6N: Scotland v Ireland 24/02/2013; 14:00 [MOD WARNING POST 246 & 1020]

awec

twinytwo wrote: »

:rolleyes:

What?

jm08

awec wrote: »

What?

The idea that any of the above pundits would circle like vultures around a young player like Jackson is laughable!

Has Tony Ward ever said a bad word about any player for instance?

If anyone is going to get heavy criticism, it will be Kidney.

PAULWATSON

what's the story with kidney and ROG. Do the two boys not get on?

Jacko played terrible for ulster last friday night, his scuffed multiple kick offs and his longer range kicking is eratic to say the least.

So did ROG have a crack at his wife or something?

darragh_haven

Scotland by 1-7 points

jacothelad wrote: »

..with a good memory, a number of ex-wives, pretty well off and with homes on the Antrim Coast, in Donegal and Edinburgh - and a guitar collection that would be the envy of Eric Clapton - so age has it's compensations........:D

Willy waving competition is next week...:P

Artful_Badger

jm08 wrote: »

The idea that any of the above pundits would circle like vultures around a young player like Jackson is laughable!

Has Tony Ward ever said a bad word about any player for instance?

If anyone is going to get heavy criticism, it will be Kidney.

I'd say it was the fact that Madigan would be immune from criticism while Jackson being an extra terrestrial Northerner wasnt was what drew the eyes.

The pundits certainly will be looking for any opportunity to say "I was right" in regards to ROG starting because the others didnt have the experience.

irishbucsfan

Ireland by >7 points

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Jacko played terrible for ulster last friday night, his scuffed multiple kick offs and his longer range kicking is eratic to say the least.

Did Jackson play last Friday night?

awec

PAULWATSON wrote: »

what's the story with kidney and ROG. Do the two boys not get on?

Jacko played terrible for ulster last friday night, his scuffed multiple kick offs and his longer range kicking is eratic to say the least.

So did ROG have a crack at his wife or something?

I assume this is a wind up?

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Did Jackson play last Friday night?

Yes, for 70 minutes (though I suspect he'd have played a lot less if we hadn't encountered as many injuries on the night).

He didn't take the kicks though.

Macy0161

jm08 wrote: »

If anyone is going to get heavy criticism, it will be Kidney.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at in a previous post. Plenty of pundits look foolish now, sticking up for Kidneys apparently nailed on decision to go with ROG. A bad performance, and they'll be justified in saying ROG, but can put the boot in to Kidney for bowing to the pressure. For Kidney, the easy decision would've been starting ROG - his cheerleaders would've backed him.

PAULWATSON

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Did Jackson play last Friday night?

He started. Piss poor game in my opinion.

19543261

Ireland by >7 points

I rather like Toner in the tight. Sure he isnt making breaks or whatever, but every time he gains ground in the tackle.

And the time's he doesnt he still does simply by virtue of his falling over.

totallegend

Ireland by >7 points

Ah the old ROG v Jackson chestnut, hah?

ROG is in the same position as O'Leary was in August 2011. Kidney desperately wanted to pick him but his performances were so bad that it just couldn't be justified.

.ak

PAULWATSON wrote: »

what's the story with kidney and ROG. Do the two boys not get on?

Jacko played terrible for ulster last friday night, his scuffed multiple kick offs and his longer range kicking is eratic to say the least.

So did ROG have a crack at his wife or something?

I take it you missed ROG against the Scarlets.

PAULWATSON

PAULWATSON wrote: »

what's the story with kidney and ROG. Do the two boys not get on?

Jacko played terrible for ulster last friday night, his scuffed multiple kick offs and his longer range kicking is eratic to say the least.

So did ROG have a crack at his wife or something?

ROG also played for Munster last weekend. That went well too I assume?

CIARAN_BOYLE

PAULWATSON wrote: »

He started. Piss poor game in my opinion.

He didn't have a great game but he wasn't bad at all, whereas ROG went out and kicked 2 from 5, none from a great range too, kicked out on the full, missed touch and failed to run a backline at all.

Jackson is playing infinitely better than ROG at the moment.

PAULWATSON

awec wrote: »

I assume this is a wind up?.

:eek: Major six nations game, and Decky decides too start a rookie over a tried and tested game winner in ROG. Why is he even in the squad if Kidney has no intention of playing him?

awec wrote: »

He didn't take the kicks though.

It is laughable that Ruan has to share kicking duties with Jacko from time to time. Look at their records. Not saying that given time Paddy could improve, however he is not even close at the minute.

CIARAN_BOYLE

PAULWATSON wrote: »

:eek: Major six nations game, and Decky decides too start a rookie over a tried and tested game winner in ROG. Why is he even in the squad if Kidney has no intention of playing him?

personally I'd call it a geriatric that should have retired years ago. He is in the squad because he is the 3rd choice 10 and Jackson missed the first two games of the 6 nations through injury.

