Dog hacked to death with an axe on Valentines Day

Galwayguy35

old hippy wrote: »

No they aren't.

Some do have hereditary mental illnesses, though.

What would you like to do to him? Get it off your chest.

I'd like to see him up in court for what he did, and maybe less of your sarky comments as well pops.

Mr_Spaceman

There comes a time - even for the most rational of us - when you have to stop making excuses for people.

Plenty of people have mental issues or whatever but they don't go around hacking a poor defenceless dog to death.

Some things are beyond the pale and this is one of them.

Whatever happens to him - fuck him.

dark crystal

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Why are you making excuses for some dirty skanger who tortured an animal?

Some people are just born with a bad streak in them.

You're wasting your time with this one.

According to some, every bad deed is explained away by mental health issues or a bad upbringing.
No one has ever committed an abhorrent act simply out of pure and utter unadulterated maliciousness. Nope, no siree.

It's us bloodthirsty savages on the internet who should really be feared, not the child killers or the dog mutilators. Because we pose the bigger threat really. You see, we don't have mental health issues to hide behind, just a computer screen.

Galwayguy35

dark crystal wrote: »

You're wasting your time with this one.

According to some, every bad deed is explained away by mental health issues or a bad upbringing.
No one has ever committed an abhorrent act simply out of pure and utter unadulterated maliciousness. Nope, no siree.

It's us bloodthirsty savages on the internet who should really be feared, not the child killers or the dog mutilators. Because we pose the bigger threat really. You see, we don't have mental health issues to hide behind, just a computer screen.

Seems to be the case all right.

steddyeddy

In some American states he would face jail. The wildlife laws in this country need to be stepped up or (as much as I dont like them) the animal rights groups here should step into the void and dole out justice themselves. This country is one of the only first world countries allowing people to kill an endangered species (sea eagle).

lesserspottedchloe

This country is a disgrace in terms of animal welfare laws. Very little will be done about this unless it's 'the straw that broke the camels back' and he already has a laundry list of convictions under his belt (wouldn't be at all surprised). I have only just read about an individual who was sentenced to four years in prison yesterday for an attempted robbery, he had 200 previous convictions (one of which involved animal abuse.)

As people have already concluded on this thread, if he will do that to an innocent defenseless animal then it wouldn't take much of a leap for him to assault a human. There is a proven link between this sort of behavior and severe psychological disturbance.

If I had been there I would like to hope that adrenaline would've granted me the strength to topple this guy and beat the crap out of him before he managed to do what he did. Unfortunately, it dosnt always work the way we planned it to and I'd probably be in hospital after he or his scumbag friends (they always travel in packs) stopped me (in addition to an assault charge). I know of a group of animal welfare volunteers who tried to rescue a mother and her kittens from being burned alive in a housing estate bonfire and all ended up being attacked with steel rods, bricks and planks of wood until they were forced to retreat.

Mental illness or not I have absolutely zero pity for this guy-he should be locked up for a long time and serve as an example to any other like minded individuals who think 'so what I'll get away with it'.

smileyj1987

steddyeddy wrote: »

In some American states he would face jail. The wildlife laws in this country need to be stepped up or (as much as I dont like them) the animal rights groups here should step into the void and dole out justice themselves. This country is one of the only first world countries allowing people to kill an endangered species (sea eagle).

Instead of jail they should hit him with an axe see how he likes it .

7 7 12

steddyeddy wrote: »

In some American states he would face jail. The wildlife laws in this country need to be stepped up or (as much as I dont like them) the animal rights groups here should step into the void and dole out justice themselves. This country is one of the only first world countries allowing people to kill an endangered species (sea eagle).

What's funny and hilariously ironic is most of the people condemning this killing are the very same people who label animal rights groups as "extremists" and as though they are mental patients on day release in need of psychiatric attention, when their only crime is standing up for those without a voice to do so themselves.

