What is a PC Brigade and how has it stifled you?

GoldenLight

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm not having a go at you specifically old hippy but this is exactly the type of thing the pc brigade do-

They try guilt you into supporting all of their little causes and if you don't you're a bad person or 'part of the problem'.

I just don't care about things like gay adoption or what toilet a trans gender person uses so I must be a bad person :rolleyes:

You are right, there is alot of things out there, I couldn't give a figs about, and no one should make you feel as if you should care about everything. That just guilt selling (no human has the process to defend everything that might be wrong in this world)

You are also right it I wasn't transgendered myself I wouldn't give two hoots, where the toliet was, as long as I can go I would be happy.

Hence why I was wondering why most post in this thread are talking about it, and even exasperating it beyond the 5 toilets in Brighton, and possibly to be Manchester, and make wilde assumption that England will have unisex toilets only in the next 10 years.

I am transgendered and I do worry about it, it is a big deal to me, but if I wasn't it probably wouldn't be, but I'm prity sure I wouldn't be up in arms about 5 public toliets going unisex, in a city in England, that I never visited, and use that as an example how the PC brigade have gone mad either.

Oranage2

mango salsa wrote: »

This.

I care when my trans friends get verbally abused on a daily basis. I care when some of my trans friends cannot access employment because they are trans. I care when the lgbt community excludes my friend because she is in a wheelchair. I care when racist abuse is thrown at my friends near where I work.

So yeah call me a pc bleeding heart liberal leftie commie whatever.

well maybe you caring is part of the problem, I heard some possibly American comedian say if everyone started using the N word then it would lose all offense.

also the whole lgbt community discriminate against people in wheel chairs?

*clippity clop*

I hear a brigade approach

How Soon Is Now

mango salsa wrote: »

This.

I care when my trans friends get verbally abused on a daily basis. I care when some of my trans friends cannot access employment because they are trans. I care when the lgbt community excludes my friend because she is in a wheelchair. I care when racist abuse is thrown at my friends near where I work.

So yeah call me a pc bleeding heart liberal leftie commie whatever.

Do you collect minority groups as a hobby? I can't wait to hear about your blind turbin wearing friend....

Annasopra

Oranage2 wrote: »

well maybe you caring is part of the problem,

If the whole world didn't care then minorities would get trampled over

Chuck Stone

Oranage2 wrote: »

*clippity clop*

I hear a brigade approach

Only brigade commanders get a horse.




Some day...

CreepingDeath

mango salsa wrote: »

I care when my trans friends get verbally abused on a daily basis.

There's already legislation in place for all of that, why aren't they using it?
What are we talking about... living in a rough area and a few teenagers shouting insults?

mango salsa wrote: »

I care when some of my trans friends cannot access employment because they are trans.

There's already legislation in place for that.
If you can prove discrimination then sue them, otherwise this is conjecture.

mango salsa wrote: »

I care when the lgbt community excludes my friend because she is in a wheelchair.

So now you're bringing up social exclusion ?
That actually detracts from your other points.
People have the freedom to socialise with whoever they want, typically in peer groups.
That's human nature.
Otherwise I can complain about being socially excluded by a female Swedish volleyball team.

mango salsa wrote: »

I care when racist abuse is thrown at my friends near where I work.

Again... there's legislation for this.
Are the perpetrators adults?
Or are you including children/teens hanging around on the street?

twinQuins

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Do you collect minority groups as a hobby? I can't wait to hear about your blind turbin wearing friend....

Holy ****, it's as if people with common interests or shared characteristics get together and form friendships! Quick! You have to get the word out so other people can start doing it as this is clearly something that has never been done in the entirety of human history!

dr.bollocko

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'm not having a go at you specifically old hippy but this is exactly the type of thing the pc brigade do-

They try guilt you into supporting all of their little causes and if you don't you're a bad person or 'part of the problem'.

I just don't care about things like gay adoption or what toilet a trans gender person uses so I must be a bad person :rolleyes:

It's not not caring that's a problem. It's morons muddying waters by spouting ill-informed bile.

Don't care: ignore. Do care and take issue with allowing a minority to be respected: DANG OLE PC BRIGADE PINKO BLEEDING HEART LEFTY LOONY FRINGE RUINING EVERYTHING.


There's many a valid right wing opinion. But there's also many a one spouted that's so beyond stupid one wonders how the keyboard and brain gets engages simultaneously. And it's the latter which gets spouted in After Hours the overwhelmingly huge majority of the time.