Artful_Badger

PAULWATSON wrote: »

:eek: Major six nations game, and Decky decides too start a rookie over a tried and tested game winner in ROG. Why is he even in the squad if Kidney has no intention of playing him?.

What games has ROG won recently ?

PAULWATSON

.ak wrote: »

I take it you missed ROG against the Scarlets.

Deleted User wrote: »

ROG also played for Munster last weekend. That went well too I assume?

Seen that, also seen what the fella has done over the last ten years.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Jackson is playing infinitely better than ROG at the moment.

man V boy i'm afraid.

.ak

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Seen that, also seen what the fella has done over the last ten years.



man V boy i'm afraid.

Frankly I'm not sure if here just to troll or not - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt however, if you explain why ROG should be selected over, well, any of the other OH's based on CURRENT form.

Podge_irl

On the off chance you're not on a windup...

Can you please tell me one rugby skill that ROG has displayed to a higher quality than Jackson this season?

PAULWATSON

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Seen that, also seen what the fella has done over the last ten years.
.

And in the last 2?

(which is orders of magnitude more important than what ROG did in 2005)

PAULWATSON

Artful_Badger wrote: »

What games has ROG won recently ?

Not his best season, I'll say that.

Surely Pienaar has got an irish granny? Some player.

PAULWATSON

.ak wrote: »

Frankly I'm not sure if here just to troll or not - I'll give you the benefit of the doubt however, if you explain why ROG should be selected over, well, any of the other OH's based on CURRENT form.

They are (sorry were) talking about taking Fez on a lions tour and he has not laced up in months. It's about class not form, I'm not sure Jacko has ever shown to be a top rated player!

Podge_irl wrote: »

On the off chance you're not on a windup...

Can you please tell me one rugby skill that ROG has displayed to a higher quality than Jackson this season?

Same as above, did ROG not take multiple H cups back to Limerick? Seen Jacko in the final last year :eek:

Deleted User wrote: »

And in the last 2?

(which is orders of magnitude more important than what ROG did in 2005)

We alll have our opinions, building for the future is great, but we have a load of william wallaces to finish off on sunday afternoon!

irishbucsfan

Ireland by >7 points

PAULWATSON, when was the last time ROG played to his fullest ability in a top level game?

My own opinion is the Quarter Final against Northampton in 2010.

You can't pick a guy for Ireland when he has had no form for a while.

SebBerkovich

Ireland by >7 points

If ROG had looked half way decent when he came on against England i would have liked to see him start. As it stands, I'm happy enough with Paddy, but would have rather seen Madigan.

I am pie

Ireland by >7 points

ha,...hahahaha...ahhahahahahahhaha.

Hahehheehehhehe

Pfftt,...mwaaahahHahahaaaaahahaha. Stop, would ya, Ronan.

Seriously ROG, you are in the match day squad, would you get off boards and get back to preparing for the game in case we need you tomorrow. Gas man, you're some boy.

galwaybucko

He played alright against Saracens in England in the HEC a few months back, but
apart from that...

CIARAN_BOYLE

PAULWATSON wrote: »

They are (sorry were) talking about taking Fez on a lions tour and he has not laced up in months. It's about class not form, I'm not sure Jacko has ever shown to be a top rated player!

In my opinion Ferris has shown more ability in his 193 minutes of rugby this season than ROG has since the start of the 2011/2012 season.

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Same as above, did ROG not take multiple H cups back to Limerick? Seen Jacko in the final last year :eek:

So should the entire Munster team (at least the IQ parts of it) from the 2008 HEC final show up on sunday to play for Ireland. 6 of them are retired because they are too old/injured to play pro rugby anymore, ROG should join them.

PAULWATSON

irishbucsfan wrote: »

You can't pick a guy for Ireland when he has had no form for a while.

Why is he even in the squad then? What is the story with him and Decky?

SebBerkovich wrote: »

.As it stands, I'm happy enough with Paddy, but would have rather seen Madigan.

I'd take Madigan over Jacko.

awec

ROG hasn't been good enough to play international rugby for quite a while now.

This "class not form" is total crap. Perhaps we should coax Keith Wood out of retirement?


Also, "It is laughable that Ruan has to share kicking duties with Jacko from time to time.". Yea, it's totally laughable that the best 9 in Ireland who happens to be fantastic from the tee sometimes takes our kicks. :pac:

awec

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Why is he even in the squad then? What is the story with him and Decky?




I'd take Madigan over Jacko.

You'll need to ask Declan that, none of us can figure it out.

It certainly isn't based on form.

PAULWATSON

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Why is he even in the squad then?

He's on a central contract so there might be an onus to have in the squad because of that

open to correction about the central contract

PAULWATSON

awec wrote: »

Also, "It is laughable that Ruan has to share kicking duties with Jacko from time to time.". Yea, it's totally laughable that the best 9 in Ireland who happens to be fantastic from the tee sometimes takes our kicks. :pac:

Come on now, I'm a Ravenhill regular.

awec wrote: »

You'll need to ask Declan that, none of us can figure it out.

