Tell us the hourly rate of public servants.

woodoo

thebman wrote: »

Can probably work it out from here though its slightly out of date


http://www.impact.ie/Your-Sector/Public-Sector/Civil-Service/Civil-service-salary-scales/Current-salary-scales--2010-/Clerical-officer--Full-PRSI-.htm

That was pre cuts and pension levy.

thebman

woodoo wrote: »

That was pre cuts and pension levy.

Then they should update their website with current figures don't you think?

Paulzx

Rightwing wrote: »

That's what will make us competitive.

When people have a wage they can't live on?

murphaph

thebman wrote: »

Then they should update their website with current figures don't you think?

Sums up the attitude if you ask me...."I'll take care of it later".

Paulzx

Paulzx wrote: »

So you reckon comparing the hourly rate of a checkout operator with say, the head of the Dept of Finance is some sort of valid scientific study of wages?


I don't think so

Some check out operators are on good money, but don't get the hours. Some public service workers are on low wage. Not all are on the 35 hour weeks for €60k plus. It's not fair, but, hey, thats life! The majority of them are NOT responsible for the system, but, yes, it would be nice if they would all agree to do a 39 hour week at 100% productivity for a lot less than they are on now.

Gumbo

murphaph wrote: »

Sums up the attitude if you ask me...."I'll take care of it later".

Typical private sector company......yeah

Deleted User wrote: »

it would be nice if they would all agree to do a 39 hour week at 100% productivity for a lot less than they are on now.

Same could be said for the private sector, it might bring living costs down.

Lumbo

murphaph wrote: »

Sums up the attitude if you ask me...."I'll take care of it later".

It's not like you to have a go at a Private Sector company.

Wicklowandy

The only aspiration we should have is to provide a living income for all workers. You cant just measure the success of an economy based on how low wages are.

Do you think we should head to good victorian mills where people work 6.5 days a week for enough money to just feed themselves barely? Maybe them freeloading children should be made work too (who do they think they are getting child benefit for nothing?)

Employment terms and conditions have been hard won, and were fought for for a reason. Changes are needed of course in some areas to restore competiveness, but constant downward pressure on wages only wont be the silver bullet many here seem to believe.

Paarthurnax

I work as a Mental Health Nurse in the private sector €17.00 per hour.
My equivalent pay working for the HSE would be €16.00 per hour (Increment 4 on the pay scale.
My equivalent pay working for the NHS in UK would be around €14.00 per hour ( Band 5 Increment 4)
Most people are surprised to hear this this would put me nowhere near the Public Sector Average that keeps being throw around.

Wicklowandy

Thats a very hard job for the money involved. And pretty consistent between countries too.

ManMade

Anyone know how much teachers are paid per hour of work?

Rightwing

ManMade wrote: »

Anyone know how much teachers are paid per hour of work?

It varies, a 60yr old teacher will be on much more than a 22 yr old. None of them are badly paid though.

woodoo

thebman wrote: »

Then they should update their website with current figures don't you think?

They have that is an old screenshot.

Gumbo

woodoo wrote: »

They have that is an old screenshot.

+1

The original poster should of linked the up to date page but they didn't for some reason. Maybe it suited their agenda.

Lumbo

I make €23 an hour. Who's jealous?

Geuze

Hourly earnings data was published on 22 Feb by the CSO.

See www.cso.ie

Average hourly earnings are 22 euro approx.

A breakdown by sector is available.

See table 2 for hourly earnings by sector.

Geuze

Average weekly earnings are 696.

The highest sector is Information and Communication at 1001.

Second highest is Financial, Insurance and Real Estate at 973.

joolsveer

From the CSO website for 2008 it says Civil Service weekly is €916.06 which I make €47,818 per annum. The Garda figure is €1207.24 which is €63,018.
http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

AltAccount

joolsveer wrote: »

From the CSO website for 2008 it says Civil Service weekly is €916.06 which I make €47,818 per annum. The Garda figure is €1207.24 which is €63,018.
http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

And has anything changed in the last 5 years?


Edit: check out some of the 2008 figures in Construction. We should get more people doing that!
http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/construction/averageearningsandhoursworkedformaincategoriesofemployees/

haro124

As a temporary clerical officer last year I was on €10.29 per hour on a 34.75 hour week = €357.46

noodler

AltAccount wrote: »

And has anything changed in the last 5 years?

6 years of increments will probably balance out the 2010 pay cuts.

Lumbo

noodler wrote: »

6 years of increments will probably balance out the 2010 pay cuts.

So it will balance them out in 2016.

AltAccount

noodler wrote: »

6 years of increments will probably balance out the 2010 pay cuts.

Probably?

noodler

AltAccount wrote: »

Probably?

Not everyone gets increments every year.

But yeah, on the balance, I'd say it is more likely than not.

AltAccount

noodler wrote: »

Not everyone gets increments every year.

But yeah, on the balance, I'd say it is more likely than not.

Is it not a published and established system that you could actually do the sums on?

twowheelsonly

noodler wrote: »

6 years of increments will probably balance out the 2010 pay cuts.

AltAccount wrote: »

Probably?

That's assuming that someone is still on the incremental pay scale. Anyone at their max has done nothing but lose, lose, lose between Pay Cut, USC and Pension Levy.

Also, I think that too much is made of the whole increment issue. You DON'T get an automatic pay rise for every year that you're in the job.


Take the Garda Scale as an example (quickest one I could find!!) which is fairly typical of PS scales and how they work.

http://www.gra.cc/payscales.shtml



Increments up to year 6* then nothing from 6-10. Another increment in year 11 then nothing again until year 17 and that's it then - no more increments.

There's very few in the lower brackets due to the moratorium on recruitment for the last few years and a copper that had 10 years service when the shwitt hit the fan has only had 1 increment since. (...and the Copper that had his yr 11 increment hasn't had any!!)

*(Up to year 6 includes raises in training wage and upon passing out so 4 increments are actually in the first 2 years.)


The devil is in the detail but I wouldn't expect any FG/Lab apologists to reveal the detail.

COYVB

Head The Wall wrote: »

Clerical officers are definitely worth the 20 an hour they get so.

Having been one, I can tell you Clerical Officers don't get anything close to 20 quid an hour. Was there for 3 years and took home about 405 a week

sarumite

Paulzx wrote: »

So you reckon comparing the hourly rate of a checkout operator with say, the head of the Dept of Finance is some sort of valid scientific study of wages?


I don't think so

It wouldn't be the first time someone used retail company e.g. Dunnes Stores in a thread about the PS. It seems warped logic exists on all sides of this discussion.

nice_guy80

what most people forget when they see public service salaries is how much is actually taken from the pay cheque of most workers by tax, pensions etc

nice_guy80

AltAccount wrote: »

Probably?

not likely.
you also have to factor in the USC and other rises in deductions