Hare Coursing

Zombienosh

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/animal-rights-group-urges-racecourse-to-stop-hosting-hare-coursing-586297.html

The Irish Council Against Blood Sports has urged Limerick Racecourse to stop hosting hare coursing.

Irish Council Against Blood Sports said the event witnessed "horrific scenes of hares being mauled and battered by muzzled greyhounds".

WARNING: The article includes footage of hares being mauled.

So what do we think, cruel and should be banned? or acceptable?

Drakares

Zombienosh wrote: »

WARNING: The article includes footage of hares being mauled.

As in proper fúcked?

Zombienosh

indeed. I thought it was only a pikey thing.

Seachmall

If God didn't want them to be mauled he would've made them faster.

hyperborean

Acceptable,

Dyr

Usual stone age bogger carry on, they'd be out badger baiting if we let 'em. They probably are anyway

ejmaztec

Zombienosh wrote: »

indeed. I thought it was only a pikey thing.

It's a country thing.

I'm sure it's been banned in some places around the country, but obviously not all.

hyperborean

Bambi wrote: »

Usual stone age bogger carry on, they'd be out badger baiting if we let 'em. They probably are anyway

Who is we, and what makes you a better person?

gobnaitolunacy

Zombienosh wrote: »

indeed. I thought it was only a pikey thing.

Limerick, need we say more?


I don't get how any seemingly civilised person could get their jollies watching it.

starlings

cruel and unnecessary - or at least, I don't see the point to it when you can watch the dogs running after a mechanical rabbit and watch the mad march hares on the hills.

Seachmall

hyperborean wrote: »

Who is we, and what makes you a better person?

Not watching a terrified animal get ripped apart for enjoyment makes Bambi a better person.


If it was done to a dog in a garden by one man with a knife we call it animal abuse and demand he be locked up.

If it's done to a hare on a racecourse by 50 men with dogs we call it sport and let it continue.

Matt_Trakker

Seachmall wrote: »

Not watching a terrified animal get ripped apart for enjoyment makes Bambi a better person.

Someone didn't read the article, eh?
How can a greyhound rip a hare to pieces if it's muzzled?
From the article the hares were just mauled, so they got a few smacks off a few dogs, they all lived.

I've no probs with it, big deal it's some dogs chasing some hares and people gamble on it.

ejmaztec

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Someone didn't read the article, eh?
How can a greyhound rip a hare to pieces if it's muzzled?

I've no probs with it, big deal it's some dogs chasing some hares and people gamble on it.

I'm sure the hare doesn't notice the muzzles when it's having a fatal heart attack trying to get away from the yokels and their dogs.

Seachmall

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

From the article the hares were just mauled, so they got a few smacks off a few dogs, they all lived.

You're right.

Here's a new sport: who can drop kick a rabbit the furthest?

Rabbits are a resilient bunch, they'll survive. It's a just a bit of fun anyway!

hyperborean

Seachmall wrote: »

Not watching a terrified animal get ripped apart for enjoyment makes Bambi a better person.


If it was done to a dog in a garden by one man with a knife we call it animal abuse and demand he be locked up.

If it's done to a hare on a racecourse by 50 men with dogs we call it sport and let it continue.

arrogant towny, of course when your sitting down to your roast chicken this sunday you can waffle on to your significant other about the terror of the hares but really- that chicken had a worse life than the hare, all for your pleasure
boooo whooooooooooooo

Ava_e

If the Hare is caught he is ripped to shreds by the dogs, and if he does not die instantly from shock/fear. His last moments on Earth are spent alone anguished and dying in unbreable agony. What a horrible undignifed way for any living creature to go.

Matt_Trakker

ejmaztec wrote: »

I'm sure the hare doesn't notice the muzzles when it's having a fatal heart attack trying to get away from the yokels and their dogs.

Where exactly in the article did it say that?........Oh, it didn't.

Seachmall wrote: »

You're right.!

I agree.

Seachmall wrote: »

Rabbits are a resilient bunch

Not really.

Wouldn't see the fun in humans kicking animals, this is just some muzzled dogs chasing hares. It's not even a blood sport as far as I'm concerned, as they aren't killed. They used to be, but that's been put to an end.

