Overtaken in a 50 zone outside a school by a HGV

Damien360

How in gods name is this thread still alive. Truck passed on white line.......should not have done it......finish thread.

Buford T Justice

CiniO wrote: »

OK, maybe I'm just not using appropriate descriptions.

By conditions I mean the whole environment of the road. Amount of traffic, pedestrians, dangerous spots, places where hazards might be hidden, visibility, road surface, etc.
That's the road conditions for me, In general all what is happening around me.

In general driving HGV except that you have to be aware of your vehicle size and weight and consider it when driving, doesn't differ that much from driving a car.

In general it does differ. That's my point. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Like I said, don't talk about things you know nothing about., least of all be dismissive

CiniO

Buford T Justice wrote: »

In general it does differ. That's my point. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Like I said, don't talk about things you know nothing about., least of all be dismissive

How do you know I know nothing about it?

Lawless2k12

Aw lads just end it now will ye?!??

NONE of you can say what the OP meant, None of you can say whether it was safe or dangerous or deserving of bans and fines and jail!

For all we know, the OP could just be blowing smoke out their arse. We've been offered no evidence, only hearsay.

If the events really happened then OP can post the video and stop with their "Legal" sh!te so we can all see how the events really happened and if this 40 ton/ 40 foot lorry was actually doing the 80kmh that they guessed.

Everyone b!tching about why the trucker was wrong hasn't a clue and they should really just shut up until evidence is provided because I'm extremely skeptical about the whole story. I don't see why any professional driver would just bomb it into a 50 zone and overtake someone outside a school without being a bit p!ssed off with them beforehand. And it would still be dangerous even after school closing time (And 5pm does not mean it was closed. I remember having band practice until 6pm in my primary school many moons ago)

No one can say the OP was speeding either as their speedo can read anywhere between 50kmh and 59kmh depending on the percentage error set to it.

Now lets all just wait and see can the OP prove my skepticism wrong by providing this video that they claim they have...

Buford T Justice

CiniO wrote: »

How do you know I know nothing about it?

I'm making an assumption. Apologies. I'll refer to my previous statement.

If you are a qualified and experienced professional driver then you need to go back to the classroom if that's the way you think and or drive.

CiniO

Buford T Justice wrote: »

I'm making an assumption. Apologies. I'll refer to my previous statement.

If you are a qualified and experienced professional driver then you need to go back to the classroom if that's the way you think and or drive.

I'm in the classroom every year for CPC.
I've been driving for last 14 years. Done over half a million kilometres. I've no penalty points, and full NCB on my policy. I've never caused an accident.
I drive professionally, and while it's only part-time job, I'm driving a coach and my passengers never said a bad word about my driving. Usually they are rather happy.

So in general, NO - I don't think there is something wrong with my way of thinking and driving.

pa990

does the OP have the registration number of the truck?
if he doesn't, then his complaint won't go to far.

if he has the reg number then, as written complaint will be needed and a court appearance.

in 6 or 12 months time when/if this matter gets to court, the op mightn't be too bothered abut something that happened so long ago.




my 2 cents

Cash is king

CiniO wrote: »

I'm in the classroom every year for CPC.
I've been driving for last 14 years. Done over half a million kilometres. I've no penalty points, and full NCB on my policy. I've never caused an accident.
I drive professionally, and while it's only part-time job, I'm driving a coach and my passengers never said a bad word about my driving. Usually they are rather happy.

So in general, NO - I don't think there is something wrong with my way of thinking and driving.

Ahem,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvHxCXJFK9o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

CiniO

Cash is king wrote: »

Ahem,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvHxCXJFK9o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

What about it?
I think we had a long discussion here, which was eventually finished by moderator closing the thread. Anyway I already said then, that this was the best option I could choose to do in this situation. Whatever else I did, I would probably end up with crashed car.

