Chemical waste dumped by British off Donegal and Kerry coast

EURATS

http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0451/D.0451.199503230052.html

Anyone for fish?

mike65

Dáil Éireann - Volume 451 - 23 March, 1995

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squod

Donegal coast in the mid-1950s. Three ships containing 76,000 tonnes of aircraft bombs packed with deadly gas were secretly scuttled by the British Navy in waters between Donegal and Rockall and 3,500 tonnes of 23 lb. artillery shells containing mustard nerve gas, including Sarin gas, were dumped in sealed containers over the side of British vessels about 40 miles of Malin Head.

Minister Coveney says 'it's the previous administrations fault don't you know, rabble rabble'.

EURATS

squod wrote: »

Minister Coveney says 'it's the previous administrations fault don't you know, rabble rabble'.

Wasn't aware that individual had anything to say about it. Would hope to hear the British making arrangements for the safe removal of this material.

md23040

EURATS wrote: »

Wasn't aware that individual had anything to say about it. Would hope to hear the British making arrangements for the safe removal of this material.

Don't the islands of the West coast have a higher cluster rate of cancer compared to the National average.

This story was recently on Highland radio Donegal and was mentioning the barrels were beginning to leak through retardation.

Also at one stage the UK government in the 1990s considered proposals for a tunnel from Stranraer to Larne but this was quickly dismissed not only on financial viability grounds but also because of the large amounts of armaments dropped in the straits after the Second World War.

The whole thing remains disgraceful but nothing will be done about it.

WoollyRedHat

It took 18 years for this to come to your attention. Bit late to the party.

Scruffles

EURATS wrote: »

Wasn't aware that individual had anything to say about it. Would hope to hear the British making arrangements for the safe removal of this material.

yes,collectively blame all of us residing in britain for the actions of a government,when they dont give a sht about us let alone neighbouring countries.

suicide_circus

800......leagues under the sea?

ejmaztec

EURATS wrote: »

Wasn't aware that individual had anything to say about it. Would hope to hear the British making arrangements for the safe removal of this material.

Probably impossible unless they drain the sea.

WoollyRedHat

There's two schools of thought on this.

My name is URL

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

There's two schools of thought on this.

And one of them is made up mostly of fish with 3 eyes

EURATS

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

It took 18 years for this to come to your attention. Bit late to the party.

I don't see any other thread on it. Do u?

EURATS

Scruffles wrote: »

yes,collectively blame all of us residing in britain for the actions of a government,when they dont give a sht about us let alone neighbouring countries.

Sure I guess the Irish should pay for it. We are good at that!!

ejmaztec

My name is URL wrote: »

And one of them is made up mostly of fish with 3 eyes

That's probably why some people talk about the "conundrum" of "Donegal Catch."

Tell me, what does the name 'Donegal Catch' suggest to you? The clues are in the words 'Donegal' and 'Catch.'
It sounds to me like someone 'caught' a fish in 'Donegal,' then froze it, and sold it in the supermarket. Simple enough?
The packet even says that the name 'Donegal Catch' is your guarantee that you're buying only the finest fish 'from the deep and cold waters of the Atlantic.
But what are we to make of the fine print on the Donegal Catch foil packet? The small bit of text that admits that the packet contains farmed fish from many countries of origin, including Chile
If I may be a bit dense for a moment, how does one reasonably expect to 'catch' a 'Donegal' (Atlantic) fish, while it resides in a 'farm' in Chile (Pacific)?

http://www.darwin.ie/?p=140

squod

EURATS wrote: »

Wasn't aware that individual had anything to say about it. Would hope to hear the British making arrangements for the safe removal of this material.