Ava_e wrote: »

If the Hare is caught he is ripped to shreds by the dogs

Please explain how a hare is 'ripped to shreads' by a muzzled dog. It would seem if they cannot use their teeth then it's quite impossible. Enlighten me.

hyperborean

Ava_e wrote: »

If the Hare is caught he is ripped to shreds by the dogs, and if he does not die instantly from shock/fear. His last moments on Earth are spent alone anguished and dying in unbreable agony. What a horrible undignifed way for any living creature to go.

More rubbish, jasus is there no end to the crap people come out with..


THEY ARE WEARING MUZZLES

Seachmall

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Wouldn't see the fun in humans kicking animals, this is just some muzzled dogs chasing hares.

You don't need to see the fun in it.

I would, great laugh. And just as morally justifiable too.

hyperborean wrote: »

arrogant towny, of course when your sitting down to your roast chicken this sunday you can waffle on to your significant other about the terror of the hares but really- that chicken had a worse life than the hare, all for your pleasure
boooo whooooooooooooo

I'm not a towny.

And I never said I'd a problem with killing animals for food. I think terrorising them for enjoyment is wrong though.

ejmaztec

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Where exactly in the article did it say that?........Oh, it didn't.

It's not in the article, so it doesn't happen?

Hilarious!

Zombienosh

hyperborean wrote: »

More rubbish, jasus is there no end to the crap people come out with..


THEY ARE WEARING MUZZLES

I've seen pictures of dogs having the muzzles removed after catching up to them.

kylith

It's a thorny issue. I disagree with bloodsports in general. The hounds are muzzled these days, but the hare is still under a considerable amount of stress.

One of the good things, though, is that the coursers have to take an active interest in the preservation of hares and their habitats if they wish to keep coursing.

starlings

hyperborean wrote: »

arrogant towny, of course when your sitting down to your roast chicken this sunday you can waffle on to your significant other about the terror of the hares but really- that chicken had a worse life than the hare, all for your pleasure
boooo whooooooooooooo

How do you know what Seachmall eats? I eat meat, but I don't play with my food by getting dogs to chase it round a racecourse. I've no problem with hunting for food, or wearing animal skins, but enjoying the distress of a wild animal is disgusting to me.

Wile E. Coyote

Zombienosh wrote: »

I've seen pictures of dogs having the muzzles removed after catching up to them.

At a legally held event you've seen pictures of dogs having their muzzles removed so they could tear the hare to bits? I doubt that very much.

planetX

Muzzle the spectators and make them run - now that would be worth betting on.

Hares are still killed and maimed by muzzled dogs, and the cruelty to greyhounds is a whole other side of this disgusting pastime that needs highlighting.

hyperborean

kylith wrote: »

One of the good things, though, is that the coursers have to take an active interest in the preservation of hares and their habitats if they wish to keep coursing.

This is quite true and the hare populations in area's covered by coursing clubs are always stronger than when left to there own devises in area's were disease and poisin are not tackled.

Ava_e

@ Matt Tracker, I have see hare coursing where the animals are not muzzled.

They could have been some scumbag group with their own agenda ?. But the Hares when caught were torn to shreds.

hyperborean

starlings wrote: »

How do you know what Seachmall eats? I eat meat, but I don't play with my food by getting dogs to chase it round a racecourse. I've no problem with hunting for food, or wearing animal skins, but enjoying the distress of a wild animal is disgusting to me.

Poor you, im sure the animals you eat are delighted that you actively oppose hare coursing on the internet.

Matt_Trakker

ejmaztec wrote: »

It's not in the article, so it doesn't happen?

Hilarious!

Oh it's side-splitting.
Simple rule of debating, let me fill you in......if you're using an article as evidence for your claims, then it's best to have one that proves, or at least suggests, your claims. The article linked is so seen as the founding evidence, so that's what I was using.

Also, dogs must be muzzled in all legal events. If there are illegal events you know of where the dogs are not muzzled then you should report them to the authorities.

Ava_e wrote: »

@ Matt Tracker, I have see hare coursing where the animals are not muzzled.