Madam_X

Is this thread definitely peppered with people who condemn this act yet also condemn animal rights groups?

dark crystal wrote: »

You're wasting your time with this one.

According to some, every bad deed is explained away by mental health issues or a bad upbringing.
No one has ever committed an abhorrent act simply out of pure and utter unadulterated maliciousness. Nope, no siree.

It's us bloodthirsty savages on the internet who should really be feared, not the child killers or the dog mutilators. Because we pose the bigger threat really. You see, we don't have mental health issues to hide behind, just a computer screen.

At the same time though, he MAY have done it due to mental health issues (although is there any indication of this?) in which case it would seem like the appropriate course of action would be to send him to a psychiatric facility - this isn't excusing it at all, and it's not saying he's not a horrible person or going soft on him/letting him get away with it.

alphabeat

shanered wrote: »

Whatever about the guy that did this, it strange that people are so quick to call for murder, putting down and torture of this guy. I agree with possible conviction and/or imprisonment, but some posters going a little to far.

for doing this to a poor animal i would shag the empty eyesockets of their still conscious body .......

genuinely ...... is this too far ??? , i do have boundary issues

dark crystal

Madam_X wrote: »

At the same time though, he MAY have done it due to mental health issues (although is there any indication of this?) in which case it would seem like the appropriate course of action would be to send him to a psychiatric facility - this isn't excusing it at all, and it's not saying he's not a horrible person or going soft on him/letting him get away with it.

Of course, he may well be mentally ill, in which case by all means let him get the help he needs whilst in prison. Like you say though, there is no indication either way whether this person was mentally ill or not. Though it would have to be a pretty severe mental illness in order to carry out such a crime.

My point was more in relation to the notion espoused by certain posters that such heinous acts are only indicative of someone with mental illness or a history of childhood trauma. It's a handy excuse to hide behind because no-one likes to believe that someone could be capable of such a crime simply because they are bad or sadistic or cruel.

The term 'bloodlust' was then used, not to describe the act of torture used upon the animal, but against certain posters who expressed a desire to see the culprit get a taste of his own medicine.

Now, most people see this for what it is - an expression of moral outrage, disgust, anger. It's not as if these posters are actually going to light some torches, grab their pitchforks and lynch the guy. That's not going to happen.
What did in fact happen, was that a man - unprovoked - set about torturing a defenceless animal to death. Now there's really where the word bloodlust should be used. Not in relation to a bunch of people expressing an opinion over a crime on the internet, but in relation to the act itself.

Serious mental illness can be a debilitating condition. I hate to see people use it as an excuse for any and every heinous crime committed against others. Sure, some people genuinely are that ill, but estimates suggest that only 5-10% of homicides in the US are caused by people with mental illness (although in cases of mass murder/shooting sprees, that figure rises), so 90-95% of murderers in the US can't use mental illness as an excuse at all. Similar studies in the UK also bear out these statistics (I can link to both articles if needed).

Some people are just simply bad. Making them all out to be victims of circumstance is letting them away, quite literally in some cases, with murder.

MaxSteele

old hippy wrote: »

Eugenics, eh? Interesting.

Well then until he is diagnosed with a "mental illness" I'll leave you with this ...

Pacifists eh ?

old hippy

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'd like to see him up in court for what he did, and maybe less of your sarky comments as well pops.

You're the one who described him as a "dirty skanger", my lovely.

I do find the pornography of violence in some of the replies here, quite ironic.

Odd though, how you aren't all on the hunting/coursing forums castigating the brutes there who participate in cruel bloodsports. Nah, this is all about demonising mentally ill people - not the fate of an unfortunate animal.

Madam_X

This thread is not about demonisation of mentally ill people - we don't even know that the guy is mentally ill. Some people are saying that if he is, it shouldn't change anything - bit simplistic, but not demonising the mentally ill.