Buford T Justice

CiniO wrote: »

I'm in the classroom every year for CPC.
I've been driving for last 14 years. Done over half a million kilometres. I've no penalty points, and full NCB on my policy. I've never caused an accident.
I drive professionally, and while it's only part-time job, I'm driving a coach and my passengers never said a bad word about my driving. Usually they are rather happy.

So in general, NO - I don't think there is something wrong with my way of thinking and driving.

Well done for comparing apples with oranges. You're weight on a bus will change yes, but for a start it stays where it is.

Try pulling a load of hanging beef, or a tanker half full of liquid, or a trailer that's been badly loaded and then tell me that you're primary concern is the road conditions, because its not.

Cash is king

CiniO wrote: »

What about it?
I think we had a long discussion here, which was eventually finished by moderator closing the thread. Anyway I already said then, that this was the best option I could choose to do in this situation. Whatever else I did, I would probably end up with crashed car.

Bullcrap you are a dangerous driver and a menace on the road.

Here is more..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEEuQHGIc7U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Watch all the video.

CiniO

Buford T Justice wrote: »

Well done for comparing apples with oranges. You're weight on a bus will change yes, but for a start it stays where it is.

Try pulling a load of hanging beef, or a tanker half full of liquid, or a trailer that's been badly loaded and then tell me that you're primary concern is the road conditions, because its not.

So what is then?
Are you concentrating only on vehicle stability and nothing else when carrying unstable load?

CiniO

Cash is king wrote: »

Bullcrap you are a dangerous driver and a menace on the road.

Here is more..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEEuQHGIc7U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Watch all the video.

You can have your own opinion as you like.

For me it's important that none of people who I have contact with, including gards, insurance companies and my employer and my passengers don't consider me a dangerous driver and a menace on the road.

PS - If you are already browsing through my youtube videos, maybe find something more interesting.

Cash is king

CiniO wrote: »

You can have your own opinion as you like.

For me it's important that none of people who I have contact with, including gards, insurance companies and my employer and my passengers don't consider me a dangerous driver and a menace on the road.

If they watched those videos they would know what your like, a fcuking disgrace!!

CiniO

Cash is king wrote: »

If they watched those videos they would know what your like, a fcuking disgrace!!

You are now publically insulting me. What's the reason?

JohnBoy26

CiniO wrote: »

You can have your own opinion as you like.

For me it's important that none of people who I have contact with, including gards, insurance companies and my employer and my passengers don't consider me a dangerous driver and a menace on the road.

From that video I have to say that that driving was dangerous. You were going a way too fast for the conditions, driving aggressively overtaking other road users in places that were far from ideal for overtaking and you also failed to stop at a stop sign.

Bunny Buster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvHxCXJFK9o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

CiniO,

Whatever about the beetle overtaking dangerously, which cannot be disputed, the way in which you dealt with the situation left a lot to be desired! Laying on the horn and stopping dead in the road doesn't demonstrate the actions of a safe driver, but one of a rather aggressive one. Even the way you turned off at that junction and accelerated out of it suggests a fairly high level of aggressiveness/impatience!

CiniO

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

From that video I have to say that that driving was dangerous. You were going a way too fast for the conditions, driving aggressively overtaking other road users in places that were far from ideal for overtaking and you also failed to stop at a stop sign.

Yes, I watched that video in question just now. I know this road very well.
Places where vehicles were being overtaken were the best out of the whole road. Speed was within speed limits. And stopping on this stop sign - it's better not to stop as you can only see if there is something coming on the main road about 10 metres before the sign. If someone stops by this sign, he can't see if main road is clear, so all you need to do is look this 10m before and then drive quick enough no to leave time for any vehicle on the main road to appear.

Anyway - who said it was me driving?

JMSE

I think the OPs reluctance to post his evidence is based on......... holy crap theres a new single girl called Sarah only 4 miles away, wheres me keys???

