Foreigners working in Ireland-what do you think about irish employers?

sorsha

So, what is your experience. I live and work over 6 years here and I am not sure if I am just not lucky, but every single employer I worked for was selfish, simple minded and greedy person.
I am very reliable, always punctual, educated person with common sense and always when I stated new job I was full of enthusiasm and commitment -what I got in return - little or no respect, no rise in salary and in general nobody ever appreciated my work and efforts.
I am just disappointed and bit frustrated at this point.
Why is it so hard to find fair and good employer here?

kylith

It's not just foreigners, they treat their Irish staff the same way.

Nodin

Well, if ye were born here ye'd discover much the same, to be honest. There are some good employers out there, of course. I never worked for any of them though.

FatherLen

are you asking the foreigners of AH specifically or am i allowed answer?

Celly Smunt

A polish guy i know said he'd work for an Irish employer of a polish employer because they're cunts to work for when the get over here apparently.

not yet

Whoop diddly whoop, you got a couple of bad employers live with it everyone else does.

sorsha

FatherLen wrote: »

are you asking the foreigners of AH specifically or am i allowed answer?

Maybe I asked wrong question. It's not just about the foreigners, but everyone.

-and I am talking mostly about "low pay jobs", my education is not the most practical one, so I was forced to work mostly in places like restaurants/coffee shops.
All together- a horrible experience which made me dislike people unfortunately.

sensormatic

you should be lucky to have a job in these times,,,,:pac:

sorsha

One more thing - sorry to say this, but especially Irish women are horrible bosses, they really are evil sometimes and its not only that they have treated me badly, but sometimes how they were to new, less experienced people.
Two times I quit my job, because I was trying to protect someone from simply humiliation.

Gyalist

I am a foreigner working in Ireland and if Carlsberg made employers, my employer would be the best employer in the world.
This shouldn't really be surprising as I am the employer.

Galwayguy35

When I started working at 17 I got some good advice, "leave your feelings at the front door".

Employers can be grumpy and sometimes shout at their workers, you have to be tough and not let it bother you.

Celly Smunt

Gyalist wrote: »

I am a foreigner working in Ireland and if Carling made bosses, my boss would be the best boss in the world.
This shouldn't really be surprising as I am the boss.

My boss is better,he's the best AND sexiest boss in the world.

orestes

sorsha wrote: »

Maybe I asked wrong question. It's not just about the foreigners, but everyone.

-and I am talking mostly about "low pay jobs", my education is not the most practical one, so I was forced to work mostly in places like restaurants/coffee shops.
All together- a horrible experience which made me dislike people unfortunately.

Ah, see there's your problem. It's nothing to do with nationalities or being in a different country or anything like that Working in the service industry will just make you think pretty quickly that most people are cnuts.

Ush1

How have you been shown a lack of respect? Lots of people aren't getting salary rises.

Culleeo

Gyalist wrote: »

I am a foreigner working in Ireland and if Carling made bosses, my boss would be the best boss in the world.
This shouldn't really be surprising as I am the boss.

Carlsberg

How many jobs have you actually had in six years?

luke87

worked with lot of irish sub-contractors over the years and some of the foremen were very tough worked you like animals for ****e money some were ok though but a lot of bad ones just my experience.

De Hipster

sorsha wrote: »

Maybe I asked wrong question. It's not just about the foreigners, but everyone.

-and I am talking mostly about "low pay jobs", my education is not the most practical one, so I was forced to work mostly in places like restaurants/coffee shops.
All together- a horrible experience which made me dislike people unfortunately.

All of your bosses in Ireland have been horrible? Or just all of your Irish bosses specifically?

Perhaps it's not all the bosses' fault?

who the fug

pmcmahon wrote: »

A polish guy i know said he'd work for an Irish employer of a polish employer because they're cunts to work for when the get over here apparently.

Very reminiscence of the Irish and Irish subbies in London , they even ranked them by county

mattjack

OP , so far you complained about Irish women bosses , Irish employers and restaurants/coffee shops , anything else ?

Micky Dolenz

I find the generalising and prejudiced show here highly ironic.

sorsha

Deleted User wrote: »

How many jobs have you actually had in six years?

5 (almost 7 years) First one let me go, when I was sick, second let me manage the whole place for minimum wage for almost 2 years - 6days a week, sometimes 12 hours a day and when I said thats it and I gave 2 weeks notice, she is not even saying hello to me when I meet her on the street. Nice :rolleyes:

seamus

This is always going to be an issue with small business. You're being employed directly by the owner, whose primary focus is on his own bottom line.

Since raising your pay costs him more in tax, then he's not going to increase your pay for doing the same job you were doing last week. If you're great at what you do, then the employer may sweeten your deal a little bit (like an extra 20c per hour), but ultimately from his point of view, if you go somewhere else he'll be able to find someone else to do the same job for the same pay. So there's little incentive for him to throw stuff at you to hold onto you.

And since it's a small business, then all of the management tasks are usually being taken care of by the owner or a manager underneath him. Which means no matter how great you are, there's no position to promote you to, and no need to promote you.

