Ireland needs a specialist in young timer Mercs such as w124 and 190 models

goochy

I know there are plenty of expensive places who work on these vehicles and there are expensive places on uk selling low mileage models for steep prices but it would be great if there was a place working on these vehicles at keen prices and also selling pre 1997 Mercs like 190's e class w124 saloon estates and coupe cabrios s class w140 and sl r129 These vehicles are very pricey in the uk but cheap in this country but usually end up for sale privately or cheaply at used car dealers who don't know anything about Mercs
It would be good if someone prepared these vehicles well gave warranty /px facilities and knew what faults to look for when buying them cheaply elsewhere from Plp who view them as risky and sell them cheaply !

Bigus

goochy wrote: »

I know there are plenty of expensive places who work on these vehicles and there are expensive places on uk selling low mileage models for steep prices but it would be great if there was a place working on these vehicles at keen prices and also selling pre 1997 Mercs like 190's e class w124 saloon estates and coupe cabrios s class w140 and sl r129 These vehicles are very pricey in the uk but cheap in this country but usually end up for sale privately or cheaply at used car dealers who don't know anything about Mercs
It would be good if someone prepared these vehicles well gave warranty /px facilities and knew what faults to look for when buying them cheaply elsewhere from Plp who view them as risky and sell them cheaply !

No demand here they are all being broken for export .
Road tax here makes them unviable.

w124man

We have two such people ..... One is in Shankhill and the other is in North Wicklow!

Capri

w124man wrote: »

We have two such people ..... One is in Shankhill and the other is in North Wicklow!

Shankill IS Nth Wicklow :P:P

AFIK there's one also breaking in NTMK, one in Enniskerry, and one in Shankill ?

(ALSO I'm looking for a LHD S500 or ML500 c.00-02 if anyone knows of one )

Wicklowandy

124s are going to be so rare here inside of 5 yrs, plenty for sale sub 1k, sliding fast into neglect.

Wicklowandy

Another good cheap specialist in Bray, young timers well supported in north wicklow (shankills south county dublin)

goochy

Sorry who are these places you speak of ? Certainly not jacksons ? Shankill isn't in ww do these places sell cars ? Whenever I look up carzone I don't see them for sale at merc specialists ?

Type 17

goochy wrote: »

Sorry who are these places you speak of ?

www.lichtenberg-classics.ie is just outside Bray, in north Wicklow.

JohnxF

Unfortunately, I very much doubt there's room for a profitable business specialising in selling very good W123s and W124s here like there is in the UK. A dealer here would have to pay reasonably money for a really good car either here or in the UK and expect to sell it at a good profit in the Irish market to make some money. I'm sure there are plenty of good mechanics and garages with good Mercedes knowledge already out there - and not just the ones in Wicklow/Dublin. The problem is many of them will not see enough W123s and W124s to be able to specialise in them.

If you look at the sort of cars the top Merc specialists in the UK are selling they are all excellent examples but you're paying top dollar. There's no chance you could charge similar money over here for the same cars. The road tax in Ireland has killed the market for such 'youngtimers'. I can see most decent current examples of W124s in Ireland deteriorating to near banger status and then an influx of imports of good examples from the UK once the magical 30 year status is achieved.

Here's some links to the sort of people that the Irish market could not support. However I'd say they sell a few W123s in particular to Irish customers.

http://charlesironside.co.uk/
http://www.avantgardecars.co.uk/mercedes-benz/by-price/ascending

goochy

I know of these specialists in uk but Ironsides in particular over priced even for average mileage cars and car magazine reviews say cars are not 100 per cent mint there are recently imported e class coupes cabrios which are going for low money joc car sales in glasnevin have 1 such 96 e220ce with cloth seats with 157 k mls for € 2650 ! Seems underpriced !

Capri

joc car sales in glasnevin

- I'll not say anything :rolleyes:

There IS a Shankill in Co.Wicklow close to the Dublin border (it's near Ballinagee / Scurlocksleap :eek: ) just as Shankill, CO DUBLIN is close to the Wicklow border , but however, I sit corrected.
(It's just I'm usually travelling so fast on the N11 the Wicklow/Dublin borderline gets blurred :P:P

If you had the storage/youth on your side , storing W124's would be a blue chip investment


Another favourite of mine - W114 280 http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/4065114

Wicklowandy

Amazing to see 124 coupes and cabrios so cheap, but most are rotboxes and have been neglected for years.

A dry barn, €30000, and 15 years would be a great investment now:)

Wicklowandy

North wicklow townlands are something I know very well....where is shankill, co wicklow....know bray, co dublin, but no shankill, co wicklow.

Capri

Wicklowandy wrote: »

North wicklow townlands are something I know very well....where is shankill, co wicklow....know bray, co dublin, but no shankill, co wicklow.