CiniO

Bunny Buster wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvHxCXJFK9o&feature=youtube_gdata_player

CiniO,

Whatever about the beetle overtaking dangerously, which cannot be disputed, the way in which you dealt with the situation left a lot to be desired! Laying on the horn

Laying on the horn was to warn other road users that there is something wrong happening. That's what the horn is for.

and stopping dead in the road doesn't demonstrate the actions of a safe driver, but one of a rather aggressive one.

I slowed down to speed necessery to avoid beetle, and then I saw red car in behind me. If I kept accelerating, he wouldn't be able to pass me on the left.

Even the way you turned off at that junction and accelerated out of it suggests a fairly high level of aggressiveness/impatience!

Why do you consider accelerating hard as aggressiveness/impatience ?

Bunny Buster

CiniO wrote: »

Why do you consider accelerating hard as aggressiveness/impatience ?

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that it's not?

CiniO

Bunny Buster wrote: »

Just to be clear, are you suggesting that it's not?

Yes.
I can't see anything wrong with accelerating with full throttle.
It's not illegal and it's not dangerous.

Kevwoody

CiniO wrote: »

Yes, I watched that video in question just now. I know this road very well.
Places where vehicles were being overtaken were the best out of the whole road. Speed was within speed limits. And stopping on this stop sign - it's better not to stop as you can only see if there is something coming on the main road about 10 metres before the sign. If someone stops by this sign, he can't see if main road is clear, so all you need to do is look this 10m before and then drive quick enough no to leave time for any vehicle on the main road to appear.

Anyway - who said it was me driving?

Cinio you sir are an absolute disgrace and should not be on the road. You come on here spouting ****e all day long about safe driving, better driving on the continent, arguing black is white, and this is how you drive!!

What an absolute hypocritical **** you are!

See you all in a week, it was worth it

JMSE

Ok had to have a look and see what you lads were on about re Cinio, and in that most recently commented-on vid, Cinio I have to say, I dont like the way you drive. Its wet and you seem to have too much confidence in the grip of your tyres as you round that first bend. Then having avoided the oncoming beetle, you saw fit to stop for some insane reason knowing there was a red golf right behind you (were you and him already racing, were your brake bulbs even working??). While your passenger and child may have wanted to stop and have a chat with you there on the road about how that beetle driver had a poor regard for others, you caused an accident by doing so.

CiniO

Kevwoody wrote: »

Cinio you sir are an absolute disgrace and should not be on the road. You come on here spouting ****e all day long about safe driving, better driving on the continent, arguing black is white, and this is how you drive!!

What an absolute hypocritical **** you are!

See you all in a week, it was worth it

To be precise - this video was linked here not by myself, and it doesn't show my driving.

However I can't see too much wrong going on this video anyway. All within general safety measures.

Bunny Buster

CiniO wrote: »

Yes.
I can't see anything wrong with accelerating with full throttle.
It's not illegal and it's not dangerous.

Ok. Nobody said it was either illegal or dangerous, so there is no need to steer of topic. What I said was that it suggested aggressiveness and impatience which is reasonable to say. Here are 2 situations to try and make my point a little clearer, not that it needs to be...

1: Paddy is competing in the Mayo Stages Rally and is turning off a junction just like that. Paddy is falling behind on time because he got a puncture along the route. High acceleration would be essential and justified because speed is of the essence in his situation.

2: Mary has just left the house on Sunday morning and is on her way to mass. She turns at a junction like that and there is no logical reason for her to accelerate at full throttle because she just wants to get from a to be in a safe manner. It is 09:57, mass starts at 10:00 and she has 5 miles left before she gets to the church. Now, she is late for mass, but that is not a good enough reason for her to drive aggressively.

Kevwoody

CiniO wrote: »

To be precise - this video was linked here not by myself, and it doesn't show my driving.

However I can't see too much wrong going on this video anyway. All within general safety measures.

What the fcuk are you on about?? It was uploaded to YouTube by "Cinio", and a male driver who speaks polish!

Are you honestly saying its not you driving ??