Small business owners have it very tough in Ireland. While I'm sure some are just plain mean bastards, many of them are simply trying to make ends meet, so they're not going to throw money at you.

Really it's easier in larger companies because your manager is going to be less concerned about the bottom line and more concerned about how his reports look. And if you make his reports look good, then he'll give you more money to hang onto you. Larger companies also have a bigger turnover of staff, so more potential for training and promotion.

sorsha

mattjack wrote: »

OP , so far you complained about Irish women bosses , Irish employers and restaurants/coffee shops , anything else ?

Thats were I used to work and it happens that women were my bosses- one man actually was quite OK.

seamus

sorsha wrote: »

5 (almost 7 years) First one let me go, when I was sick, second let me manage the whole place for minimum wage for almost 2 years - 6days a week, sometimes 12 hours a day and when I said thats it and I gave 2 weeks notice, she is not even saying hello to me when I meet her on the street. Nice :rolleyes:

How many times did you ask for a pay increase?

sorsha

seamus wrote: »

Since raising your pay costs him more in tax, then he's not going to increase your pay for doing the same job you were doing last week. .

The think is -as I said before I was usually doing more and more and I had more duties every month, so I was never doing exact the same job from the begining to the end.

mattjack

sorsha wrote: »

Thats were I used to work and it happens that women were my bosses- one man actually was quite OK.

What's it like back home ? Is every employer friendly , do you get pay rises easily , is it easy to get work ? Is there a minimum wage ?

Would I be allowed settle there , gain employment , educate my children ?

sorsha

seamus wrote: »

How many times did you ask for a pay increase?

Few times, once I got it. There was something else, twice I couldn't force my employer to pay tax for me and the worse think was there was few more people working full time in that place and 3 or 4 of them were on Job seekers benefits etc (about 200€ monthly) - owner knew it and it was ok with her :rolleyes:.
One girl told me ,what she got from social is paying her car loan. :pac: shocking
But thats the different subject..

sorsha

mattjack wrote: »

What's it like back home ? Is every employer friendly , do you get pay rises easily , is it easy to get work ? Is there a minimum wage ?

Would I be allowed settle there , gain employment , educate my children ?

Did you mean - go back if you don't like it? :pac:

It is probably pretty much the same, but I asked other people how is here for them, so it doesnt matter- I live in Ireland now.

mattjack

sorsha wrote: »

Did you mean - go back if you don't like it? :pac:

It is probably pretty much the same, but I asked other people how is here for them, so it doesnt matter- I live in Ireland now.

Not at all , you know very well if you're here legally you're entitled to be here'
However you were,nt invited here, you came here by choice most likely to live a better lifestyle.

sorsha

mattjack wrote: »

Not at all , you know very well if you're here legally you're entitled to be here'
However you were,nt invited here, you came here by choice most likely to live a better lifestyle.

To be honest if not my husband I am not sure if I would be living a better lifestyle, I am lucky to be free to quit if things are not going right, but what about the people who have no choice.
It really is horrible how the small business owners are treating their employees -also it is horrible to watch how they run their business.
No wonder they have to close down so often, they have no clue how to do it properly and instead of beeing smart with their money, they spend it on cars and holidays. Somebody here before said they have to struggle to make any money -from my experience, they usually spend more than they should on stupid things.

HondaSami

sorsha wrote: »

So, what is your experience. I live and work over 6 years here and I am not sure if I am just not lucky, but every single employer I worked for was selfish, simple minded and greedy person.
I am very reliable, always punctual, educated person with common sense and always when I stated new job I was full of enthusiasm and commitment -what I got in return - little or no respect, no rise in salary and in general nobody ever appreciated my work and efforts.
I am just disappointed and bit frustrated at this point.
Why is it so hard to find fair and good employer here?

How would you compare it to your own country, what were your bosses like there?
Do you think Irish bosses treat Irish people better?

sorsha

HondaSami wrote: »

Do you think Irish bosses treat Irish people better?

No, I don't think so. Maybe once it happened that I should got promoted and someone irish who knew less than me and was sometimes late and not good for the job was,but in general I don't think so.

walrusgumble

sorsha wrote: »

So, what is your experience. I live and work over 6 years here and I am not sure if I am just not lucky, but every single employer I worked for was selfish, simple minded and greedy person.

Ya, they probably are, but, most business people are barely surving , they have plenty of overheads, expensive lifestyles (one must keep up with the Jones' afterall), and, most importantly, they are running a business for profit, they are not running a socialist movement or a charity. The less they have to pay, the bigger they get. They are out for themselves. It just happens that many of them employ Irish people who then get to enjoy a moderate lifestyle via wages.

sorsha wrote: »

I am very reliable, always punctual, educated person with common sense and always when I stated new job I was full of enthusiasm and commitment -what I got in return - little or no respect, no rise in salary and in general nobody ever appreciated my work and efforts.

