Ireland has the sickest population in Europe

Daithi 1

Ireland has the sickest population in Europe. You may not know this. I certainly didn’t. But, across a comprehensive raft of essential measures, it is scientifically, verifiably, true. We are sick – to our teeth!
Why is this so? The elephant in the room, according to Irish scientist Declan Waugh, is the fluoridation of our water supply. Again, many people might assume that this is a Europe-wide initiative. The opposite is the case. We are now the only members of the European Union still being exposed to the industrial waste chemical used in fluoridation, known as hydrofluorosilicic acid.

In 2012 Declan Waugh delivered a report, entitled Human Toxicity, Environmental Impact and Legal Implications of Water Fluoridation, which spectacularly blows the lid off the State’s position on the issue. As a result, amongst the international scientific community, Waugh is now regarded as a leading expert on the subject. His evidence regarding fluoridation’s harmful effects is being used in Canada, the US, Australia and Israel to help stop the practice there. Yet at home, his findings are being ignored by the authorities and the mainstream media.

What this scientist has to say is painful to hear – but can we risk not listening? Over to you, Declan.

We’ve Been Drinking Fluoride for 50 Years

Before I started my examination of water fluoridation, like most people in this country – including medical and scientific professionals – I was completely unaware of the long-term implications of fluoride on human health or the environment. I just presumed, given that the State has been pursuing this policy since I was born, that it was safe, and that they had done their own due diligence risk-assessment on it.

It is almost 50 years since we’ve been dumping this stuff into our water – and yet the truth is that there hasn’t been one public health study done in Ireland to examine the human health impact of consuming this chemical.

The first principle that any doctor has to follow is ‘Do no harm’. That the Department of Health mandated a legislative policy for a chemical to be added to the drinking water supply to be consumed by everybody, without testing the chemical for its toxicological profile and potential impact on health, is therefore a serious breach of professional ethics.

But when we look at the health of the Irish population since the mid-’60s, when the Irish water supply began to be fluoridated, we see that the disease burden in this country has gone through the roof.

When I started looking at the health data for Ireland, I had no idea that our nation was as sick as it is. Ireland has:

• the highest cancer incidence of all European countries, even as far as Russia.

• the highest incidence of neurological illness

• the highest incidence of cardiovascular illness

• and the highest incidence of diabetes.

In 2006, the National Academy of Sciences in America published one of the most comprehensive reports on fluoride, known as the National Research Council (NRC) report. 12 experts from a whole range of medical and toxicological backgrounds spent four years reviewing all the data. The findings of their 500-page report were astonishing. It details how fluoride affects things like the thyroid, diabetes, cancer, neurological illnesses, gastro-intestinal diseases, skeletal and muscular-skeletal pain, lowered IQ and other neurological problems in children…

This research is out there for our Government and the Department of Health to read. But I want to tell everyone what it says, so that this information is finally, definitively out there in the public domain in Ireland.



There is no doubt in my mind that the record-breaking levels of sickness in Ireland are related to our water fluoridation. Other European countries either never started the practice, or gave it up decades ago.



- See more at: http://www.hotpress.com/features/reports/Hot-Press-Report-Fluoride/9609873.html?new_layout=1#sthash.XGeYhPpa.ar0oxu2A.dpuf

Mr. CooL ICE

Jesus tap dancing christ...

super_furry

The elephant in the room is our poor diet and alcohol consumption.

Duggys Housemate

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Duggys Housemate

super_furry wrote: »

The elephant in the room is our poor diet and alcohol consumption.

The unlinked unproven unverified elephant in the room.

Cungi

Not to mention 46 yr olds shaggin 74 yr olds.

Ziphius

From the National Cancer Registry of Ireland

"1. There is no good evidence to link fluoride levels in water, whether natural or added, to cancer risk. The International Agency for Research on Cancer has concluded &#147;The relationship between cancer mortality or incidence and both natural and artificial fluoride in drinking-water has been investigated in a large number of descriptive epidemiological studies of population aggregates, carried out in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Norway, the United Kingdom and the United States. None of the studies provided any evidence that an increased level of fluoride in water was associated with an increase in cancer mortality&#148;.

2. The maps do not show a clear difference between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, but for a small number of cancers there is a smooth gradient in cancer risk from the north-east to the south-west of Ireland, increasing right across the island. There is no evidence of a change in this gradient at the border except for prostate cancer for which differences in PSA testing rates are the obvious and accepted explanation.

3. Although the bulk of the population in the Republic of Ireland lives in cities and large towns, where the water is fluoridated, most of the area shown on the map is sparsely populated and without fluoridated water supplies, so water fluoridation cannot be suggested as an explanation for the patterns seen."

http://www.ncri.ie/pubs/water%20fluoridation-6.shtml

brandon_flowers

Cough, cough...

upstairs for coffee

It's more unethical than anything else, making the consumption of a non-essential drug mandatory - bit backward.

