her, the job is up for grabs anyway. She can send in her CV and prepare to leave the old job to Charlie before he expires.

She has all the garb too.

sesswhat

I'm suprised how well this thread is going. I was afraid it might have descended into insults before now.

Hunterbiker

She'd need the funny hat and I think he has more dresses...

Hunterbiker

mathepac wrote: »

Sure we'll let her, the job is up for grabs anyway.

Really! I don't know though, the pay isn't as good and she'd have to keep us Catholics in line and keep an eye on Enda and Co...

Happyman42

Hunterbiker wrote: »

Really! I don't know though, the pay isn't as good and she'd have to keep us Catholics in line and keep an eye on Enda and Co...

The monarchy has been keeping 'Catholics in line' for many centuries now.

Hunterbiker

Very true. Sounds like HMQ is a shoe-in for the job. She just needs to swap the crown for the pointy hat

Fratton Fred

mathepac wrote: »

But maybe dey done de boat a' dem, as Keef or Fratton_Fred might say

Deadly.

mathepac

Hunterbiker wrote: »

... I think he has more dresses...

Frocks, bad priests used to get de-frocked wheres as good ones got re-frocked. The bad ones were told "Get the frock outta here, pronto".

As for Lizzie, she'd be on'y scarle', scarle' I'm telling yiz, if annie a' her fellahs wore a nicer frock dan her at de openin' a' Parliament.

blindside88

Can anyone tell me where I can buy an Easter lily in carlow or Kilkenny?

LordSutch

Your local Sinn Fein office I guess?

blindside88

LordSutch wrote: »

Your local Sinn Fein office I guess?

There is no Sinn Fein office in carlow or Kilkenny (as far as I can see on their website) are they for sale anywhere else does anyone know?

delthedriver

No. Never will wear an Easter Lily!

To wear the Lily for me would be displaying a badge supporting terrorism.

So the purchase of an Easter lily will remain off my shopping list.

TheUsual

I do.

Bought one years ago, still looks new.

Norwesterner

Crooked Jack wrote: »

You are wrong. It mostly goes to the upkeep of republican graves and memorials such as those in Glasnevin Cemetery.
Just check who you are buying it off. If it's a dissident crowd then it likely goes to a prisoner fund. Otherwise it's graves and the like.

If SF are selling it, it's likely going to end up with them.
If you want your donation to go to upkeep of graves and monuments etc buy them off the National Graves Association.
They are non-party political.
I'd wear a Lily but certainly wouldn't buy them off PSF.

Incidentally, Republican prisoners in the North have been warned they'll be faced with solitary confinement if they wear the Lily inside.
It's an all-Republican wing so there's no question of offence.
Both prison officers and Loyalist prisoners are allowed to wear the poppy, but the Lily is deemed a criminal offence.
The Republican prisoners are all going to wear them and will be punished over the next few days.

delthedriver

Norwesterner wrote: »

If SF are selling it, it's likely going to end up with them.
If you want your donation to go to upkeep of graves and monuments etc buy them off the National Graves Association.
They are non-party political.
I'd wear a Lily but certainly wouldn't buy them off PSF.

Incidentally, Republican prisoners in the North have been warned they'll be faced with solitary confinement if they wear the Lily inside.
It's an all-Republican wing so there's no question of offence.
Both prison officers and Loyalist prisoners are allowed to wear the poppy, but the Lily is deemed a criminal offence.
The Republican prisoners are all going to wear them and will be punished over the next few days.

Rules are rules!

PS. Do SF seek or require a permit to sell their Easter Lilly badges in a public place?

Norwesterner

delthedriver wrote: »

Rules are rules!

Yes.
And apparently the rules are...
The Poppy must be respected and the Lily must be vilified.

Norwesterner

delthedriver wrote: »

Rules are rules!

PS. Do SF seek or require a permit to sell their Easter Lilly badges in a public place?

Traditionally, they didn't as a badge of civil resistance and as they refused to recognise the State...
But, I'm sure they do today.

delthedriver

Norwesterner wrote: »

Traditionally, they didn't as a badge of civil resistance and as they refused to recognise the State...
But, I'm sure they do today.

Interesting, so if the badges are sold by the Gravesides Association, the monies go towards the upkeep of graves in Glasnevin Cemetery.

On the other hand if they are sold by SF , the money raised goes into Party funds. For what?

Norwesterner

delthedriver wrote: »

Interesting, so if the badges are sold by the Gravesides Association, the monies go towards the upkeep of graves in Glasnevin Cemetery.

On the other hand if they are sold by SF , the money raised goes into Party funds. For what?

Not just Glasnevin.
There are hundreds of little monuments and plaques up and down the country, in country crossroads and town squares etc.
I've no idea what PSF do with their money, nor care.

GRMA

blindside88 wrote: »

There is no Sinn Fein office in carlow or Kilkenny (as far as I can see on their website) are they for sale anywhere else does anyone know?

NGA website is the best place. Buy an enamel one and you'll have it for years

GRMA

delthedriver wrote: »

Rules are rules!

PS. Do SF seek or require a permit to sell their Easter Lilly badges in a public place?

They do get a permit.

Says a lot about where the party is now that they do such a thing.

Iwasfrozen

Norwesterner wrote: »

I've no idea what PSF do with their money, nor care.

Well maybe you should. I do.

delthedriver

Perhaps it is time to wind this annual thread up.

I think it is safe to say that posters will agree to disagree on this one

McDermotX

Ned Flanders: Well, I guess this is a case where we'll have to agree to disagree.
Principal Skinner: I don't agree to that.
Mrs. Krabappel: Neither do I.