This crew are the crew who infer that the PC brigade is to blame for everything.

I can't even say all the blacks, travellers, women, immigrants etc. are all lazy bone-idle lay abouts scrounging off the state because of the PC BRIGADE!


The PC brigade goes under many names. Generally you can ignore completely the arguments of anyone who invokes the phrase. Or, say, pinko, leftie, liberal, libtard, bleeding heart etc.

From my POV it would serve quite well to be called the not quite a complete fuckhole intent on pushing their own small world view to everyone else brigade in most cases. However that isn't quite as catchy.


"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. "

9959

Oranage2 wrote: »

well maybe you caring is part of the problem, I heard some possibly American comedian say if everyone started using the N word then it would lose all offense.

also the whole lgbt community discriminate against people in wheel chairs?

*clippity clop*

I hear a brigade approach

If "caring is part of the problem" to any injustice, then what's the solution - not caring.

Perhaps if Rosa Parks 'didn't care' and had given her bus seat to a white person as instructed, none of this equality nonsense would ever have surfaced, what do you think?

ejmaztec

9959 wrote: »

If "caring is part of the problem" to any injustice, then what's the solution - not caring.

Perhaps if Rosa Parks 'didn't care' and had given her bus seat to a white person as instructed, none of this equality nonsense would ever have surfaced, what do you think?

Victims always care, the grey area is the rest of humanity.

pickarooney

9959 wrote: »

If "caring is part of the problem" to any injustice, then what's the solution - not caring.

Perhaps if Rosa Parks 'didn't care' and had given her bus seat to a white person as instructed, none of this equality nonsense would ever have surfaced, what do you think?

By the same token if nobody cared where she sat there wouldn't be an issue. Maybe true equality is everyone not giving a ****?

Oranage2

9959 wrote: »

If "caring is part of the problem" to any injustice, then what's the solution - not caring.

Perhaps if Rosa Parks 'didn't care' and had given her bus seat to a white person as instructed, none of this equality nonsense would ever have surfaced, what do you think?

okay I'll admit that little anecdote was stupid.

hooradiation

CreepingDeath wrote: »

You're lowering the thread to petty name calling and you're being condescending about the intelligence of a group of people with a different opinion to yours.

Anyone who considers treating people poorly on the basis of superficial differences to be an "opinion" and therefore said opinion ought to be respected has made a very basic mistake.

Your opinions are not sacred and never have been. You are not entitled to your opinions. Labeling something as "you opinion" doesn't end the conversation and it's not mean if other people don't respect the sanctity that you hold your opinion in.

If you have shitty opinions then other people get to call you out on it.

Deal w/it.

kunst nugget

pickarooney wrote: »

By the same token if nobody cared where she sat there wouldn't be an issue. Maybe true equality is everyone not giving a ****?

Well, it's swings and roundabouts really. I wouldn't give a sh¡t if a gay couple wanted to marry or adopt kids but because other people give a sh¡t and want to stop them means I have to give a sh¡t and say I support gay marriage and adoption. Honestly, if it comes to pass and it is legalised and accepted in society, I won't give a sh¡t anymore because it's up to the individuals involved if they want to go ahead with it. I don't give a sh¡t what a person's skin colour, orientation or disability is but I do give a sh¡t that some other people want to make an issue of it and discriminate against them because of it.

But you can't really not give a **** about whether a person has wheelchair access to facilities they may need.

CreepingDeath

hooradiation wrote: »

Anyone who considers treating people poorly on the basis of superficial differences to be an "opinion" and therefore said opinion ought to be respected has made a very basic mistake.

Who said anything about directly treating people badly?
That's the big mistake in your argument.

People can be anti-pc without directly attacking or abusing certain group members.

Being anti-pc can mean being against granting specific extra concessions for a minority group, eg. different toilets, right to wear own headgear, that the majority don't get.

hooradiation wrote: »

You are not entitled to your opinions.

:rolleyes:

hooradiation

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Who said anything about directly treating people badly?
That's the big mistake in your argument.

Not at all.
You're making an arbitrary distinction because you don't want to be seen as to for "bad things" like racism but you want enough wiggle room so you can complain about anything else because "common sense" and "reverse discrimination"

The idea that people have different needs to you seems to be alien, as is the concept that catering to these will have exactly zero impact on you, unless you want to whine about it for the sake of whining about it.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

:rolleyes:

It will come as a surprise to you, but you are not entitled to your opinion. Nobody is.
The axiom that "everyone is entitled to their opinion" is a lie. You are only entitled to what you can argue for.


