Sports Extra (TNT/Premier)

lertsnim

snaps wrote: »

The problem with sky though you can't get sports on its own. You need a basic pack, then extra for hd, extra now for setanta/espn/bt. Its over 100€ a month full stop. Horrific just for sports (mainly why people have pay tv for)

It should be illegal how they operate. Same goes for UPC too. If I want sports only then I should have the option of not having Entertainment channels I will never use.

jay0109

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jun/27/sky-free-premier-league-match
Free game on sky for 1st time ever....well that kinda answers my rhetorical q above about where is the competition!

"BT has emphasised its 15 "first pick" matches, but Sky still retains the upper hand because it can decide which weekends it has first choice on."

And that could mean that even if BT have 1st pick, it might only be on weekends when all the top teams play the bottom teams, rather than each other.
I'm starting to see more reasons why I don't need to shell out the extra euros for Setanta

channelsurfer2

yes I have pointed out that at best BT will have 4 or 5 good games including manu v everton/spurs and mancity/liverpool at christmas along with arsenal/manutd in february as their top of the top games. all other games of that quality bar 1 or 2 will be on Sky still. in fact most games will be at the same level as ESPNs were last year if just a little better...

mikeym

Will ESPN just show American Sports when the new Bt Sport channel launches?

NUTZZ

mikeym wrote: »

Will ESPN just show American Sports when the new Bt Sport channel launches?

They will have a mixture of content from the current ESPN channels.

ftakeith

I hope Espn will show the 530pm bundesliga live games on saturdays and more live bundesliga games on espn

if not I will stick to the legal web streaming of the bundesliga live tv games through betting website, www.bet365.com

if its like before bt sports, setanta, espn will not interest me

Infoanon

irishfeen wrote: »

I wonder will the encrypted channels include Irish variations of BT 1/2/ESPN when they launch, if they do it could mean Setanta could clean up with advertisement revenue depending on the deal with BT..

Irish variations of BT are expected - not a penny of advertising revenue would be going to Setanta.

Wonder how long the arrangement is for ? and if BT come to the conclusion that their product is the mainstay of the 'Setanta Pack', will they walk away and go it alone once they are established ?

IsMiseJoe

ftakeith wrote: »

I hope Espn will show the 530pm bundesliga live games on saturdays and more live bundesliga games on espn

if not I will stick to the legal web streaming of the bundesliga live tv games through betting website, www.bet365.com

if its like before bt sports, setanta, espn will not interest me

I'm in the same boat. If their coverage of the Bundesliga is the same as ESPN's last year then I won't bother with it...
The fact they have Rugby too is also very off putting

lertsnim

Is the rugby on BT Sport or ESPN? Bundesliga being shunted for rugby would be awful.

An Tarbh

lertsnim wrote: »

Is the rugby on BT Sport or ESPN? Bundesliga being shunted for rugby would be awful.

It's on BT, ESPN finished their contract in May.

mike2084

lertsnim wrote: »

Is the rugby on BT Sport or ESPN? Bundesliga being shunted for rugby would be awful.

I'm afraid BT Sport have exclusive Aviva Premiership Rugby & Top 14

ColmH81

I actually can't wait for it.. Means I get an excuse to have setanta and watch the NRL... Wouldn't get Setanta on its own..

lertsnim

mike2084 wrote: »

I'm afraid BT Sport have exclusive Aviva Premiership Rugby & Top 14

That's a good thing. It leaves the Saturday 5.30 slot free for the Bundesliga on ESPN

ftakeith

lertsnim wrote: »

That's a good thing. It leaves the Saturday 5.30 slot free for the Bundesliga on ESPN

I'll wait for the season to begin

I will be in germany to see 2 live games in munich and augsburg for the opening bundesliga weekend

energy1942

Frank Gallagher pissed wrote: »

20 quid is aload of ****. People here saying its good value are deluded, either rich or being taken for a complete mug.

I got all this content FREE up until now. The only addition is the ****ty 3pm games, I dont know why people are jizzing themselves about that. Oh I cant wait its Stoke West Ham this Saturday, please take 20 quid of my money a month, its a bargain!
Fools.

It looks good until you realise all of this content was free to Sky customers up until now. I cant see many getting rid of Sky Sports for BT/Setanta, not many will justify paying this additional cost. Its just one too far.

For existing Setanta customers like me already paying €16.99 per month, this looks like fantastic value for money, I had resigned myself to paying an extra €15 to €25 for BT Sports, so this arrangement For existing Setanta customers like me will work out really well.

channelsurfer2

energy1942 wrote: »

For existing Setanta customers like me already paying €16.99 per month, this looks like fantastic value for money, I had resigned myself to paying an extra €15 to €25 for BT Sports, so this arrangement For existing Setanta customers like me will work out really well.

energy are you one of the very few actually paying 16.99 a month as nearly everyone else seems to be getting it for halfprice or less. did you ever try cancelling and getting an offer?

energy1942

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

energy are you one of the very few actually paying 16.99 a month as nearly everyone else seems to be getting it for halfprice or less. did you ever try cancelling and getting an offer?

