NFL Combine Discussion

Arawn

Somebody mentioned Margus here last month, slovenian ( or somewhere like that) ex-discuss guy right?? Said that the combine would have him shoot up boards cant remember who though

Hazys

Stev_o wrote: »

So it's combine time. Currently the PK, OL and ST are up. Terron Armstead OL 6'5 308 pounds and run's a 4.65 :eek:

That kind of speed is wasted on the OLine...i'm kinda surprised nobody in his career tried to move him onto the defensive side of the ball.

Red Crow

Hazys wrote: »

That kind of speed is wasted on the OLine...i'm kinda surprised nobody in his career tried to move him onto the defensive side of the ball.

They probably did. Some kids go through positional changes as far as college. It's probably his use of his physique and power that he wasn't able to adapt to a different position.

Where do people see this guy going?

I'd say early third maybe late second after his display.

TO.

Hazys wrote: »

That kind of speed is wasted on the OLine...i'm kinda surprised nobody in his career tried to move him onto the defensive side of the ball.

Why is it wasted though? Could imagine how fast and powerful he would be on a lead block for a back. Once he gets drafted he will bilk up even more and be a beast. If he can fix the issues with his blocking there isn't a team in the NFL that wouldn't love to have him sealing off the edge or lead blocking on outside runs. Nothing worse watching a RB bounce to the outside and the tackles are too slow to give him that first block. This guys speed will enable that even more.

Stev_o

Eli Manning wrote: »

They probably did. Some kids go through positional changes as far as college. It's probably his use of his physique and power that he wasn't able to adapt to a different position.

Where do people see this guy going?

I'd say early third maybe late second after his display.

I wouldn't say it's entirely wasted, I am sure some GM's will be impressed by his athletic prowess.

Id say 2nd rounder lower end of the table to 3rd rounder depending on how things are going. Reminds me a bit of the Amini Silatolu situation of people liking a dancing bear.

Hazys

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Yea, so Margus Hunt pretty much just won the combine. At 6'8 and 277 lbs, he repped 225lbs 38 times (!) and ran the 40 in 4.60 (!!).

Beast! What did they feed him growing up in Estonia? People?

Pity he's only being playing since 2009 so he's very inexperienced. He'll contribute right away on special teams but i doubt he'll contribute on Defense that much in his first few years, probably just as a specialized pass rusher.

Look at him block this FG...he just stood up and put his hand up...hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFbxDY50pc

Where do people think he will go? I'd say 2nd round as there is so much upside and he'll be at least a decent special teams contributor (although i don't know much about his open field tackling).

Hazys

TO. wrote: »

Why is it wasted though? Could imagine how fast and powerful he would be on a lead block for a back. Once he gets drafted he will bilk up even more and be a beast. If he can fix the issues with his blocking there isn't a team in the NFL that wouldn't love to have him sealing off the edge or lead blocking on outside runs. Nothing worse watching a RB bounce to the outside and the tackles are too slow to give him that first block. This guys speed will enable that even more.

Wasted might be a bit of an overstatement. What i meant was speed is more beneficial to a DE than a Tackle.

If you were able to magically give one player on your team 20% more speed, you would give it to your DE over your Tackle, you'd even give it to a Guard or a Center over a Tackle.

TO.

Hazys wrote: »

That kind of speed is wasted on the OLine...i'm kinda surprised nobody in his career tried to move him onto the defensive side of the ball.

Contacted a coach in Illinois I know and he said Armstead was a Defensive linemen also in high school. To confirm this is you go to his old maxpreps profile you will see him down as OL/DL.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/wiM0S2-r40GVkRpnqj5M5w/football-fall-08/profile-terron-armstead.htm

My buddy doesn't coach in the same division as Cahokia High School and doesn't know if Armstead was any good as a DL but does remember the hype about the kid as an Offensive linemen. Mad thing about Armstead he had bigger D1 offers but decided to go to Arkansas Pine Bluff as they were allowing him to do Track.

TO.

Hazys wrote: »

Beast! What did they feed him growing up in Estonia? People?

Pity he's only being playing since 2009 so he's very inexperienced. He'll contribute right away on special teams but i doubt he'll contribute on Defense that much in his first few years, probably just as a specialized pass rusher.