CiniO

JMSE wrote: »

Ok had to have a look and see what you lads were on about re Cinio, and in that most recently commented-on vid, Cinio I have to say, I dont like the way you drive. Its wet and you seem to have too much confidence in the grip of your tyres as you round that first bend. Then having avoided the oncoming beetle,

So decide what you are at.
If I had too much confidence in the grip of my tyres, I wouldn't be able to avoid beetle. But you can see I did - and this was real emergency as it was braking nearly as hard as possible without loosing the grip.

you saw fit to stop for some insane reason knowing there was a red golf right behind you (were you and him already racing, were your brake bulbs even working??). While your passenger and child may have wanted to stop and have a chat with you there on the road about how that beetle driver had a poor regard for others, you caused an accident by doing so.

I you look again into to video and listen to the sound when golf hit the side wall, you will find out that I stopped completely not to have golf to crash to my back, but because he was already passing me. View from rear mirror on the camera would help to understand it, but unfortunately there isn't one.

In general after slowing down to pass beetle, I was just ready to start accelerating when golf strugled the wall, so I stopped completely.

CiniO

Kevwoody wrote: »

What the fcuk are you on about?? It was uploaded to YouTube by "Cinio", and a male driver who speaks polish!

Are you honestly saying its not you driving ??

I was referring to other video Cash is king linked here.
Other one was 5 minutes long.

Cash is king

Kevwoody wrote: »

What the fcuk are you on about?? It was uploaded to YouTube by "Cinio", and a male driver who speaks polish!

Are you honestly saying its not you driving ??

I found it by going through his post history and he posted it here on Boards.ie about a year ago.

CiniO

Bunny Buster wrote: »

Ok. Nobody said it was either illegal or dangerous, so there is no need to steer of topic. What I said was that it suggested aggressiveness and impatience which is reasonable to say. Here are 2 situations to try and make my point a little clearer, not that it needs to be...

1: Paddy is competing in the Mayo Stages Rally and is turning off a junction just like that. Paddy is falling behind on time because he got a puncture along the route. High acceleration would be essential and justified because speed is of the essence in his situation.

2: Mary has just left the house on Sunday morning and is on her way to mass. She turns at a junction like that and there is no logical reason for her to accelerate at full throttle because she just wants to get from a to be in a safe manner. It is 09:57, mass starts at 10:00 and she has 5 miles left before she gets to the church. Now, she is late for mass, but that is not a good enough reason for her to drive aggressively.

Driving aggressively in my opinion is when this aggression goes towards other road users. F.e. flasing, tailgating, cutting off, etc.. This is aggressive driving.

You examples rather refer to fast driving than fast accelerating.
Paddy had to drive fast to make up the lost time. Mary had to drive fast to make it to the church.

But this has nothing to do with fast acceleration.

If there is a road with 80km/h speed limit, there is nothing aggressive in just pressing the pedal until car reached 80, and then maintain this speed.

CiniO

Cash is king wrote: »

I found it by going through his post history and he posted it here on Boards.ie about a year ago.

The other video you linked however, wasn't found on boards.ie

The Dagda

In a thread a few weeks ago, where Cinio was complaining, yet again, about "other" drivers, in a description of a situation where a vehicle was following him too closely for his liking, he proudly boasted how his "only option" was to drive for 5 minutes at 200kph :rolleyes:

No point trying to convince him otherwise guys, he thinks he's a flawless driver!... And mathmatician :pac:

Cash is king

CiniO wrote: »

The other video you linked however, wasn't found on boards.ie

Its on your channel/account and btw 80km/h is a limit and not a target.

CiniO

Cash is king wrote: »

Its on your channel/account and btw 80km/h is a limit and not a target.

Fact that it's on my channel, doesn't mean it's me driving.

Bunny Buster

CiniO wrote: »

Fact that it's on my channel, doesn't mean it's me driving.

If it's not you, who is it then?