Yes is the answer to that, however they have not charged me for the multiroom since 2009, and having had a phone conversation with them yesterday, this is likely to continue for loyal customers, however the point I was making means that the increase will be much lower than I would have been anticipating.

MD1990

IsMiseJoe wrote: »

I'm in the same boat. If their coverage of the Bundesliga is the same as ESPN's last year then I won't bother with it...
The fact they have Rugby too is also very off putting

the problem with Bundesliga coverage is that Bayern & Dortmund play alot of there games on Saturday's at 2pm
the Premier League won't let them air them games live because of the 3pm rule
also regarding the 20Euro fee wher was that confirmed?
it says here that the price will be confirmed mid July http://www.setanta.com/ie/gamechanger

lertsnim

It's not the Premier League that blocks 3pm games in the UK. It's the FA.

IsMiseJoe

So technically BT can show 2.30pm Bundesliga games on Saturday afternoon but only in the Republic.
Very unlikely they will though...

lertsnim

And Wales. But as you suggest there is no chance of it

holidaysong

lertsnim wrote: »

It's not the Premier League that blocks 3pm games in the UK. It's the FA.

It's the British government that introduced the legislation. The FA don't make the laws.

lertsnim

Yes but the FA request it just like the SFA request it in Scotland and the FAW don't in Wales.

This is why Wales is not restricted in that ridiculous rule.

icdg

holidaysong wrote: »

It's the British government that introduced the legislation. The FA don't make the laws.

We are getting off topic here but to clarify, There is no UK law prohibiting the transmission of games at 3pm - if there were, Wales would be unlikely to be excluded and S4C would be unlikely to get away with their League of Wales games at 3pm on Saturdays!

The position in fact is that UEFA allows any member association to define a period during which the intentional transmission of any football is prohibited in their territory. The FA, Scottish FA, and IFA have defined such a period, the FAW and FAI have not.

http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/88494.pdf

Manc-Red

Announcement of live games on BT coming soon guys I wonder?

energy1942

I was told by phone to Setanta sports on Thursday that current Setanta customers will be written to within 10 days, It was not clear if I would be required to confirm my continuation or not.

One thing was made clear to me however was that there will be a requirement to pay the full full price from 1st August 2013 by all subscribers, although it is likely that loyal customers will be able to keep there free multiroom at least for a further period of time.

mollser

batistuta9 wrote: »

are you saying the companies should do a deal & hike up the price of their packs, even for people who don't want it?

No, both UPC and sky sports with Sky have an element already built in for the ESPN channels, there should be no need to hike to continue the status quo, or else you would expect the monthly subs to come down (2 chances).

Also, I sure as hell don't want to be paying for TLC and the like, but I do have to.

More pertinently, I do not like premiership football, but would like sky sports for the rugby and cricket. Do you think its fair that I need to pay €35 a month for sky sports, when most of that sub is to pay for the football??

ColmH81

mollser wrote: »

No, both UPC and sky sports with Sky have an element already built in for the ESPN channels, there should be no need to hike to continue the status quo, or else you would expect the monthly subs to come down (2 chances).

Also, I sure as hell don't want to be paying for TLC and the like, but I do have to.

More pertinently, I do not like premiership football, but would like sky sports for the rugby and cricket. Do you think its fair that I need to pay €35 a month for sky sports, when most of that sub is to pay for the football??

In an ideal world we'd be able to pay for just a rugby package.. Or football package... Where you only pay less than the e35 or whatever it is now..

icdg

ColmH81 wrote: »

In an ideal world we'd be able to pay for just a rugby package.. Or football package... Where you only pay less than the e35 or whatever it is now..

If the Premier League is all your interested in, it is possible, on satellite, to take either Sky Sports 1 or 2 on its own for €20 pm. You'd be doing so in the knowledge that Sky cannot show Premier League matches on Sky Sports 3 or 4. It used to be possible to do this on cable too, but it doesn't seem to be anymore.

The problem with what you suggest is that it would require Sky to operate sport-themed channels for each sport (otherwise it gets way too complicated as regards subscriber management). They do have the F1 channel and there is currently a temporary rebrand of Sky Sports 2 as a cricket channel Sky Sports Ashes (it will go back to normal in September). The problem with this is what do you do with other sports, and the fact that it removes scheduling flexibility.

boris george

Pricing has been announced.
€19.99 per month.
Annual offer €199 (Works out at €16.58 per month).

boris george

Manc-Red wrote: »

Announcement of live games on BT coming soon guys I wonder?

9th July.

el flaco

boris george wrote: »

Pricing has been announced.
€19.99 per month.
Annual offer €199 (Works out at €16.58 per month).

Link?

jack presley

el flaco wrote: »

Link?

It's on their Twitter and Facebook pages.

swoofer

yes, this is the bit "That’s cheaper per month than we currently charge! Given that we have 71 Premier League games including 18 Top Picks, more than ever Setanta is a subscription for the full season so this deal may suit you best. Of course you may want pay monthly. In that case the price will be €19.99 per month. Today we sent out letters to all our customers confirming these great new prices."

irishfeen

boris george wrote: »

Pricing has been announced.
€19.99 per month.
Annual offer €199 (Works out at €16.58 per month).