Must be bad blood between the two.

awec

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Come on now, I'm a Ravenhill regular.



Must be bad blood between the two.

Are you saying Pienaar's kicking is poor?

.ak

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Must be bad blood between the two.

Or good, because after the England game and his form over the last couple of seasons it's amazing he's still on the squad.

Podge_irl

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Same as above, did ROG not take multiple H cups back to Limerick? Seen Jacko in the final last year :eek:

You appear to have difficulty answering any question referring to the last few seasons. ROG winning the HEC 5 years ago is not an example of something he's done better than Jackson this season, which is what I asked.

Also, ROG would have looked equally as bad in that game. Hell, Carter would have looked bad playing 10 in that game. Ulster were simply comprehensively beaten up front.

PAULWATSON

awec wrote: »

Are you saying Pienaar's kicking is poor?

He's the best I have ever seen. Some of those exhibitions on our run to the final last year were breathtaking.

thomond2006

Ireland by >7 points

So the only argument the pro-ROG supporters have is ROG is experienced, Jackson isn't.

C'mon, surely ye can do better than that.

jacothelad

darragh_haven wrote: »

Willy waving competition is next week...:P

Not a problem either but it does get you in trouble - hence the ex wives. actually I was just pointing out to Podge the benefits that come with age. The down side would take far too long.

PAULWATSON

Podge_irl wrote: »

You appear to have difficulty answering any question referring to the last few seasons. ROG winning the HEC 5 years ago is not an example of something he's done better than Jackson this season, which is what I asked.

Also, ROG would have looked equally as bad in that game. Hell, Carter would have looked bad playing 10 in that game. Ulster were simply comprehensively beaten up front.

I'm not a big ROG fan, I was just think he should be in before Paddy. Of course his form has dipped, not even worth debating.

Still think Jacko has to develop, which is hard with the situation here in Ulster.

P_1

thomond2006 wrote: »

So the only argument the pro-ROG supporters have is ROG is experienced, Jackson isn't.

C'mon, surely ye can do better than that.

That's about the only argument that they can really make for his inclusion though. I can't see any other potential reasons for keeping ROG at 10, can you?

If anyone has these other arguments please don't be shy.

PAULWATSON

Anyone else expecting a monumental display from T.Court?

Think this could be his chance to nail a jersey long term.

ssaye

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Anyone else expecting a monumental display from T.Court?

Think this could be his chance to nail a jersey long term.

WTF?

SebBerkovich

Ireland by >7 points

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Think this could be his chance to nail a jersey long term.

You might be alone in that one, i can't even imagine courts mom agreeing with you.

CIARAN_BOYLE

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Anyone else expecting a monumental display from T.Court?

Think this could be his chance to nail a jersey long term.

I can't see Court getting ahead of Healy. Healy is just on another level imo but I would love to see Court pulling out a top class display. It could prove himself as deserving the 17 shirt after being unlucky to be dropped from the squad in recent weeks.

PAULWATSON

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I can't see Court getting ahead of Healy. Healy is just on another level imo but I would love to see Court pulling out a top class display. It could prove himself as deserving the 17 shirt after being unlucky to be dropped from the squad in recent weeks.

Squad position of course. Does some job for ulster, look for him to lay down a couple of huge hits early on followed up by a bit of hard man show boating as they "get to know eachother".

Hagz

Anyone else expecting a big game from Gilroy? Up against Scotland, his Ulster teammates Jackson and Marshall linking up with him, I'm expecting him to make a few dazzling breaks.

Grimebox

Hagz wrote: »

Anyone else expecting a big game from Gilroy? Up against Scotland, his Ulster teammates Jackson and Marshall linking up with him, I'm expecting him to make a few dazzling breaks.

I usually anticipate dire performances from Ireland after having my heart broken too many times but I'm getting really excited about this one. I can see great performances from all over the pitch. Jackson, Marshall, Gilroy, Kearney, Heaslip, Court. Just a few with more to prove that usual. I'm predicting Ireland by 10+

jimjamcos

Ireland by >7 points

Hagz wrote: »

Anyone else expecting a big game from Gilroy? Up against Scotland, his Ulster teammates Jackson and Marshall linking up with him, I'm expecting him to make a few dazzling breaks.

Yep, I am! Don't think match conditions have been to suit for him yet bar maybe first half in The Millenium Stadium. If we can get off on the front foot from the start and create space, I can see him ripping them apart. All depends on how game flows for him to show his true worth IMO.

Artful_Badger

A wingers attacking game really depends on the amount of ball they get and usually in the Irish setup wingers dont get too many opportunity to run it with space. Not sure how much Jackson and Marshall can change that but if Gilroy gets the service I've no doubt he'll do some damage.