NW/NNW of Kippure, off the R759

w124man

The problem with W124 is that people think they will last forever, and they dont. Most are in from the UK and suffer from 'the English disease' and when they get here they suffer from lack of servicing. The saloons are way under valued in the UK and I own an E220 that I bought on E Bay, shipped, VRT'd, insured and taxed for a year for less than €3,000 and it had 54k on the clock. Good, low mileage estates are very thin on the ground and prices are climbing fast. Cabs and coupes are the ones to be very careful of as they are 'toys' and suffer the most from neglect as their owners cant afford the payments/running costs. Also most of those came in from the UK.

There are some very good saloons around for less than a grand and they are Irish and good value.

@ goochy

Have you actually seen and driven a car from Charles Ironside? I doubt it because if you had you would know that his selection is as good as it gets and there are quite a few of his cars residing here in Ireland, bought by people who can afford to keep them.

Capri

Future classic warning - my W210 E got stuck in Park, popped a phillips into the hole beside the shifter and it worked again. Moving my W220 S today, same happened - CONSOLE HAS TO COME OFF etc etc :eek: :eek: :mad: ( Benzworld says it's a €1 plastic bit that snaps :mad::mad: )

The old models are grand but the more electronics the more problems for future classics - maybe we're better scrapping them :P

Capri

w124man wrote: »

The problem with W124 is that people think they will last forever, and they dont. Most are in from the UK and suffer from 'the English disease' and when they get here they suffer from lack of servicing. The saloons are way under valued in the UK and I own an E220 that I bought on E Bay, shipped, VRT'd, insured and taxed for a year for less than €3,000 and it had 54k on the clock. Good, low mileage estates are very thin on the ground and prices are climbing fast. Cabs and coupes are the ones to be very careful of as they are 'toys' and suffer the most from neglect as their owners cant afford the payments/running costs. Also most of those came in from the UK.

There are some very good saloons around for less than a grand and they are Irish and good value.

@ goochy

Have you actually seen and driven a car from Charles Ironside? I doubt it because if you had you would know that his selection is as good as it gets and there are quite a few of his cars residing here in Ireland, bought by people who can afford to keep them.

There speaketh a true enthuiast :cool: Buy Guaranteed Irish , less rust and give it a damn good service for eternal motoring ?


One of Matt's cars - I like the sprayed steels as an alternative to those awful '1 Euro shop' plastic hubcaps some of them came with - http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/4337484
Matt could become our Charles Ironside ???

goochy

W210and w220 are merc at their worst a black time in Mercs history won't be desired in future ! What do u mean by English diseases ? Salt on road - rust ?? Haven't bought from Ironsides and wouldnt his average / hi mileage cars way overpriced ! Reading merc enth. Magazine and Plp whose cars were shown in mag from there they were not as mint as prices descriptions would suggest ! Avantgarde cars appear to have nicer stk

w124man

goochy wrote: »

What do u mean by English diseases ? Salt on road - rust ??

Yeah .... rust!

goochy wrote: »

Haven't bought from Ironsides and wouldnt his average / hi mileage cars way overpriced !

Well I have bought three cars from Ironside - one (W126) of which I still have and would buy from him again. Im assuming you have never seen an Ironside car in the flesh at his premises or even driven one.

goochy wrote: »

Reading merc enth. Magazine and Plp whose cars were shown in mag from there they were not as mint as prices descriptions would suggest !

Nothing like an ill informed armchair critic

goochy

U must like being ripped off

w124man

goochy wrote: »

U must like being ripped off

Not really. I just know good cars when I see them and how to do a deal. A talent you obviously lack!

So Avantgard's £100,000 for a Pagoda roof 280SL and £12,000 for a 300SEL sound good value then? Having seen the 300 SEL in the flesh I am happy with my 300SE as it seems I bought a better car for half the money!

There are plenty of W124's on Done Deal in your price bracket to bitch about

goochy

Mr Ironside is that you ? Trying to drum up extra business in Eire for your over priced Mercs which can easily be found in the classifieds for thousands less and which make no economic sense in Eire due to the lo

w124man

goochy wrote: »

Mr Ironside is that you ? Trying to drum up extra business in Eire for your over priced Mercs which can easily be found in the classifieds for thousands less and which make no economic sense in Eire due to the lo

LOL :D

Go on Goochy gooo ...... switch off the computer before your mammy sees you're still up.

