Should Paddy Jackson be dropped for the France game?

Grimebox · 01-03-2013 2:20pm

PAULWATSON wrote: »

I don't think they matter, always struck me as a marketing exercise.

Fair enough, at least you consistent

.ak · 01-03-2013 2:50pm

PAULWATSON wrote: »

As hooky said, he has never been a decent goal kicker, that won't change now. Look at the quality of his striking, it is not that he is missing with good solid strikes that are off line, he is totally slicing most of his efforts.

What? He was a fantastic kicker at under age levels. Watch the opening game in the Aviva again.

80% of what George Hook says is made up, you do realise that, don't you?

PAULWATSON · 01-03-2013 2:57pm

.ak wrote: »

What? He was a fantastic kicker at under age levels. Watch the opening game in the Aviva again.

Didn't follow his career at underage. My opinion is based on having watched or been in attendance for the vast majority of ulster games since PJ came on the scene.

Going tonight.

.ak wrote: »

80% of what George Hook says is made up, you do realise that, don't you?

Can't stand the man, wannaba Dunphy.

mfceiling · 01-03-2013 3:54pm

.ak wrote: »

What? He was a fantastic kicker at under age levels. Watch the opening game in the Aviva again.

80% of what George Hook says is made up, you do realise that, don't you?

And the other 20% is mostly shíte...

.ak · 01-03-2013 5:22pm

PAULWATSON wrote: »

Didn't follow his career at underage. My opinion is based on having watched or been in attendance for the vast majority of ulster games since PJ came on the scene.

But decent is exactly how I'd describe his goal kicking for ulster. Sure he's at 70+% this season.

jm08 · 01-03-2013 6:44pm

.ak wrote: »

But decent is exactly how I'd describe his goal kicking for ulster. Sure he's at 70+% this season.

PJs goal kicking can be erratic when the pressure is on (i.e., U20s 6Ns last year). Keatley has great kicking stats for the Rabo, very poor though for Heineken Cup.

totallegend · 01-03-2013 8:28pm

Debate over.

thomond2006 · 01-03-2013 8:52pm

totallegend wrote: »

Debate over.

Yeah he's played well.

Having Sexton back would still be better mind.

leonard7 · 01-03-2013 9:12pm

PJ MotM

leonard7 · 01-03-2013 9:13pm

leonard7 wrote: »

PJ MotM

Your move ROG...

p.s. how did Madigan play?

Eod100 · 01-03-2013 9:19pm

leonard7 wrote: »

Your move ROG...

p.s. how did Madigan play?

Looks like he got 3 out of 4 conversions: http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/matchcentre/11091.php

leonard7 · 01-03-2013 9:20pm

ahh the match wasnt televised i forgot

Irlandczyk · 01-03-2013 9:23pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Looks like he got 3 out of 4 conversions: http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/matchcentre/11091.php

Unfortunately, kicking stats aren't the only thing we should use to rate his play altogether, the only thing we can go on at the moment though, unless someone here has been to the game and can report?

I'm getting rightly annoyed at the lack of Leinster coverage lately... I've been of the opinion that Madigan is by far and away the best choice as a replacement for Sexton, but I must admit, after tonight Jackson definitely deserves to start against France, Madigan on the bench.

totallegend · 01-03-2013 9:29pm

Irlandczyk wrote: »

Unfortunately, kicking stats aren't the only thing we should use to rate his play altogether, the only thing we can go on at the moment though, unless someone here has been to the game and can report? I'm getting rightly annoyed at the lack of Leinster coverage lately... I've been of the opinion that Madigan is by far and away the best choice as a replacement for Sexton, but I must admit, after tonight Jackson definitely deserves to start against France, Madigan on the bench.

Definitely agree but kicking stats are the stick that Madigan and Jackson have been beaten with over the last while. 75% is decent, seems the missed kick was from the touchline too.

Mark Tainton was there tonight so hopefully he took plenty of notes.

Rightwing · 02-03-2013 12:59am

Should Jackson be dropped? Absolutely.

Irlandczyk · 02-03-2013 1:01am

Rightwing wrote: »

Should Jackson be dropped? Absolutely.

Why? Give me at least 2 reasons that don't involve kicking.

Piliger · 02-03-2013 6:53am

Rightwing wrote: »

Should Jackson be dropped? Absolutely.

A player who gets chosen once can hardly be said to have been dropped, anyway :-) He may simply not be selected again.

In my view the choice of Jackson or Madigan was such a knife edge one - and Jackson did ok ... but not amazingly well.

Hence I believe that Madigan should also be given a chance, especially as our season is well and truly f****d now anyway.