Look at him block this FG...he just stood up and put his hand up...hilarious


Where do people think he will go? I'd say 2nd round as there is so much upside and he'll be at least a decent special teams contributor (although i don't know much about his open field tackling).

A lot of raw talent in this kid. Be interesting to see will be people take a shot on him as high up at round 2. One thing he has in his favour is being part of SMU and June Jones's system. Jones is known to breed good ball players in SMU. More and more of them making the draft in recent years.

Here is in the 2012 Hawaii Bowl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgNUN-Sqj_Y

Hazys

Hazys wrote: »

Look at him block this FG...he just stood up and put his hand up...hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFbxDY50pc

Looking at that video, I'm surprised more NFL teams don't use their giant Tackles on FG blocking attempts.

For the Patriots, i don't see why they don't have Solder and Vollmer both 6"8' flanking Wilfork over center on FG tries? Surely they can move the Oline back a couple of inches and get their hands up...any idea why they don't? Injury risk?

HigginsJ

TO. wrote: »

A lot of raw talent in this kid. Be interesting to see will be people take a shot on him as high up at round 2. One thing he has in his favour is being part of SMU and June Jones's system. Jones is known to breed good ball players in SMU. More and more of them making the draft in recent years.

Here is in the 2012 Hawaii Bowl

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I watched that game and he was ridiculous. The 2nd half they blocked him with the OT, TE and got the RB to chip him on the way out

JaMarcus Hustle

Can someone check how long Hunt's arms measured in at? I would imagine at 6'8, they're quite long which would make the bench press even more stupidly impressive. Can't check my usual sites as they tend to mess about with the filter here at work

TO.

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Can someone check how long Hunt's arms measured in at? I would imagine at 6'8, they're quite long which would make the bench press even more stupidly impressive. Can't check my usual sites as they tend to mess about with the filter here at work

No get back to work. Im calling your boss and you will just have to wait until you get home.

He measured in unofficially before with a span of 82' so that is 6'8 give or take an inch. Can't find the measurement from this combine but I am on my phone.

adrian522

Margus Hunt SMU 6-8 277 33.68

He has a 2.1m wingspan, or 6'8''. 34.5' vertical jump, 121 inch broad jump.

Guy's a freak athlete, still very raw football wise though according to the scouts.

Stev_o

Teo runs a 4.81

Chucky the tree

Teo's stock just keeps on dropping.

Chucky the tree

Demontre Moore has had a shocker so far, I would have been happy enough with him at #3 going on the little I watched of him but now I can see him dropping to the 20's at least.

Stev_o

Jamie Collins just ****ed the Vertical Jump dry, 41 1/2 vertical jump.

HigginsJ

Stev_o wrote: »

Jamie Collins just ****ed the Vertical Jump dry, 41 1/2 vertical jump.

He a linebacker? Where he play college ball?

kmart6

Loltastic....

TO.

HigginsJ wrote: »

He a linebacker? Where he play college ball?

Southern Miss

Chucky the tree

4 reps on the bench press for the honey-badger. Although I'm pretty sure an actually honey badger would do better. For someone who's been claiming he's turned himself around that's a bit of a disaster.


A bit of redemption for Teo with his 4.27 shuttle and 7.13 3 cone.

Thud

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Teo's stock just keeps on dropping.

Supposedly teams want to ask him if he's gay:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/21766746/nfl-combine-florio-says-teams-want-to-know-if-teo-is-gay

Arawn

One anylist has come out and said it's a disgrace what the media and what not are doing to manti and tbh I think he has a bit of a point. Judge him on how he performs not on what you fear.


o is honeybadger up again today?? I didn't get to see much yesterday?

TaosHum

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Teo's stock just keeps on dropping.

I remember a few years ago Brandon Spikes was tipped to go mid first round until he ran a desperate 40 and ended up going late 2nd.

Maybe Teo won't drop quite as far, but I don't see him going in the first after that.

Arawn

To be fair after reading some guys are saying it wont affect him as he tops out at the 20 yard speed and teams knew that anyway. he's met with 20 out of 32 teams, till 1 am in some cases and starting at 4am in others. I imagine his pro day will benefit him greatly

Heffo001

TaosHum wrote: »

I remember a few years ago Brandon Spikes was tipped to go mid first round until he ran a desperate 40 and ended up going late 2nd.