BBDBB

Cungi wrote: »

Not to mention 46 yr olds shaggin 74 yr olds.

at least some of em are living that long

Yep, it's definitely all down to that water we're drinking. Everything else we put into our bodies is pure and natural.

triple-M

wont somebody please think of the children!!...

AnonoBoy

Correlation does not imply causation.

Where's the actual evidence that it causes all these things?

super_furry

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Correlation does not imply causation.

Where's the actual evidence that it causes all these things?

You would ask that, what with you being a reptilian member of the illuminati and all.

Daithi 1

Daithi 1 wrote: »

....The elephant in the room, according to Irish scientist Declan Waugh, is the fluoridation of our water supply.....

Oh God not this again!

ronjo

Its because people dont take their shoes off at the door !

super_furry

Also all these elephants in people's room surely can't be healthy.

AnonoBoy

super_furry wrote: »

You would ask that, what with you being a reptilian member of the illuminati and all.

QUIET YOU!!!!

While the mind control aspect of the fluoride argument (and the Nazis used it etc. etc.) are mad conspiracy ravings I am actually open to listening to the arguments about the health effects. But I've yet to read one proper peer-reviewed study that proves the claims that people are making.

Daithi 1

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Correlation does not imply causation.

Where's the actual evidence that it causes all these things?

Here..

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=2204

PlainP

It's probably all that horse we're eating :-P

drdeadlift

Sacramento wrote: »

Oh God not this again!

Its a problem that should be addressed

Latchy

It's all that horse meat in the burgers ...tis making us all ill I tell's ya .

( beaten to it by by PlainP by fraction of a second)

Daithi 1

Ziphius wrote: »

From the National Cancer Registry of Ireland

"1. There is no good evidence to link fluoride levels in water, whether natural or added, to cancer risk. The International Agency for Research on Cancer has concluded “The relationship between cancer mortality or incidence and both natural and artificial fluoride in drinking-water has been investigated in a large number of descriptive epidemiological studies of population aggregates, carried out in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Norway, the United Kingdom and the United States. None of the studies provided any evidence that an increased level of fluoride in water was associated with an increase in cancer mortality”.

2. The maps do not show a clear difference between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, but for a small number of cancers there is a smooth gradient in cancer risk from the north-east to the south-west of Ireland, increasing right across the island. There is no evidence of a change in this gradient at the border except for prostate cancer for which differences in PSA testing rates are the obvious and accepted explanation.

3. Although the bulk of the population in the Republic of Ireland lives in cities and large towns, where the water is fluoridated, most of the area shown on the map is sparsely populated and without fluoridated water supplies, so water fluoridation cannot be suggested as an explanation for the patterns seen."

http://www.ncri.ie/pubs/water%20fluoridation-6.shtml

Did you not read the article ?

Comparisons With Northern Ireland

Northern Ireland is non-fluoridated, but the south is fluoridated. Despite what people might like to think, it is established that there is no real difference genetically between the two populations. The only known environmental toxin that’s not present in the north that is present in the south is fluoridated drinking water – so you can look at the data from both regions and see from a disease point of view how different our populations are. The comparisons are astonishing.

• We have four and a half times the early onset of dementia in healthy adults aged between 39 and 59 than they have in Northern Ireland. This is the group that was exposed to fluoride as children. The dementia in this group is a result of neurotoxicity.

• The south has twice the incidence of diabetes they have in Northern Ireland. Diabetes costs the state about 1.7 billion euros a year. We have 400,000 diabetics, and another 250,000 pre-diabetic. If we had the same incidence ratio of diabetes as in Northern Ireland, we would halve the amount of money that we’re spending on diabetes alone.

• There was a bloody conflict that took place in Northern Ireland for forty years, yet the south still has double the level of people who are suffering from depression.

• We started fluoridating in Ireland in the mid-1960s. By the mid-’70s, over 50% of the southern population were drinking fluoridated water. Now in that period, we had an 80% increase in cardiovascular mortality in Ireland. And we experienced that increase when internationally there was a 20% reduction in mortality from cardiovascular disease. - See more at: http://www.hotpress.com/features/reports/Hot-Press-Report-Fluoride/9609873.html?new_layout=1&page_no=4&show_comments=1#sthash.O5AjTWzT.dpuf

pappyodaniel

I thought sick was a good thing, damn Americans!

upstairs for coffee

It's probably all the horse meat.

Mr. CooL ICE

Has anyone blamed the horse meat for this yet?

super_furry

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Did you not read the article ?