And while I wouldn't agree with torturing him, I really don't see anything wrong with using less than flattering descriptions about the guy. Why should people be respectful towards him?

old hippy

Madam_X wrote: »

This thread is not about demonisation of mentally ill people - we don't even know that the guy is mentally ill. Some people are saying that if he is, it shouldn't change anything - bit simplistic, but not demonising the mentally ill.

And while I wouldn't agree with torturing him, I really don't see anything wrong with using less than flattering descriptions about the guy. Why should people be respectful towards him?

Yes, we don't know he's mentally ill. Although, by the sound of the reports he doesn't come across as someone who has all his faculties.

I am intrigued why the animal lovers here aren't on the hunting forums, mind.

HTML5!

old hippy wrote: »

I am intrigued why the animal lovers here aren't on the hunting forums, mind.

Because I'm pretty sure it's against charter. Simple.

He could be mentally ill sure, but I refuse to believe that everyone who does anything horrific these days is mentally ill - which is normally the cry of the dogooder (to a fault) these days.

There are bad people out there too.

People can act in order to appear mentally ill in for leniancy too. If they're found to be doing this, they should get an even harsher sentence.

old hippy

HTML5! wrote: »

Because I'm pretty sure it's against charter. Simple.

He could be mentally ill sure, but I refuse to believe that everyone who does anything horrific these days is mentally ill - which is normally the cry of the dogooder (to a fault) these days.

There are bad people out there too.

People can act in order to appear mentally ill in for leniancy too. If they're found to be doing this, they should get an even harsher sentence.

I don't know anything about the mythical "dogooder" you mention and yes, of course, if he is not mentally ill - he deserves a long stretch inside.

If it were against charter to castigate and demonise mentally ill people, would you respect that as well? Just curious.

dark crystal

old hippy wrote: »

If it were against charter to castigate and demonise mentally ill people, would you respect that as well? Just curious.

Who was demonising mentally ill people? Just curious.

old hippy

dark crystal wrote: »

Who was demonising mentally ill people? Just curious.

You must have missed the posts where he was called all kinds of names and people wishing him dead/tortured/aborted.

Then there was the unpleasant whiff of eugenics from one poster.

MaxSteele

old hippy wrote: »

You must have missed the posts where he was called all kinds of names and people wishing him dead/tortured/aborted.

Then there was the unpleasant whiff of eugenics from one poster.

"Uggh .... those damn fascists".

You can name me you know ?

You should be more concerned about malevolent cunts with access to axes instead of online, knee jerk reactions.

Madam_X

old hippy wrote: »

You must have missed the posts where he was called all kinds of names and people wishing him dead/tortured/aborted.

Then there was the unpleasant whiff of eugenics from one poster.

Not that I agree with all the things that have been said (although the guy is an utterly rotten lowlife to do such a thing) but they were on the back of what he did - not the possibility of him being mentally ill. If anything, people are arguing a person doesn't have to be mentally ill to do something like this.

Big Bottom

I couldnt bring myself to look at the photo but sometimes people do sick things because they are sick themselves. Dont just jump to conclusion thats all Im saying.

up for anything

Poor 'mentally ill' people who abuse animals. Sorry, I don't buy that excuse. I know a number of people suffering from various mental illnesses but not one of them would dream of harming an innocent and harmless creature.

Evil is evil and mental illness is mental illness. Too much these days are truly evil people using the illness card as a get out. :mad:

Cat blown up by firework

Detectives have again asked for help in tracing “sick and evil” thugs who pushed a firework into the bottom of a cat, blowing the pet up.

The incident took place at around 6.05pm on Saturday, November 10 last year, in Shelley Road, Wellingborough, killing Bonnie, a six-year-old cat.

Police say investigations into the incident have been continuing since it took place and officers have today re-appealed for anyone who may have any information to come forward.

A police spokesperson said: “This was an horrific act of cruelty and we would like to speak to anyone who may have any information regarding it.

“We are convinced that someone other than the offender has knowledge of this incident and we would like to speak to them.