Have fun with that.

Lou.m

old hippy wrote: »

Has the PC Brigade stifled you lately? Has it had a direct impact on your day to day life? Have you any amusing anecdotes about it going mad, somewhere in your locality?

Answers in red crayon, please.

It has got men and particularly whitemen thinking they need more rights than they had for years. Women's lib was not a humanist movement it was to point out gross injustice.

We can't have men paying more insurance despite the fact that they crash more and people are forced to pay more or less based on where you live or your job.


Men particularly white middle class men are spoiled rotten when it comes to having their rights respected and protected. Having men's special interest groups is justified by it's PC.

How Soon Is Now

Lou.m wrote: »

It has got men and particularly whitemen thinking they need more rights than they had for years. Women's lib was not a humanist movement it was to point out gross injustice.

We can't have men paying more insurance despite the fact that they crash more and people are forced to pay more or less based on where you live or your job.


Men particularly white middle class men are spoiled rotten when it comes to having their rights respected and protected. Having men's special interest groups is justified by it's PC.

Out of interest are you male or female?

kunst nugget

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Out of interest are you male or female?

Obviously, she's a black lesbian cripple. The worst kind of pinko pc do gooder there is. Grrrr!

How Soon Is Now

kunst nugget wrote: »

Obviously, she's a black lesbian cripple. The worst kind of pinko pc do gooder there is. Grrrr!

The way this thread has gone i feel i have to ask what gender someone is before assuming.....

Links234

To me this anti-PC nonsense is mostly just a way to sell papers by making one exaggerated claim after another of "PC Gone MAAAAD!" where the facts are twisted beyond recognition in order to cause outrage, Richard Littlejohn and Jeremy Clarkson are masters at claiming how "You can't say ... anymore!" yet saying it anyway and getting cheered on for sticking it to all those jumped up people who have the audacity not to be a straight white English man. Nope, you're not railing against the oppressive PC regime, you're just helping to line the pockets of the Daily Fail's of this world and they're laughing all the way to the bank.

I don't think someone's acting a "total c**t" if they're anti-PC, I just think they're a bit of a sap.

Annasopra

CreepingDeath wrote: »

There's already legislation in place for all of that, why aren't they using it?
What are we talking about... living in a rough area and a few teenagers shouting insults?

There's already legislation in place for that.
If you can prove discrimination then sue them, otherwise this is conjecture.

So now you're bringing up social exclusion ?
That actually detracts from your other points.
People have the freedom to socialise with whoever they want, typically in peer groups.
That's human nature.
Otherwise I can complain about being socially excluded by a female Swedish volleyball team.

Again... there's legislation for this.
Are the perpetrators adults?
Or are you including children/teens hanging around on the street?

Wow - legislation solves everything and makes the world an egalitarian utopia. Who knew.

Links234

angerfist2009 wrote: »

The way this thread has gone i feel i have to ask what gender someone is before assuming.....

Aw, why not console yourself with a gender neutral vegan caffine free vanilla chai latte?

Vet Thrower

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Annasopra

pickarooney wrote: »

By the same token if nobody cared where she sat there wouldn't be an issue. Maybe true equality is everyone not giving a ****?

Therein the problem - that she was treated as dirt because of the colour of her skin

CreepingDeath

hooradiation wrote: »

The idea that people have different needs to you seems to be alien

There's a difference between "needs" and "wants".

Do disabled people need access to state buildings and public transport?

Yes.

Are transgender people unable to use a standard toilet?
Are Indians unable to wear a standard Garda cap?

No.

And don't get me started on the people claiming all sorts of things are their "human rights".

hooradiation wrote: »

It will come as a surprise to you, but you are not entitled to your opinion.

... You are only entitled to what you can argue for.

That's ridiculous... truly ridiculous.

I may not be entitled to publicise something like incitement to hatred, but I'm fully entitled to hold any opinion I like.

So you're in favour of some sort of thought police? :rolleyes:

These issues are not scientific, they're going to subjective and as such there will be a bell-curve of opinions on the each topic from one extreme to the other.

How Soon Is Now

Links234 wrote: »

Aw, why not console yourself with a gender neutral vegan caffine free vanilla chai latte?