Just slaggin'. Everything is the previous administrations fault. That's the way FG roll.

seanmacc

Another place I'd be concerned about is the Beauford Dyke. Its situated between Antrim and Scotland and is where the Brits decided would be a great place to dispose of their WW1 chemical weapons. A few of them washed up on Antrim beaches during the 90's and in truth has probably caused more contamination in the Irish Sea than Sellafield,

squod

seanmacc wrote: »

Another place I'd be concerned about is the Beauford Dyke. Its situated between Antrim and Scotland and is where the Brits decided would be a great place to dispose of their WW1 chemical weapons. A few of them washed up on Antrim beaches during the 90's and in truth has probably caused more contamination in the Irish Sea than Sellafield,

Dumped by the queens navy? On the doorsteps of all those unionists? Jaysus.

hadepsx

this springs to mind

http://www.google.ie/imgres?q=pic+of+three+eyed+fish&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=641&tbm=isch&tbnid=MuQD4yXBgsiXDM:&imgrefurl=http://thefw.com/three-eyed-fish-found-the-simpsons/&docid=5Zcq4gHSC1_E-M&imgurl=http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/thefw.com/files/2011/10/three-eyed-fish.jpg&w=640&h=480&ei=WVMzUZG2N4uJhQfRnICwCQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:10,s:0,i:107&iact=rc&dur=844&sig=107596084783394722763&page=1&tbnh=180&tbnw=226&start=0&ndsp=18&tx=94&ty=82

Where To

There's enough sh1te(literally) going into the sea right now folks, and it isn't the Brits that's doing it either.

seanmacc

squod wrote: »

Dumped by the queens navy? On the doorsteps of all those unionists? Jaysus.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4032629.stm

The Brits are like those neighbours from hell who throw their bin bags over the fence in the middle of the night.

EURATS

Where To wrote: »

There's enough sh1te(literally) going into the sea right now folks, and it isn't the Brits that's doing it either.

Sh1te is one thing. What they dumped off our coast is another.

Mr Benevolent

I'll just leave this here. Far more dangerous than decades old mustard gas.

EURATS

Confab wrote: »

I'll just leave this here. Far more dangerous than decades old mustard gas.

To be fair..that link belongs in another thread(not to say it isn't a massive issue).

Mustard gas...and the rest

donegal_road

Sherman tank on seabed off Malin Head


amazing whats down there.. here is a good shot

Augmerson

Jesus, how polluted are our waters exactly? Fairly frightening stuff.

Augmerson

donegal_road wrote: »

Sherman tank on seabed off Malin Head


amazing whats down there.. here is a good shot

We should salvage those, use them to invade the North. Then go for Scotland and Wales and Cornwall.

Tis our land.

donegal_road

some years ago, a local sub aqua club were talking about a sunken submarine in Donegal Bay that had a lot of mercury on board, and that the seams were beginning to corrode on the hull.

If and when the hull would disintegrate, the mercury would be released into the water. The environmental impact would be huge, not to mention the long term health dangers to the people of the area.

Must try to find out more about it for this thread.

Fratton Fred

donegal_road wrote: »

some years ago, a local sub aqua club were talking about a sunken submarine in Donegal Bay that had a lot of mercury on board, and that the seams were beginning to corrode on the hull.

If and when the hull would disintegrate, the mercury would be released into the water. The environmental impact would be huge, not to mention the long term health dangers to the people of the area.

Must try to find out more about it for this thread.

That wasn't the diving club in Muff as it?

donegal_road

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That wasn't the diving club in Muff as it?

you mean these guys

http://www.muffdivingclub.ie/

2 stroke

Back in the 1980s a retired science teacher told me that during the last war he had made devices for the irish government. They packed them into any container they could find, mostly glass bottles. These were never used and were also disposed of at sea, but where?

Capt'n Midnight

2 stroke wrote: »

Back in the 1980s a retired science teacher told me that during the last war he had made devices for the irish government. They packed them into any container they could find, mostly glass bottles. These were never used and were also disposed of at sea, but where?

probably Molotov Cocktails

http://www.npi.gov.au/substances/carbon-disulfide/environmental.html

hatrickpatrick

ejmaztec wrote: »

Probably impossible unless they drain the sea.

Then they should be forced to pay compensation in the form of funding for additional cancer treatment centres in any areas near where they've dumped radioactive material.
Seems reasonable to me. They make a mess, they can pay for the consequences of it.

ScumLord

ejmaztec wrote: »

Probably impossible unless they drain the sea.

I don't think it would be impossible to locate and retrieve the containers. People salvage stuff every day, plus major cleaning operations have taken place in places like the gulf of Mexico. Any things possible, it might be expensive but I would say it's doable.