CiniO

The Dagda wrote: »

In a thread a few weeks ago, where Cinio was complaining, yet again, about "other" drivers, in a description of a situation where a vehicle was following him too closely for his liking,

If you think that at 120km/h keeping literally few metres distance is just too close just for my liking, then I would like to find out where is your limit?
How close would the other vehicle need to be behind you, so you considered it's too close?

he proudly boasted how his "only option" was to drive for 5 minutes at 200kph :rolleyes:

Because it was the only reasonable option.

No point trying to convince him otherwise guys, he thinks he's a flawless driver!... And mathmatician :pac:

?????
I can't remember being active on Maths forum here.

CiniO

Bunny Buster wrote: »

If it's not you, who is it then?

This was private video, which I uploaded to show someone some time ago.
As it was linked here, now it's removed from youtube. It's actually none of anyone's business here who was driving.

BigEejit

Don't know what all the personal attacks are about ... I've reported a couple of you... get a grip

As for the OP giving the cops video evidence of an driver contravening the law in a number of ways... well tough luck for the driver, hope he/she does not lose his/her license over it.
You do not get to pick which laws apply to you and which don't.

Kevwoody

Are there no Mods here tonight or what??

Cinio you have completely derailed this thread, and your posts are nothing short of trolling now.

Bunny Buster

CiniO wrote: »

If you think that at 120km/h keeping literally few metres distance is just too close just for my liking, then I would like to find out where is your limit?
How close would the other vehicle need to be behind you, so you considered it's too close?

Because it was the only reasonable option.


?????
I can't remember being active on Maths forum here.

There is never a time when it is reasonable to drive at 200kph on a public road. You just proved what a tool you are when it comes to driving!

Kevwoody

BigEejit wrote: »

Don't know what all the personal attacks are about ... I've reported a couple of you... get a grip

As for the OP giving the cops video evidence of an driver contravening the law in a number of ways... well tough luck for the driver, hope he/she does not lose his/her license over it.
You do not get to pick which laws apply to you and which don't.

Good man yourself

CiniO

Kevwoody wrote: »

Are there no Mods here tonight or what??

Cinio you have completely derailed this thread, and your posts are nothing short of trolling now.

I agree that this thread is derailed, but I can't see how I did it.
I just showed my opinion on the thread subject, while some people turned it into personal attacks against me.

Cash is king

CiniO wrote: »

This was private video, which I uploaded to show someone some time ago.
As it was linked here, now it's removed from youtube. It's actually none of anyone's business here who was driving.

Luckily I downloaded it, I am sure the Traffic Corps will find it interesting plus they will find out who was driving. I think you just dug a huge whole for yourself.

Lastly I would put down 100 quid you were driving that truck the OP was complaining about.

Night now.

The Dagda

CiniO wrote: »

If you think that at 120km/h keeping literally few metres distance is just too close just for my liking, then I would like to find out where is your limit?
How close would the other vehicle need to be behind you, so you considered it's too close?

Because it was the only reasonable option.


?????
I can't remember being active on Maths forum here.

You have, rightly IMO, questioned the OP in this thread because of the biased nature of his story. I would similarly question your telling of this incident. My guess is this other driver was reacting to something you had done. Same as this OP. The videos of your driving support my beliefs.

There is no situation, none, where the only option is to drive at 200kph.

Your attempts at maths throughout this thread would not be suitable for the maths forum.

CiniO

Bunny Buster wrote: »

There is never a time when it is reasonable to drive at 200kph on a public road.

Explain please.
In Germany you can do it legally. Why is it not reasonable then?

Bunny Buster

CiniO wrote: »

Explain please.
In Germany you can do it legally. Why is it not reasonable then?

In brief, YOU ARE IN IRELAND!

The Dagda

Bunny Buster wrote: »

In brief, YOU ARE IN IRELAND!

+1 Even in Germany it would never be the "only option"...

Bunny Buster

The Dagda wrote: »

+1 Even in Germany it would never be the "only option"...

Obviously, I wasn't suggesting that it is/was.

The Dagda

Bunny Buster wrote: »

Obviously, I wasn't suggesting that it is/was.

I realise that. I was supporting your point.