Sandy Vag · 02-03-2013 7:12am

Ronan O'Gara should be starting. His confidence has taken a bit if a knock given he was relegated to the bench for the game in murrayfield. If he starts he will no doubt be back to his best with the knowledge he has full support of Irish management

hardCopy · 02-03-2013 7:39am

Sandy Vag wrote: »

Ronan O'Gara should be starting. His confidence has taken a bit if a knock given he was relegated to the bench for the game in murrayfield. If he starts he will no doubt be back to his best with the knowledge he has full support of Irish management

I couldn't disagree more, there's no place for ROG in the squad. Madigan or Jackson to start with the other to bench.

Sandy Vag · 02-03-2013 7:43am

hardCopy wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more, there's no place for ROG in the squad. Madigan or Jackson to start with the other to bench.

O'Gara needs to be given a proper chance. This coming on for 10 minutes isn't suiting him and trying to change the direction of a game in the closing stages is pointless pressure. He needs the full 80 to shape the game

Hippo · 02-03-2013 8:08am

Sandy Vag wrote: »

O'Gara needs to be given a proper chance. This coming on for 10 minutes isn't suiting him and trying to change the direction of a game in the closing stages is pointless pressure. He needs the full 80 to shape the game

He got a bit more than 10 minutes against England. He's started for Munster this season - this debate is well and truly over.

Sandy Vag · 02-03-2013 8:12am

Hippo wrote: »

He got a bit more than 10 minutes against England. He's started for Munster this season - this debate is well and truly over.

No it's not over. He didnt get a full game so your response is moot. Anyway I have it on good authority he will be starting against France

clsmooth · 02-03-2013 8:13am

Sandy Vag wrote: »

Ronan O'Gara should be starting. His confidence has taken a bit if a knock given he was relegated to the bench for the game in murrayfield. If he starts he will no doubt be back to his best with the knowledge he has full support of Irish management

Sandy Vag wrote: »

O'Gara needs to be given a proper chance. This coming on for 10 minutes isn't suiting him and trying to change the direction of a game in the closing stages is pointless pressure. He needs the full 80 to shape the game

When was his last decent performance for Ireland? Or Munster for that matter

Sandy Vag · 02-03-2013 8:14am

clsmooth wrote: »

When was his last decent performance for Ireland? Or Munster for that matter

His last decent performance for Ireland was when he last started a game for Ireland

sydthebeat · 02-03-2013 8:15am

Sandy Vag wrote: »

No it's not over. He didnt get a full game so your response is moot. Anyway I have it on good authority he will be starting against France

Obvious troll.....

Heroditas · 02-03-2013 8:25am

Anyone listening to Off the Ball last night? Could have sworn they were calling for ROG to start next week if he played well this weekend and nailed his kicks.
I nearly crashed the car.

Sandy Vag · 02-03-2013 8:30am

Heroditas wrote: »

Anyone listening to Off the Ball last night? Could have sworn they were calling for ROG to start next week if he played well this weekend and nailed his kicks.
I nearly crashed the car.

As I said its likely he will. Your views are skewed on this forum. It's like an echo chamber. Anyone with a contrary view is accused of being a troll

Heroditas · 02-03-2013 8:33am

Obvious troll is obvious

Sandy Vag · 02-03-2013 8:36am

Heroditas wrote: »

Obvious troll is obvious

As I said....

irishbucsfan · 02-03-2013 8:43am

Sandy Vag wrote: »

His last decent performance for Ireland was when he last started a game for Ireland

Which was?

Grimebox · 02-03-2013 10:37am

Rightwing wrote: »

Should Jackson be dropped? Absolutely.

I was suggesting before that Kidney make a bold decision and put in Madigan since the France game has lost some of its importance.

But after watching the Ulster game last night, we absolutely have to start Jackson. I hate to change my mind after one match but 7/9 kicks at goal, great defensive effort, immaculate kicks from hand and a few brain farts due to inexperience. I haven't seen a great deal of him playing but he has everything to grow into an outstanding outhalf.

ironingbored · 02-03-2013 10:58am

legendary.xix wrote: »

I think the fly-half position needs it's own thread. Jackson's performance on Sunday was dreadful in respect of his kicking duties. I'm a supporter of Kidney and am not calling for his head but could not believe the decision to go with Jackson.

Despite Jackson's terrible kicking, it's not a foregone conclusion that he will be dropped. While not likely, I could envisage Ulster's Rabo game going in a direction that the might have to overlook Jackson for the kicks at a crucial moment in the game.

Does Jackson's chance of starting against France hinge on how he plays for Ulster this weekend?

Didn't think there were any left.

You're as rare as a unicorn.

ironingbored · 02-03-2013 11:03am

legendary.xix wrote: »

It's a hard call. I didn't think O'Gara should have been dropped for Jackson. Madigan was the only player I'd have seen ahead of O'Gara for Sunday if a change was needed.