EURATS

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think it would be impossible to locate and retrieve the containers. People salvage stuff every day, plus major cleaning operations have taken place in places like the gulf of Mexico. Any things possible, it might be expensive but I would say it's doable.

True...if the Kursk can be raised..they can obviously retrieve their barrels of sh1te..and dump them off their own coast. Really shows how little the British establishment thought of the Irish people.

Dwork

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think it would be impossible to locate and retrieve the containers. People salvage stuff every day, plus major cleaning operations have taken place in places like the gulf of Mexico. Any things possible, it might be expensive but I would say it's doable.

Then what? The fcukers can't deal with the toxic waste they have already on land, what would their great plan be for stuff they've retrieved from the seabed? Dump it somwhere else? Probably off the coast of Somalia, seeing as that's where every other cnut is dumping their toxic crap at the moment. This from the Country that brought you "Health and Safety". Joke, utter joke. Maybe if they dumped a load of licences and high vis vests down on top of it, all would be well..

Lando Griffin

Dwork wrote: »

Dump it somwhere else? Probably off the coast of Somalia, seeing as that's where every other cnut is dumping their toxic crap at the momentl.

And paying fantastic competitive rates to do so.

Dwork

Lando Griffin wrote: »

And paying fantastic competitive rates to do so.

to the Mafia, who are the shipowners and "waste disposal" contractors amongst other things these days. The area around Naples is full, so they needed to move on to fresh "grounds". Strangely, big business has few objections. Saves a fortune, apparently.

Dwork

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think it would be impossible to locate and retrieve the containers. People salvage stuff every day, plus major cleaning operations have taken place in places like the gulf of Mexico. Any things possible, it might be expensive but I would say it's doable.

You do know they used a fancy version of an emulsifier to "clump" the crude oil causing it to sink? As in onto the sea bed? As in cleaned up, me hole. Hidden, yes. Cleaned, not quite. Not quite.

ejmaztec

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think it would be impossible to locate and retrieve the containers. People salvage stuff every day, plus major cleaning operations have taken place in places like the gulf of Mexico. Any things possible, it might be expensive but I would say it's doable.

Some of that stuff is deep, and I would imagine that after all this time, were it possible to get hold of it, whatever casing they used would be a bit unpredictable when handled. They might even bring on an ecological disaster trying to get it back to the surface.

EURATS

ejmaztec wrote: »

Some of that stuff is deep, and I would imagine that after all this time, were it possible to get hold of it, whatever casing they used would be a bit unpredictable when handled. They might even bring on an ecological disaster trying to get it back to the surface.

If its in such an unstable condition..an ecological disaster isn't far off anyway. Just a matter of time.

The material involved and its condition needs to be assessed and a solution put in place to retrieve it and dispose of it correctly.

Grimreaper666

Apparently the Americans dumped a load of pig brucellosis that was being used as chemical weapons in the Gulf war on their way home off the Cork/Kerry coast a few years ago and have been assisting in the treatment of the effects unofficially of course. Allegedly but I suppose we'll never hear the full truth about that either.

Dwork

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Apparently the Americans dumped a load of pig brucellosis that was being used as chemical weapons in the Gulf war on their way home off the Cork/Kerry coast a few years ago and have been assisting in the treatment of the effects unofficially of course. Allegedly but I suppose we'll never hear the full truth about that either.

So there is some truth in the rumour that Cowen and Harney were skinny dipping off Dingle and came back utterly altered. I always wondered what happened to them.

Conchir

Oh no, it wouldn't be on any maps. We're not exactly New York! No, the best way to find it is to head out from Galway and go slightly north until you see the English boats with the nuclear symbol. They go very close to the island when dumping the old 'glow-in-the-dark'.

Fratton Fred

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Then they should be forced to pay compensation in the form of funding for additional cancer treatment centres in any areas near where they've dumped radioactive material.
Seems reasonable to me. They make a mess, they can pay for the consequences of it.

My mother in law has lost three relatives and four neighbours to cancer in the past six years. she is convinced it is because they swam regularly in Killiney bay and the radiation from Sellafield killed them off early.

Of course, the fact they all smoked 40 major a day had nothing to do with it, no sirree, it was definitely Sellafield.