Its too much at that price for me anyway, I think they might regret the price increase and they have obviously taken the short term gain route that I predicted. Its a dangerous game and could potentially backfire on them if they ever loose PL rights.

kooga

irishfeen wrote: »

Its too much at that price for me anyway, I think they might regret the price increase and they have obviously taken the short term gain route that I predicted. Its a dangerous game and could potentially backfire on them if they ever loose PL rights.

from my perspective it used to cost me €35 per month to watch the aviva premiership rugby between sky and espn, now down to €19.99 a month on BT and i here more fixtures.

irishfeen

kooga wrote: »

from my perspective it used to cost me €35 per month to watch the aviva premiership rugby between sky and espn, now down to €19.99 a month on BT and i here more fixtures.

Ah yeah of course I know that there will be people like you but realistically is there enough people to pay 20 euro a month on top of sky sports on an annual basis... you have to remember anyone that I know with Setanta are paying half price at the moment...will they agree to 20 ... I just don't know.

I still think a lower subscription charge and lots and lots of new subscribers would have been better. There would have been a massive increase of subscription numbers if it was say 10 euro... What they need people to feel is that they are not being ripped off for what they are watching... Have they done that by increasing the cost... Definately not.

marco2068

Or you could do like i do, I don't subscribe to sky. I only get setanta only.

So it's going to cost me €20 a month. I don't have to pay the 30quid extra for the entertainment pack before getting sky sports.

irishfeen

marco2068 wrote: »

Or you could do like i do, I don't subscribe to sky. I only get setanta only.

So it's going to cost me €20 a month. I don't have to pay the 30quid extra for the entertainment pack before getting sky sports.

Thats fine if you want to head to the pub to watch the big matches... But most people I would think prefer to stay at home on the sofa.

Batesy

It's certainly gonna be an expensive season for soccer fans anyway. I'll be subscribing to the Setanta pack and Sky have me with the whole Super Sunday, Saturday Night Football and Monday Night Football.

Ah well. I won't miss a kick but I'll sure has hell pay for it!!

By my estimate it'll cost me over €600 per year for sport. Ouch.

pricewise987

Sky Sports - €35
Setanta/BT - €20
Racing UK - €26

€81 per month just for sport

€28 short of €1,000 per year

=============================================

Just rang and cancelled ALL 3.....

Have had enough of being a mug

Online options will do fine....:)

irishfeen

pricewise987 wrote: »

Sky Sports - €35
Setanta/BT - €20
Racing UK - €26

€81 per month just for sport

€28 short of €1,000 per year

=============================================

Just rang and cancelled ALL 3.....

Have had enough of being a mug

Online options will do fine....:)

And that's the exact problem that Setanta now faces in recessionary Ireland... People may just completely get rid of sports packages and head to the pub, just subscribe to sky sports and watch BT/Setanta games online or just buy a forreign sub to watch everything... As I said the 20 euro subscription may net Setanta short term gain but in the longer term is it driving fans to watch in other ways (especially now with the massive rollout of fibre networks)

batistuta9

what about the 'dodgy boxes'?

snaps

pricewise987 wrote: »

Sky Sports - €35
Setanta/BT - €20
Racing UK - €26

€81 per month just for sport

€28 short of €1,000 per year

=============================================

Just rang and cancelled ALL 3.....

Have had enough of being a mug

Online options will do fine....:)

35 for sky sports? You also need the entertaiment pack for 27€ as well. If you could get sports on its own it wouldn't be to bad

Infoanon

irishfeen wrote: »

Its too much at that price for me anyway, I think they might regret the price increase and they have obviously taken the short term gain route that I predicted. Its a dangerous game and could potentially backfire on them if they ever loose PL rights.

Is that €200 payable up front ? - a lot of people got burned when Setanta UK collapsed,

€20 a month is too high imho - there will probably be a connection fee on top of that - can see this going the way of ESPN -€10 pmth then dropped to nil as the take up was non existant

kooga

In terms of the sport season i'm going to pay month by month as both the rugby season and football season finishes in mid may and doesn't resume till mid august a break of 3 months so this is my logic €19.99 x 9 =€179.91 and that's €20 euro cheaper than the upfront payment of €200.

Anyway lets be honest the only show in town next summer is the world cup and that's fta on rte, bbc and itv!

byte

http://www.setanta.com/ie/gamechanger/

At least I know now that the BT Sport HD channels will be available. No Setanta HD though so presumably there are no plans for it.

Will I be able to view the channels in HD?
BT Sport 1, BT Sport 2 and ESPN will all be available in HD.

Kristopherus

batistuta9 wrote: »

what about the 'dodgy boxes'?

Indeed. Just a matter of more people finding out about them.

batistuta9

Kristopherus wrote: »

Indeed. Just a matter of more people finding out about them.

do you have one?

irishfeen

Just a heads up lads, nearly all talk of dodgy boxes and the likes will end up with you being banned from this forum.