They could have been some scumbag group with their own agenda ?. But the Hares when caught were torn to shreds.

Maybe you have, but from your posts I'm taking the liberty of not believing you. But as I say above, you should report them if you have seen unmuzzled dogs chasing hares. So please report them and then let us know how it goes.

hyperborean

Ava_e wrote: »

@ Matt Tracker, I have see hare coursing where the animals are not muzzled.

They could have been some scumbag group with their own agenda ?. But the Hares when caught were torn to shreds.

Did you report this to the Garda?

Zombienosh

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

At a legally held event you've seen pictures of dogs having their muzzles removed so they could tear the hare to bits? I doubt that very much.

Perhaps not at this annual event in limerick but throughout the year and while training the dogs. I'm not coursers don't like having to use the muzzles or even care about muzzles or hares through out the rest of the year.

Ava_e

hyperborean wrote: »

More rubbish, jasus is there no end to the crap people come out with..


THEY ARE WEARING MUZZLES

Stop shouting, and no the ones I have seen were not. Like I said they could have their own agenda, but they were practing hare coursing, without a muzzle

starlings

hyperborean wrote: »

Poor you, im sure the animals you eat are delighted that you actively oppose hare coursing on the internet.

has your reasoning been coursed, or does your mind naturally run around in defensive circles?

hyperborean

Ava_e wrote: »

Stop shouting, and no the ones I have seen were not. Like I said the could have their own agenda.

I dont believe you,

RossPaws

Anyone who thinks that the hares are safe just because the dogs are muzzled needs to do a quick bit of research.

Greyhounds are lithe, but they're strong and even when muzzled they can do considerable damage to a hare.

By flipping the animal with their snout or slapping at it with a paw when they catch up to it, they can cause it to tumble and break its back or leg, and if you don't think that's as good as a death sentence under the circumstances then I'd have to say you're purposely turning a blind eye to the cruel side of the sport because you for some reason want to justify it.

Wile E. Coyote

Ava_e wrote: »

Stop shouting, and no the ones I have seen were not. Like I said they could have their own agenda, but they were practing hare coursing, without a muzzle

So basically what you're saying is you were walking through a field one day and saw a dog chasing a rabbit/hare. You don't just stumble across multiple illegal coursing events unless you know where to look.

Stepping Stone

hyperborean wrote: »

This is quite true and the hare populations in area's covered by coursing clubs are always stronger than when left to there own devises in area's were disease and poisin are not tackled.

This isn't a great thing though. The coursing clubs import non-native hares (different species) so they are really not doing our native hares any favours. They will push them to the point of extinction without a second thought if it comes to it.

As for poison, I have never encountered any examples of hares being poisoned. I do increasingly see non-native hares around the area that I grew up in which is a real pity.:(

starlings

Stepping Stone wrote: »

This isn't a great thing though. The coursing clubs import non-native hares (different species) so they are really not doing our native hares any favours. They will push them to the point of extinction without a second thought if it comes to it.

As for poison, I have never encountered any examples of hares being poisoned. I do increasingly see non-native hares around the area that I grew up in which is a real pity.:(

Our native hares are a subspecies found nowhere else on earth. Having survived the ice age, it'd be a sick joke if they were finally wiped out by twisted clowns with dogs.

archer22

Of course it cruel barbaric and stupid and totally unnecessary only fools could argue otherwise..and what you see at coursing events is only the tip of the iceberg.And as for being 'Sport' my arse you wont ever see that being in the Olympics!!

anncoates

Didn't look at the link but how can they maul them with muzzles on?

And yes, it should be banned if the hares are being mauled, obviously.

ejmaztec

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

Oh it's side-splitting.
Simple rule of debating, let me fill you in......if you're using an article as evidence for your claims, then it's best to have one that proves, or at least suggests, your claims. The article linked is so seen as the founding evidence, so that's what I was using.