I did, yesterday. Now show me the scientific evidence that shows that fluoride is responsible. Correlation does not imply causation.

Ziphius

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Did you not read the article ?

Comparisons With Northern Ireland

The National Cancer registry wrote this in direct response to people like you and Waugh who are misusing there their data.

"Some maps contained in an All-Ireland Cancer Atlas published recently by the N. Ireland Cancer Registry and the National Cancer Registry have been used erroneously by anti-fluoridation groups to suggest a link between water fluoridation and cancer. The atlas in which these maps were published (and some previous reports) has analysed the differences in cancer risk between the two countries. [HC1] We do not consider that water fluoridation is a plausible explanation for the patterns shown. We have reached this conclusion for a number of reasons:"


You cannot simple compare two countries and assume that the myriad differences in health is due to fluoridated water. It is nonsense.

drdeadlift

Horse haha

Latchy

5-30 at Chepstow -

1st - Sick as a Pig - 33/1

Daithi 1

• 98% of Europe does not fluoridate the water supply on health and ethical grounds.

• Only 10% of Britain is fluoridated. These areas show the same extremely high disease burdens as the Republic of Ireland.

• The fluoridating agent used in Ireland is hydrofluorosilicic acid (chk), a component of toxic waste industrial chemicals. This acid is non-biodegradable, highly corrosive, and is contaminated with heavy metals including arsenic, aluminium, lead and mercury. This is different to the naturally occurring calcium fluoride, which is 85 times less toxic.

• Hydrofluorosilicic acid was used as a biocide until it was banned by the EU in 2006 due to a lack of human and environmental safety data. Now the Irish government are buying it from Spain.

• That fluoride is good for the teeth was a myth, originally promoted in the US in the ‘40s, to get the public to accept industrial waste chemicals into their water supplies. It was basically a way for industries to dispose of hydrofluorosilicic acid and other waste by-products. For more information, watch the free documentary, The Fluoride Deception, on YouTube.

• Fluoride is not an essential nutrient. No disease has ever been linked to a fluoride deficiency. Humans can have perfectly good teeth without fluoride. When fluoride has been discontinued in communities from Canada, the former East Germany, Cuba and Finland, dental decay has decreased.

• Ireland has the worst dental health of Western EU countries, despite being the only country to have a policy of mandatory water fluoridation. The improvements in dental health since 1980 have been significantly greater in other EU countries with no water fluoridation policy.

• Dental fluorosis ­­­– white, discoloured or weakened patches on the teeth – is evidence of fluoride poisoning. One third of all children in the Republic have dental fluorosis.

- See more at: http://www.hotpress.com/features/reports/Hot-Press-Report-Fluoride/9609873.html?new_layout=1&page_no=10&show_comments=1#sthash.aDdYtDUE.dpuf

Ziphius

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Did you not read the article ?

Also, since when has Hotpress been a good source of scientific data?

Daithi 1

super_furry wrote: »

I did, yesterday. Now show me the scientific evidence that shows that fluoride is responsible. Correlation does not imply causation.

Again.. skim if you like.

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=2204

Daithi 1

Ziphius wrote: »

Also, since when has Hotpress been a good source of scientific data?

Heres good scientific data..

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=2204

N64

This post is quite similar to the nonsense that another recently banned user posts. Care to take a guess which one?

My name is URL

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity..

God forbid that some new research be conducted into the whole fluoridation thing. Ireland is always behind the curve when it comes to issues like public health.. what makes anyone think that we have it right regarding water fluoridation?

We're the only country in the EU still adding the stuff to the majority of water supplies. 71% of water supplies to be exact.. while no other country has more than 10% of theirs fluoridated. But I'm sure our scientists and politicians know better than the rest of Europe's... lol

Ziphius

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Heres good scientific data..

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=2204

Thanks!

Page 10

"These studies provide no credible evidence for an association between fluoride in drinking water and the risk of cancer".

Colonialboy

Ziphius wrote: »

The National Cancer registry wrote this in direct response to people like you and Waugh who are misusing there their data.

"Some maps contained in an All-Ireland Cancer Atlas published recently by the N. Ireland Cancer Registry and the National Cancer Registry have been used erroneously by anti-fluoridation groups to suggest a link between water fluoridation and cancer. The atlas in which these maps were published (and some previous reports) has analysed the differences in cancer risk between the two countries. [HC1] We do not consider that water fluoridation is a plausible explanation for the patterns shown. We have reached this conclusion for a number of reasons:"


You cannot simple compare two countries and assume that the myriad differences in health is due to fluoridated water. It is nonsense.