If there was ever a moment when i wanted to reply in a certain way but unfortunately cant here it is......

kunst nugget

Links234 wrote: »

To me this anti-PC nonsense is mostly just a way to sell papers by making one exaggerated claim after another of "PC Gone MAAAAD!" where the facts are twisted beyond recognition in order to cause outrage, Richard Littlejohn and Jeremy Clarkson are masters at claiming how "You can't say ... anymore!" yet saying it anyway and getting cheered on for sticking it to all those jumped up people who have the audacity not to be a straight white English man. Nope, you're not railing against the oppressive PC regime, you're just helping to line the pockets of the Daily Fail's of this world and they're laughing all the way to the bank.

I don't think someone's acting a "total c**t" if they're anti-PC, I just think they're a bit of a sap.

I play After Hours PC bingo. If I get 6 'political correctness gone mad!' in one week it's 'HOUSE!' Then I have a little protest march in my sitting room against issues picked at random from my PC jute non-gender specific hat (written on scraps of recycled toilet paper) before sitting down on my carbon neutral hemp sofa for a cup of relaxing ginger green tea. That's how PC brigade I am! Word to the motherearthhelper!

CreepingDeath

mango salsa wrote: »

Wow - legislation solves everything and makes the world an egalitarian utopia. Who knew.

Well do you mind telling me if your friends took any steps to stop those issues?
Or did they just take it and whine about it on the net?

You didn't answer the question.
What was the profile of the people who were hurling abuse?
Were they children, teens, adults?

You claim it was a daily occurrence, is that just exaggeration and/or lies?

Annasopra

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Well do you mind telling me if your friends took any steps to stop those issues?
Or did they just take it and whine about it on the net?

You didn't answer the question.
What was the profile of the people who were hurling abuse?
Were they children, teens, adults?

You claim it was a daily occurrence, is that just exaggeration and/or lies?

In some cases they took them to guards, in some cases they took them to the equality tribunal, in some cases it was impossible to prove anything so they did nothing. It's all very well for you to sit at a keyboard screen and claim that legislation resolves every single problem but it simply doesn't.

hooradiation

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Are transgender people unable to use a standard toilet?
Are Indians unable to wear a standard Garda cap?

The question is should an exception be made, not are they "unable".

We regularly accommodate peoples differences, if you're going to argue that we shouldn't, maybe you should actually fucking argue that instead of bleating that it's "your opinion".

CreepingDeath wrote: »

And don't get me started on the people claiming all sorts of things are their "human rights".

yes, they are such pesky things, those rights.....

CreepingDeath wrote: »

That's ridiculous... truly ridiculous.
I may not be entitled to publicise something like incitement to hatred, but I'm fully entitled to hold any opinion I like.

Not unless you can argue for it.
Simply saying "it's my opinion" isn't a magic spell, it doesn't raise what you think beyond approach.

CreepingDeath wrote: »

So you're in favour of some sort of thought police? :rolleyes:

I'm "in favour" of people not being lazy shits and thinking that because something is their opinion therefore they don't have to justify it.
Apparently that's the "thought police" now - or a damning indication of your selective reading
Not sure which is worse.

CreepingDeath

CreepingDeath wrote: »

You claim it was a daily occurrence, is that just exaggeration and/or lies?

Just because something isn't happening to you, or you're not recognising it/don't notice it happening to others, doesn't make it untrue or an exaggeration.

CreepingDeath

hooradiation wrote: »

Simply saying "it's my opinion" isn't a magic spell, it doesn't raise what you think beyond approach.

Thankfully that's just your opinion.

wp_rathead

kunst nugget wrote: »

I play After Hours PC bingo. If I get 6 'political correctness gone mad!' in one week it's 'HOUSE!' Then I have a little protest march in my sitting room against issues picked at random from my PC jute non-gender specific hat (written on scraps of recycled toilet paper) before sitting down on my carbon neutral hemp sofa for a cup of relaxing ginger green tea. That's how PC brigade I am! Word to the motherearthhelper!

I'll be honest.. I laughed out loud at that post- well done

pickarooney

kunst nugget wrote: »

But you can't really not give a **** about whether a person has wheelchair access to facilities they may need.

Good point, passive indifference is actually a problem in cases like this.

Ash.J.Williams

pickarooney wrote: »

Good point, passive indifference is actually a problem in cases like this.

what about a possible Dalek invasion? It's all wheelchair that and wheel chair this nowadays, no thought for daleks.

0066ad

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

what about a possible Dalek invasion? It's all wheelchair that and wheel chair this nowadays, no thought for daleks.

Give it time, just wait till someone hears from a friend of a friend about the
struggle of the Daleks and gets offended.

twinQuins

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Thankfully that's just your opinion.