Maybe Teo won't drop quite as far, but I don't see him going in the first after that.

Spikes ran it in 5 seconds so a decent bit slower than Te'o. I think too much is being made of this because of who Te'o is to be honest. Looking through the other top ILB times you have Minter (4.81), Ogletree (4.70), Brown (DNP) and Reddick (4.72). Out of those only Ogletree and Te'o participated in the 20 yard shuttle and Te'o was better in both. I mean I don't think people expected Te'o to come in and run a blazing 40 time and even if his 4.82 isn't great I don't think any of the other top ILBs have come in and dominated the combine either.

TO.

Straight line speed wont affect a Linebackers stock. In linebackers espcially inside guys you look for movement side to side and being able to adjust to cuts and gaps opening. The best Inside guys have the fastest movement and burst speed hitting opened holes and tracking Runningbacks and QBs. Lateral movement is key and the cone and shuttle drills show Teo has still got that ability.

Fan of him in college and I thought myself his stock might drop after the poor Bowl game and all the nonsense about him but it seems he could still go high. Plenty of teams still like him enough to take that risk.

Stev_o

Amerson runs a 4.38 considering his plummet he ll be a solid take by some team given the right coaching

Heffo001

Milliner with an unofficial 4.31 but Brooks sceptical that it was actually a 4.31. Amerson 4.47 second time round.

Chucky the tree

Heffo001 wrote: »

Spikes ran it in 5 seconds so a decent bit slower than Te'o. I think too much is being made of this because of who Te'o is to be honest. Looking through the other top ILB times you have Minter (4.81), Ogletree (4.70), Brown (DNP) and Reddick (4.72). Out of those only Ogletree and Te'o participated in the 20 yard shuttle and Te'o was better in both. I mean I don't think people expected Te'o to come in and run a blazing 40 time and even if his 4.82 isn't great I don't think any of the other top ILBs have come in and dominated the combine either.

The competition is poor. But considering he was consensus top 10 before catfish/bowl game I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped out of the first at this stage. He's a very average athlete who's high character(that's possibly debatable now) is all that stands out. Looking at the combine numbers for most players this seems like a very weak year for potential elite talent. If Teo was in last years draft he'd have been behind Keuchly and Hightower.

TO. wrote: »

Straight line speed wont affect a Linebackers stock. In linebackers espcially inside guys you look for movement side to side and being able to adjust to cuts and gaps opening. The best Inside guys have the fastest movement and burst speed hitting opened holes and tracking Runningbacks and QBs. Lateral movement is key and the cone and shuttle drills show Teo has still got that ability.

Fan of him in college and I thought myself his stock might drop after the poor Bowl game and all the nonsense about him but it seems he could still go high. Plenty of teams still like him enough to take that risk.

Yea he redeemed himself on the shuttle and cone alright, makes his terrible 40 time less important.

HigginsJ

Pro Day Dates courtesy of NFL.com




Pro days by date:

March 1: Purdue, Texas-El Paso

March 4: Alabama-Birmingham, Alabama State, Alcorn State, Minnesota, North Dakota State, Troy

March 5: Auburn, Buffalo, Harding, Jackson State, Northwestern, Tennessee-Chattanooga, Tuskegee, Youngstown State

March 6: Alabama A&M, Duquesne, Eastern Washington, Kent State, Mississippi State, North Alabama, Northern Arizona, Pittsburgh, South Florida, Texas Tech, Wisconsin

March 7: Arizona, Arkansas-Monticello, Clemson, Furman, Idaho, Illinois, Miami (Fla.), Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, Syracuse, Washington State

March 8: Arizona State, Cornell, Florida Atlantic, Florida International, Missouri State, Montana, Mount Union, Ohio State, Southern Mississippi, TCU, Texas A&M, Wofford

March 11: California (Pa.), Central Michigan, Penn State

March 12: Delaware State, Florida, Jacksonville State, Kansas State, Lehigh, Monmouth, Oklahoma State, Portland State, Towson, UCLA

March 13: Alabama, Central Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Colorado, Colorado State, Louisiana-Monroe, Marshall, Maryland, Michigan State, Oklahoma, Rutgers, Washington