If you're having problems accepting the more than blindingly obvious, here's a taster:

The little hare is a gentle, inoffensive creature and in many cases it dies of fright, hotly pursued by two hyped up dogs — and hyped up is the operative word. Many die in flight; they drop dead from heart attacks; so too would the Minister if he were coursed and hotly pursued by two Rothweilers

http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0432/D.0432.199306230100.html

flanders1979

archer22 wrote: »

Of course it cruel barbaric and stupid and totally unnecessary only fools could argue otherwise..and what you see at coursing events is only the tip of the iceberg.And as for being 'Sport' my arse you wont ever see that being in the Olympics!!

Maybe it should be, we might have a chance at a medal.

starlings

anncoates wrote: »

Didn't look at the link but how can they maul them with muzzles on?

And yes, it should be banned, obviously.

'mauled' is the wrong word to use, which is a pity because it undermines the argument against the distress the animals suffer, and as others have posted, it's not uncommon for hares to die of fright and exhaustion after being coursed.

meoklmrk91

It's barbaric and archaic, there is no question in my mind that it should be banned. It's the animals that lose out here 100% of the time, the hares and the poor greyhounds. I can't understand anyone who could support it.

I used to breed rabbits as pets and kept in contact with the new owners to see how everything was going. One of my babies was stolen along with another rabbit by travellers for coursing. When I heard that my stomach turned, I gave up breeding after that, never had another litter.

Matt_Trakker

ejmaztec wrote: »

If you're having problems accepting the more than blindingly obvious, here's a taster:



http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0432/D.0432.199306230100.html

Ah yes, we can always believe what's said in Parliament.

clashburke

Ava_e wrote: »

Stop shouting, and no the ones I have seen were not. Like I said they could have their own agenda, but they were practing hare coursing, without a muzzle

if those people don't follow the law on muzzling the dogs, what makes you think they will follow a total ban?

Coursing legally is very different to illegal coursing!!

Ava_e

To the people who belief I'm lying, this was my experience with hare coursing.


The coursing event I went to was in England where it is illegal . I was staying with my friend and her family, the are into all types of hunting shooting etc... after luch we went for a walk, his son is into hare coursing and he and his fiends had organised it, I went over not really knowing what expect. The dogs were muzzled at first, I found it unplesent, and it did distress the hares a lot.

Towards the end of the evening, it was suggest by the son that the muzzles be taken off, or as one of the party said laughing "one for dinner later".

Two dogs were unmuzzled and ripped the hares to shreds in seconds. As I said earlier maybe their scumbag behaviour is down to overpopulation, either way then and now I found it disgusting.

Hunter21

I get the impression all those that want coursing banned want the legal one banned yet they do not realise the money such events bring to local economies, how coursing clubs have actually made hare numbers rise in certain areas and also are unaware that coursing clubs employ vets for both animals welfare.

Before some of ye start voting- ye might think about educating yourself on the subject.

golfball37

This is the think end of the wedge afaic. What comes next? Banning Hurling because its too violent.:rolleyes:

These are dumb animals ffs. Its a Sport that brings pleasure to many in the countryside and is an integral part of Irish culture. If you don't like it ignore it but why ruin it for 1000's who rightly or wrongly derive some form of entertainment from it.

starlings

Hunter21 wrote: »

I get the impression all those that want coursing banned want the legal one banned yet they do not realise the money such events bring to local economies, how coursing clubs have actually made hare numbers rise in certain areas and also are unaware that coursing clubs employ vets for both animals welfare.

Before some of ye start voting- ye might think about educating yourself on the subject.

Money doesn't, and shouldn't, guide ethics.

hyperborean

Ava_e wrote: »

To the people who belief I'm lying, this was my experience with hare coursing.


The coursing event I went to was in England where it is illegal . I was staying with my friend and her family, the are into all types of hunting shooting etc... after luch we went for a walk, his son is into hare coursing and he and his fiends had organised it, I went over not really knowing what expect. The dogs were muzzled at first, I found it unplesent, and it did distress the hares a lot.

Towards the end of the evening, it was suggest by the son that the muzzles be taken off, or as one of the party said laughing "one for dinner later".

Two dogs were unmuzzled and ripped by the hares to shreds in seconds. As I said earlier maybe their scumbag behaviour is down to overpopulation, either way then and now I found it disgusting.

Thats not coursing, thats feeding a live hare to a greyhound. The people who do this are not right in the head.