Again, as you know, it is a business , not a charity. Bonuses are rare, you know this. I am sure, no matter how brilliant you are, these guys think that you (and anyone) is not irreplaceable

I am sure you understand why many trive to become their own bosses (if they can)

sorsha wrote: »

I am just disappointed and bit frustrated at this point.
Why is it so hard to find fair and good employer here?

Ah, some are alright, but don't expect much now. Sure aren't we all meant to hate our employers? Avoid Christmas Parties, you really see the really bad side of most of them

Nodin

walrusgumble wrote: »

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Ah, some are alright, but don't expect much now. Sure aren't we all meant to hate our employers? Avoid Christmas Parties, you really see the really bad side of most of them

These are words of wisdom. However some places will hold it against you if you avoid the Christmas party.

(How are we defining "small business" for the purposes of this thread, btw?)

walrusgumble

sorsha wrote: »

5 (almost 7 years) First one let me go, when I was sick, second let me manage the whole place for minimum wage for almost 2 years - 6days a week, sometimes 12 hours a day and when I said thats it and I gave 2 weeks notice, she is not even saying hello to me when I meet her on the street. Nice :rolleyes:

Take heed of the wise words of EDDIE Temple (Michael Gambon's Character) In Layer Cake (that film with Daniel Craig, very young Tom Hardy ,Sennia Milner, our own Colm Meaney)

"You're born, you take ****. You get out in the world, you take more ****. You climb a little higher, you take less ****. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what **** even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake son."

walrusgumble

Nodin wrote: »

These are words of wisdom. However some places will hold it against you if you avoid the Christmas party.

(How are we defining "small business" for the purposes of this thread, btw?)

True, but after a few years and kind of being "a law unto oneself" , you really don't give a ****e what the boss thinks, sure it is a few less quid of his bill, hey. Sure thankfully, there is always some birthday, anniversary, funeral (gulp) that crops up.

Gran Hermano

OP, I've noticed one constant in your tales of woe; you.

Whilst it might be easier to keep blaming others and looking for reasons based on gender or nationality the root of your problem may be closer to home.

not yet

Gran Hermano wrote: »

OP, I've noticed one constant in your tales of woe; you.

Whilst it might be easier to keep blaming others and looking for reasons based on gender or nationality the root of your problem may be closer to home.

OMG..........did you just say that.

mattjack

Gran Hermano wrote: »

OP, I've noticed one constant in your tales of woe; you.

Whilst it might be easier to keep blaming others and looking for reasons based on gender or nationality the root of your problem may be closer to home.

How dare you .

Nodin

Gran Hermano wrote: »

OP, I've noticed one constant in your tales of woe; you.

Whilst it might be easier to keep blaming others and looking for reasons based on gender or nationality the root of your problem may be closer to home.

Back in central/eastern Europe? Is it Czcibor? I bet it is....shifty lookin shite-hawk like him.

Gran Hermano

not yet wrote: »

OMG..........did you just say that.

People get treated according to how they let others treat them.

not yet

Gran Hermano wrote: »

People get treated according to how they let others treat them.

Cool your jets I was Kidding.

Forest Demon

Its not just employers. I am finding that other people are a pox

Nodin

Forest Demon wrote: »

Its not just employers. I am finding that other people are a pox

Thats total bollocks.









You can get a cure for the pox.

sorsha

Forest Demon wrote: »

Its not just employers. I am finding that other people are a pox

Yes, maybe you are just right. Much to many- simple minded, dull and not very bright. I am simply too good for what I was doing and I was usually surrounded by people less intelligent and less open minded than myself.
This is it, I was never were I belonged.

HondaSami

sorsha wrote: »

No, I don't think so. Maybe once it happened that I should got promoted and someone irish who knew less than me and was sometimes late and not good for the job was,but in general I don't think so.

It's your opinion you were better for the job, the Irish person might know less and be late a few times but he was probably loyal to his employer and was prepared to give a little more than was necessary.

You have a very high opinion of yourself and a low opinion of your co workers, not a good quality imo

not yet

sorsha wrote: »

Yes, maybe you are just right. Much to many- simple minded, dull and not very bright. I am simply too good for what I was doing and I was usually surrounded by people less intelligent and less open minded than myself.
This is it, I was never were I belonged.

It's starting to sound like you have a problem with most Irish people employers or not.

sorsha

HondaSami wrote: »

It's your opinion you were better for the job, the Irish person might know less and be late a few times but he was probably loyal to his employer and was prepared to give a little more than was necessary.

You have a very high opinion of yourself and a low opinion of your co workers, not a good quality imo

What makes you think I was not loyal and I wouldn't be prepared to "give a little more"?

Nodin

sorsha wrote: »

Yes, maybe you are just right. Much to many- simple minded, dull and not very bright. I am simply too good for what I was doing and I was usually surrounded by people less intelligent and less open minded than myself.
This is it, I was never were I belonged.

I'm not sure where you belong, with that attitude.

sorsha

Nodin wrote: »

I'm not sure where you belong, with that attitude.

With what attitude? That is just true, this industry is filled with this kind of people unfortunately -talking more about employers, not coworkers..