Having gone for O'Gara at the outset of the championship, I think Kidney should stick with him unless a player is playing himself into contention with his province. Jackson has not with Ulster. It should be over to a player in another province.

If Jackson's doesn't nail his kicks on Friday and Madigan is across the water in Wales the same evening, there'll be a bit more of a clamour for Madigan to get the call.

That's a ridiculous reason for sticking with a player. Madigan should have started last week based purely on form.

ROG should drop out of the squad altogether.

I'd have Madigan start and PJ on the bench.

Quint2010 · 02-03-2013 11:37am

Kidney won't drop Jackson after last night-and ROG will only need to kick 4 from 8 in front of the posts tonight to be on the bench.

.ak · 02-03-2013 11:41am

Don't feed the trolls people.

Eod100 · 02-03-2013 1:50pm

hardCopy wrote: »

I couldn't disagree more, there's no place for ROG in the squad. Madigan or Jackson to start with the other to bench.

I agree with you but do you think Kidney would drop O'Gara from the squad?

Think it's unlikely myself but then again he did take the captaincy away from O'Driscoll so who knows!

e04bf097 · 02-03-2013 5:06pm

Just watching the Quins v Exeter game, Steenson was man of the match.
The guy is class, is he available to us?

Brewster · 02-03-2013 5:18pm

e04bf097 wrote: »

Just watching the Quins v Exeter game, Steenson was man of the match.
The guy is class, is he available to us?

Fine player, Leinster could do worse! Yes he is available to Ireland

bilston · 02-03-2013 6:08pm

Brewster wrote: »

Fine player, Leinster could do worse! Yes he is available to Ireland

Just signed a new contract with Exeter. Good player. Played in the same U21 team as Bowe, Heaslip, O'Leary and Fitzpatrick so isnt too young but is wirthy for consideration IMO.

legendary.xix · 02-03-2013 6:09pm

ironingbored wrote: »

That's a ridiculous reason for sticking with a player. Madigan should have started last week based purely on form.

ROG should drop out of the squad altogether.

I'd have Madigan start and PJ on the bench.

It wasn't a ridiculous statement at all. Your call for Madigan matches the second part of the statement you've highlighted.

danthefan · 02-03-2013 6:19pm

If we look back a week, Madigan should have started and Jackson should have benched. ROG should have been told he was surplus to requirements.

That didn't happen however. So Jackson should keep his place imo, partly because he's a good player and partly for continuity purposes, especially after a solid kicking display last night. Madigan should bench. ROG should be told he's surplus to requirements.

Piliger · 02-03-2013 6:20pm

ironingbored wrote: »

I'd have Madigan start and PJ on the bench.

Seconded. And I would tell them in advance that both will play in both of our next games.

rrpc · 02-03-2013 6:26pm

Piliger wrote: »

Seconded. And I would tell them in advance that both will play in both of our next games.

And if Sexton is fit?

mollser · 02-03-2013 6:36pm

rrpc wrote: »

And if Sexton is fit?

Sexton had nothing to prove. 2 years out from a world cup with the 6n we and truely over, time to blood the new boys in.

PJ to start, mads on the bench for next two games is the right thing to do for the future of the irish team

Piliger · 02-03-2013 6:47pm

rrpc wrote: »

And if Sexton is fit?

Mmmmm ... actually maybe yes. We know what Sexton can do. We know all we need to know about him. Use this opportunity to really test where we stand for the coming five years in this position.

Some may say we need to win matches because of our International rating - but I say both of these players are totally competent and we will not lose either game simply because of playing either one. We are losing matches anyway because of what's between most of our players ears, not which player we are selecting imho.

irishbucsfan · 02-03-2013 6:51pm

6 Nations games against France aren't going to be used to test new players unless it's absolutely necessary.

Grimebox · 02-03-2013 6:53pm

mollser wrote: »

Sexton had nothing to prove. 2 years out from a world cup with the 6n we and truely over, time to blood the new boys in.

PJ to start, mads on the bench for next two games is the right thing to do for the future of the irish team

That's never going to happen. Kidney rolling the dice one last time and possibly winning the wooden spoon to add to his legacy? That would be insanity

bilston · 02-03-2013 7:32pm

If Sexton is fit then of course he starts. My concern is that he will actually be fit! I would hate for Ireland to take a risk with him and for his last couple of months with Leinster to be ruined as a result.

slippy wicket · 02-03-2013 8:20pm

Looks to me like ogara has played himself out of the game next week.
Madigan or Jackson in whatever combo please.

jamiedav2011 · 02-03-2013 8:22pm

slippy wicket wrote: »

Looks to me like ogara has played himself out of the game next week.
Madigan or Jackson in whatever combo please.

In fairness, he didn'y play himself out of anything tonight, in fact that was his best performance for a while. Not that that's saying too much.

Should Paddy Jackson be dropped for the France game?

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