So they are admitting there is a difference in the cancer patterns north and south of the border ...
but are admant flouridation is not the root cause.. so what is the root cause for this north south division,
Im interested to know what carcinogen is so respective of geographical boundaries

Daithi 1

Ziphius wrote: »

Thanks!

Page 10

"These studies provide no credible evidence for an association between fluoride in drinking water and the risk of cancer".

You left out the next few paragraphs. Care to post those too ?

flintash

My name is URL wrote: »

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity..

God forbid that some new research be conducted into the whole fluoridation thing. Ireland is always behind the curve when it comes to issues like public health.. what makes anyone think that we have it right regarding water fluoridation?

We're the only country in the EU still adding the stuff to the majority of water supplies. 71% of water supplies to be exact.. while no other country has more than 10% of theirs fluoridated. But I'm sure our scientists and politicians know better than the rest of Europe's... lol

Took the words out of my mouth

3ndahalfof6

Nettles is the answer, I chew them raw, once my spit bucket is half full I boil it up and drink the left overs, it works a treat,

why is there so much cancer on the east coast?

Ziphius

Colonialboy wrote: »

So they are admitting there is a difference in the cancer patterns north and south of the border ...
but are admant flouridation is not the root cause.. so what is the root cause for this north south division,
Im interested to know what carcinogen is so respective of geographical boundaries

IT depends on the type of cancer I imagine. And, indeed, some cancers are more common in the North than the Republic. There is probably no single explanation

The patterns aren't as simple as anti-fluoirde activists try to make out.

See here:

"The atlas shows that in the period 1995-2007:

Coastal and urban areas had a significantly higher risk of both types of skin cancer;

Bowel cancer was more common around Cork city and in a band across the north of the island;

Lung cancer risk was higher in urban areas&#151;Belfast, Dublin, Derry and Cork&#151;and in the east

Prostate cancer risk was much higher in the Republic of Ireland than in N. Ireland

Stomach cancer risk was highest in a band running from Dublin to Donegal;"

You can find the atlas online here: http://www.ncri.ie/atlas/atlas_contents.shtml

It makes interesting reading.

LordSutch

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Ireland has the sickest population in Europe. You may not know this. I certainly didn’t. But, across a comprehensive raft of essential measures, it is scientifically, verifiably, true. We are sick – to our teeth! Why is this so? The elephant in the room, according to Irish scientist Declan Waugh, is the fluoridation of our water supply.

There is no doubt in my mind that the record-breaking levels of sickness in Ireland are related to our water fluoridation. Other European countries either never started the practice, or gave it up decades ago.

I agree with Declan Waugh that its worth considering "the possibility" that too much fluoride may be a health issue? but we need proof.

Ziphius

Daithi 1 wrote: »

You left out the next few paragraphs. Care to post those too ?

I'll just post the conclusion:

"Based on its review of available data on the toxicity of fluoride, the subcommittee concludes that EPA's current MCL of 4mg/L for fluoride in drinking water is appropriate as an interim standard."

Page 11

Daithi 1

LordSutch wrote: »

I agree with Declan Waugh that its worth considering "the possibility" that too much fluoride may be a health issue? but we need proof.

Why do we need proof ? We are paying 10 million annually for this crap. 98% of Europe has either never fluoridated of seized due to ethical or health reasons.

It's obviously not doing us any good, so why bother when there is a possibility is very bad ?

If in doubt, take it out.

drdeadlift

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Why do we need proof ? We are paying 10 million annually for this crap. 98% of Europe has either never fluoridated of seized due to ethical or health reasons.

It's obviously not doing us any good, so why bother when there is a possibility is very bad ?

If in doubt, take it out.

I hear they buy it from china,

LordSutch

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Why do we need proof ? We are paying 10 million annually for this crap. 98% of Europe has either never fluoridated of seized due to ethical or health reasons.

It's obviously not doing us any good, so why bother when there is a possibility is very bad ? If in doubt, take it out.

Yes Daithi, I would tend to be on your side of the argument alright, but a real study & solid proof wouldn't do any harm at all.

CrazyRabbit

Just to be safe, I'm going to stop drinking all water. Not a single drop shall pass these lips!

Daithi 1

drdeadlift wrote: »

I hear they buy it from china,

Irish fluoride is said to be from Spain. This is the official line, but it's quite suspicious and hard to believe they are mining in Spain only for fluoride for Ireland.
I'm no expert but that's the info I picked up from a Anti-Fluoride meeting recently.

IM0

LordSutch wrote: »

I agree with Declan Waugh that its worth considering "the possibility" that too much fluoride may be a health issue? but we need proof.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Why do we need proof ? We are paying 10 million annually for this crap. 98% of Europe has either never fluoridated of seized due to ethical or health reasons.

LMAO!!

BBDBB

I want to believe