“We would like to thank members of the public who have provided information so far.”

In a tragic twist, Buster, Bonnie’s brother, who had been standing guard over his sister’s body, was struck by a car and killed.

His body had been moved to the side
of the road, away from the scene.

Speaking after the double death, the pair’s owner, who asked not to be named, said: “Buster was very protective of his sister. We have had them since they were kittens and they were inseparable. It looks as though he had stayed with her but had been hit by a car.

“I’m totally lost without them. The house seems so quiet. Every time I hear a noise I think it’s one of them coming through the door.

“I’m still coming to terms with it all. They were part of the family.

“I don’t think I’ll be getting another cat as long as I am living here, not when there’s people like that about. You wonder what they’ll do next.

“It was a cat this time but what’s after that? Another animal? A small child?”

Big Bottom

up for anything wrote: »

Poor 'mentally ill' people who abuse animals. Sorry, I don't buy that excuse. I know a number of people suffering from various mental illnesses but not one of them would dream of harming an innocent and harmless creature.

Evil is evil and mental illness is mental illness. Too much these days are truly evil people using the illness card as a get out. :mad:

Cat blown up by firework

Im sorry but that sounds like a makey up story if ever there was one.

up for anything

Big Bottom wrote: »

Im sorry but that sounds like a makey up story if ever there was one.

Which bit of of the story do you think is 'makey upped'?

Big Bottom

Detectives have again asked for help in tracing “sick and evil” thugs who pushed a firework into the bottom of a cat, blowing the pet up.

In a tragic twist, Buster, Bonnie’s brother, who had been standing guard over his sister’s body, was struck by a car and killed.

His body had been moved to the side
of the road, away from the scene.

“It was a cat this time but what’s after that? Another animal? A small child?”

That should be over in the makey up forum.

up for anything

Big Bottom wrote: »

Detectives have again asked for help in tracing “sick and evil” thugs who pushed a firework into the bottom of a cat, blowing the pet up.

In a tragic twist, Buster, Bonnie’s brother, who had been standing guard over his sister’s body, was struck by a car and killed.

His body had been moved to the side
of the road, away from the scene.

“It was a cat this time but what’s after that? Another animal? A small child?”

That should be over in the makey up forum.

I don't see that there is any reason to disbelieve it. Quite a few animals have been known to stand guard over the body of a dead companion and local newspapers tend to exaggerate or makey-uppy less than national papers as it's easier to verify their stories. However, believe what you want.

HTML5!

old hippy wrote: »

I don't know anything about the mythical "dogooder" you mention and yes, of course, if he is not mentally ill - he deserves a long stretch inside.

If it were against charter to castigate and demonise mentally ill people, would you respect that as well? Just curious.

Not really what I've done. Stop putting words in my mouth.

ilovesleep

up for anything wrote: »

Poor 'mentally ill' people who abuse animals. Sorry, I don't buy that excuse. I know a number of people suffering from various mental illnesses but not one of them would dream of harming an innocent and harmless creature.

Evil is evil and mental illness is mental illness. Too much these days are truly evil people using the illness card as a get out. :mad:

Cat blown up by firework

And for those who are mentally ill, animals can help them hugely. Animals and pets are very theraputic (spelling?).

Jimoslimos

Oh dear, it's threads like this that make despair for AH. I sincerely hope it really is just primitive rabble rousing to satisfy mob urges and nobody would actually follow through with their (alarmingly) well-thought out revenge fantasies. It's one thing make a throwaway comment in conversation "I'd kill him", it's quite another to elaborate on that, type it out and hit enter.

If the guy has a mental illness - he needs treatment (and kept away from animals)
If not - he needs to be properly sentenced (and kept away from animals). I do agree that the punishments for these type of acts do need to be revised.

But please, stop this nonsense about it being on a par with murder or child abuse. It's not. Full stop. And don't bring up that chestnut about people who are violent towards animals being more likely to harm humans - because the evidence for that is shaky at best.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Why are you making excuses for some dirty skanger who tortured an animal?