March 14: Arkansas State, California, Fort Valley State, Georgia Tech, Grambling State, Michigan, Nevada, Oregon, Tulsa, UNLV, West Alabama, West Virginia

March 15: Arkansas, Georgia State, Kansas, Oregon State, San Jose State

March 18: Air Force, Albany State (Ga.), Howard, Idaho State, Indiana, Memphis, Montana State, Valdosta State, Villanova, Virginia Union, Wake Forest

March 19: Florida A&M, Florida State, Louisville, Richmond (with Liberty), Sam Houston State, San Diego State, Virginia

March 20: Ball State, Baylor, Central Florida, Connecticut, North Carolina State, Ohio, Sacramento State, Tennessee, Utah

March 21: Boise State, Eastern Kentucky, Georgia, Kentucky, Miami (Ohio), Old Dominion, Stanford, Stony Brook, Temple, William & Mary

March 22: Missouri Western, Tennessee State, Vanderbilt

March 25: Duke, Iowa, Middle Tennessee State, Stephen F. Austin

March 26: Iowa State, Louisiana Tech, McNeese State, North Carolina, North Carolina Central, Notre Dame, Texas

March 27: LSU, South Carolina, SMU, USC

March 28: BYU, Central Arkansas, Coastal Carolina, East Carolina, Louisiana-Lafayette, Yale

March 29: Southeast Missouri State

April 2: Columbia

DDC1990

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The competition is poor. But considering he was consensus top 10 before catfish/bowl game I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped out of the first at this stage. He's a very average athlete who's high character(that's possibly debatable now) is all that stands out. Looking at the combine numbers for most players this seems like a very weak year for potential elite talent. If Teo was in last years draft he'd have been behind Keuchly and Hightower.






Yea he redeemed himself on the shuttle and cone alright, makes his terrible 40 time less important.

Very average athlete?

Did T'eo steal your imaginary girlfriend or something! :P

He's an excellent athlete, with super instincts. He's a natural footballer and a natural leader.

His field drills, in which he looked slicker than any other ILB proves what an athlete he is.

He will be drafted in the first round. He will be the first or second ILB off the board.

Just because he didn't run a 4.6/4.7 in 2 attempts doesn't make him a "very average athlete".

Chucky the tree

DDC1990 wrote: »

Very average athlete?

Did T'eo steal your imaginary girlfriend or something! :P

He's an excellent athlete, with super instincts. He's a natural footballer and a natural leader.

His field drills, in which he looked slicker than any other ILB proves what an athlete he is.

He will be drafted in the first round. He will be the first or second ILB off the board.

Just because he didn't run a 4.6/4.7 in 2 attempts doesn't make him a "very average athlete".

The way you go on about him you must pretend to be his imaginary girlfriend. He's certainly not an excellent athlete. Again just because he looked good compared to his current competition does not make him a excellent athlete, it simply means his competition is poor. His play, and combine numbers when measured against other players who have been drafted previously make him look like a very average athlete.

Luke Keuchley
242lbs - 38" vert - 4.12 shuttle - 6.92 3 cone - 10.3 broad


Now that's an excellent athlete at the MLB position.

Te'o:
241lbs - 33" vert - 4.27 shuttle - 7.13 cone - 9.5 broad


This Te'o ranked
vert - joint 2nd out of 10
shuttle - 3rd out of 9
3 cone - 4th out of 9
broad - joint 2nd last out of 11

In 2012 in would of been:
vert - 7th out of 11
shuttle - 5th out of 8
3 cone - 5th out of 8
broad - joint 7th out of 12

2011:
vert - 7th out of 12
shuttle - joint 5th out of 11
3 cone- 5th out of 9
broad - joint 7th out of 12

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he is drafted in the first round, teams make poor decision every year, this one won't be any different.

LuckyLloyd

Chucky is right I think, his numbers and fluidity on the field aren't exactly poor, but they aren't top echelon NFL wise.

It will all come down to the game tape and there is lots and lots of ropey game tape of T'eo to be found if you want to find it.

LuckyLloyd

Chucky the tree wrote: »

4 reps on the bench press for the honey-badger. Although I'm pretty sure an actually honey badger would do better. For someone who's been claiming he's turned himself around that's a bit of a disaster.

Jaysus, that's dreadful!!