Oh. Okay. When they're your opinions they're sacrosanct but when it's anyone else they're "just" opinions.

Thanks for exposing your own hypocrisy.

old hippy

angerfist2009 wrote: »

If there was ever a moment when i wanted to reply in a certain way but unfortunately cant here it is......

What's the matter, caller, PC Brigade got your tongue?

How Soon Is Now

old hippy wrote: »

What's the matter, caller, PC Brigade got your tongue?

Nah the boards police prevent me from fully speaking my mind on certain issues. Been tapped on the wrist a few times already who knows what next :pac:

old hippy

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Do you collect minority groups as a hobby? I can't wait to hear about your blind turbin wearing friend....

:rolleyes:

CreepingDeath

mango salsa wrote: »

In some cases they took them to guards, in some cases they took them to the equality tribunal, in some cases it was impossible to prove anything so they did nothing. It's all very well for you to sit at a keyboard screen and claim that legislation resolves every single problem but it simply doesn't.

I agree legislation doesn't solve all problems.

But you said there was "daily" abuse.
I doubt it was a different person 365 days a year, so there must've been a persistent set of offenders?
I asked what their profile was... children, teens, adults?

You said trans find it hard to get a job, so are your friends living in rough estates/areas? They had to expect some stick if they are.
Sure I've a good job & decent house, but got a bit of mostly harmless hassle from the local kids when used to stop them belting the football against the side of my house.
So, I am interested in this "daily" abuse you talk about, do you want to give more details?

I do concede/appreciate the difficulty in your friends gaining employment.
Employers are likely worried about being able to control their current employees, maybe worried about reactions by the public/their clients, and possible legal issues down the line if problems arise.
There's no easy answer to that one.
The trans issue is quite an alien concept to most people, while the gay/lesbian thing has been very much popularised in TV programs.

twinQuins wrote: »

Oh. Okay. When they're your opinions they're sacrosanct but when it's anyone else they're "just" opinions.

Thanks for exposing your own hypocrisy.

:rolleyes:

I was exposing the hypocrisy of hooradiation who said that nobody was entitled to their opinion.

Reread it, then slap your forehead.

kunst nugget

0066ad wrote: »

Give it time, just wait till someone hears from a friend of a friend about the
struggle of the Daleks and gets offended.

Let me guess… will it be one of that PC Brigade? Bloody nuisance those people are…

Push Pop

old hippy wrote: »

Has the PC Brigade stifled you lately? Has it had a direct impact on your day to day life? Have you any amusing anecdotes about it going mad, somewhere in your locality?

Answers in red crayon, please.

Someone told me that japs-eye is now offensive. But that part of the anatomy clearly resembles that ethnic feature. I think the PC brigade need to provide me with a more appropriate non medical term for my japs-eye so I cant offend people any longer!!

Links234

Push Pop wrote: »

Someone told me that japs-eye is now offensive. But that part of the anatomy clearly resembles that ethnic feature. I think the PC brigade need to provide me with a more appropriate non medical term for my japs-eye so I cant offend people any longer!!

I'm sure there's plenty more terms to choose from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO8idMCW0Ro

twinQuins

CreepingDeath wrote: »

:rolleyes:

I was exposing the hypocrisy of hooradiation who said that nobody was entitled to their opinion.

Reread it, then slap your forehead.

No, his point was saying "it's my opinion" isn't a get out from criticism or having to explain yourself and that opinions can't just be shrugged off as being "just" opinions. Which you were, essentially, saying.

You then went on to dismiss his opinion. Which contradicts what you were saying.

Are we feeling silly now? Would somebody like to slap their forehead?

kunst nugget

Push Pop wrote: »

Someone told me that japs-eye is now offensive. But that part of the anatomy clearly resembles that ethnic feature. I think the PC brigade need to provide me with a more appropriate non medical term for my japs-eye so I cant offend people any longer!!

I call mine me Shane McGowan mouth…

Viz supposedly offers up the alternative chap's eye

efb

Push Pop wrote: »

Someone told me that japs-eye is now offensive. But that part of the anatomy clearly resembles that ethnic feature. I think the PC brigade need to provide me with a more appropriate non medical term for my japs-eye so I cant offend people any longer!!

Pee hole

Push Pop

efb wrote: »

Pee hole

Thanks but was looking for something different, I'm not an 8 year old school boy!

efb

Push Pop wrote: »

Thanks but was looking for something different, I'm not an 8 year old school boy!

Cos Japs Eye is so mature...