Some people are just born with a bad streak in them.

Funny how some people will (often rightly) point out that many vicious and aggressive dogs are only that way inclined because they've been badly mistreated by humans in the past.

Galwayguy35

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Oh dear, it's threads like this that make despair for AH. I sincerely hope it really is just primitive rabble rousing to satisfy mob urges and nobody would actually follow through with their (alarmingly) well-thought out revenge fantasies. It's one thing make a throwaway comment in conversation "I'd kill him", it's quite another to elaborate on that, type it out and hit enter.

If the guy has a mental illness - he needs treatment (and kept away from animals)
If not - he needs to be properly sentenced (and kept away from animals). I do agree that the punishments for these type of acts do need to be revised.

But please, stop this nonsense about it being on a par with murder or child abuse. It's not. Full stop. And don't bring up that chestnut about people who are violent towards animals being more likely to harm humans - because the evidence for that is shaky at best.


Funny how some people will (often rightly) point out that many vicious and aggressive dogs are only that way inclined because they've been badly mistreated by humans in the past.

Right, so you think a scumbag who tortures a defenceless animal to death would have a sudden crises of conscience about hitting a person and hurting them? I doubt it.

And seeing as you quoted me, yeah I do think some people are born bad to the bone.

mardybumbum

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Right, so you think a scumbag who tortures a defenceless animal to death would have a sudden crises of conscience about hitting a person and hurting them? I doubt it.

And seeing as you quoted me, yeah I do think some people are born bad to the bone.

I wonder if being born bad to the bone is genetic?

The Road Runner

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

yeah I do think some people are born bad to the bone.

B-B-B-B-Bad?

MaxSteele

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Oh dear, it's threads like this that make despair for AH. I sincerely hope it really is just primitive rabble rousing to satisfy mob urges and nobody would actually follow through with their (alarmingly) well-thought out revenge fantasies. It's one thing make a throwaway comment in conversation "I'd kill him", it's quite another to elaborate on that, type it out and hit enter.

If the guy has a mental illness - he needs treatment (and kept away from animals)
If not - he needs to be properly sentenced (and kept away from animals). I do agree that the punishments for these type of acts do need to be revised.

But please, stop this nonsense about it being on a par with murder or child abuse. It's not. Full stop. And don't bring up that chestnut about people who are violent towards animals being more likely to harm humans - because the evidence for that is shaky at best.


Funny how some people will (often rightly) point out that many vicious and aggressive dogs are only that way inclined because they've been badly mistreated by humans in the past.

Absolute bollocks. Full Stop.

It's a living thing. There are plenty of people on this earth less deserving of life than a harmless house pet in this day and age.

crazygeryy

MaxSteele wrote: »

Absolute bollocks. Full Stop.

It's a living thing. There are plenty of people on this earth less deserving of life than a harmless house pet in this day and age.

id just like to add to that.

its a defenseless living thing.thats why so many people get more outraged when something is done to an animal.they cant talk or shout stop they are defenseless and whoever did this should be hung from the nearest tree.

dark crystal

old hippy wrote: »

You must have missed the posts where he was called all kinds of names and people wishing him dead/tortured/aborted.

Then there was the unpleasant whiff of eugenics from one poster.

No, I didn't miss those posts, I just can't recall where in the article the man was described as mentally ill. Seems to me, you are just assuming he is.

old hippy

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Right, so you think a scumbag who tortures a defenceless animal to death would have a sudden crises of conscience about hitting a person and hurting them? I doubt it.

And seeing as you quoted me, yeah I do think some people are born bad to the bone.

How does that work, exactly? Can you explain the science of it to us?

frankosw

I hate dogs...the next door neighbour had one that kept me awake for three years with its incessant barking..there were times where i would've gladly taken an axe to the dog and the neighbour for some bloody peace.