WDB123

have to say charles ironsides cars are better than the classifieds far better,but he is a dealer so be careful!!!!!!!

for my money buy a w124 e500 500e, now theres an investment, coupe are the worst investment and a 220 with cloth low spec at 3k not worth it (rare = future values)

goochy

Point taken at the end of the day not everyone can afford or wants to pay the steep stg prices in the uk and as you will not get anywhere near what u paid for one of those high priced cars in this country when you sell on I still think that. Buying in this country makes sense never thought of looking at done deal until yesterday as usually use carzone was impressed with what was on it I love s hand cars and classics as you can get great cars at great prices I would prefer to buy one of the cars on done deal anc spend a small some on any work that maybe needed the w124 convertibles are great value

Bigus

goochy wrote: »

Point taken at the end of the day not everyone can afford or wants to pay the steep stg prices in the uk and as you will not get anywhere near what u paid for one of those high priced cars in this country when you sell on I still think that. Buying in this country makes sense never thought of looking at done deal until yesterday as usually use carzone was impressed with what was on it I love s hand cars and classics as you can get great cars at great prices I would prefer to buy one of the cars on done deal anc spend a small some on any work that maybe needed the w124 convertibles are great value

You're in business now, goochymercs !

hoodie6029

300e for a grand

Here's an investment/bargain.

Capri

hoodie6029 wrote: »

300e for a grand

Here's an investment/bargain.

A 300E 24V , I always liked the 24V

MercMad

I've been buying and selling "Youngtimer Mercs" for quite a while now, in North County Dublin, I'm not going to plug my business here. I would agree with some of the comments here, the stock that some UK Dealers have is proper quality. I'm talking low milers that have been cherished, i.e power washed regularly to get the salt off, and professionally valeted regularly.

You simply cannot compare just on make/model/year. It is purely down to condition with all these cars. I have seen and worked on some incredible pieces of rusty junk because people thought they bought a bargain and "bucked the system". Rusty cars are simply that, and always will be.

Buy the best you can afford and look after it. I would also be wary of cars that have a lot of spurious parts on them, there is a huge difference in quality.

The best bargains are original Irish cars that have been well looked after. Low/no rust issues, hopefully, and a traceable history. It is a shame that these cars are disappearing. Even 2 years ago you could pick up good qualty stock, W124/126's but alot have been laid up outdoors and suffered as a result, purely because of the tax set up.

WDB123

what W124 do you drive?

Does anyone know who owns the e500 around the Laois area bornite colour ??????(purple, left hand drive)

w124man

MercMad wrote: »

I've been buying and selling "Youngtimer Mercs" for quite a while now, in North County Dublin, I'm not going to plug my business here. I would agree with some of the comments here, the stock that some UK Dealers have is proper quality. I'm talking low milers that have been cherished, i.e power washed regularly to get the salt off, and professionally valeted regularly.

You simply cannot compare just on make/model/year. It is purely down to condition with all these cars. I have seen and worked on some incredible pieces of rusty junk because people thought they bought a bargain and "bucked the system". Rusty cars are simply that, and always will be.

Buy the best you can afford and look after it. I would also be wary of cars that have a lot of spurious parts on them, there is a huge difference in quality.

The best bargains are original Irish cars that have been well looked after. Low/no rust issues, hopefully, and a traceable history. It is a shame that these cars are disappearing. Even 2 years ago you could pick up good qualty stock, W124/126's but alot have been laid up outdoors and suffered as a result, purely because of the tax set up.

Couldn't agree more. It is so rare these days to find a good Irish W124 that has been well looked after. I have just bought an E220 - a genuine Irish car - which is absolutely shagged because it has not been looked after since its second owner. I paid €200 for it and once the parts I need have been taken off it, its off to the scrapper even though the shell is rot free.

The OP doesnt seem to understand the quality of some of the cars available in the UK and the W124 / W126 cars are starting to fetch good money if they are good. When was the last time you saw an Irish W124 300d Auto with air-con, cruise, self levelling suspension and 76,000 miles on the clock ...... ? They are non existent!! The prices asked for for this quality of car are not steep like the OP states. Far from it because those prices reflect the market value. It should be noted that condition is everything on these cars. If the OP isn't happy with those prices then he should look elsewhere and stop bitching. It actually sounds as though the OP wants to buy and sell on and not enjoy ....

My other half drives a W124 E220. She does 5,000 miles a year and it costs two and a half grand a year to run. Why would I buy a new car when it costs as little as that to drive a timeless classic? My own W124's and W126 get taxed for 3 months/6 months at a time and I use them for pleasure as I have a company car for day to day use.

In answer to the OP's original question, there are a few specialists in Mercedes 'Youngtimers' but I wouldn't recommend the OP to any of them with his attitude.

mondymike

what about the guy pop auto care in windy arbour. Was he nit a specialist? I recall him having a couple of 190le models last year

goochy

Don't know that place know Kennedy Crowley had a sales yard in windy arbour a few yrs ago which was exactly the type of set up I think the country needs I know he still advertises some cars on done deal but doesnt have much while Ironsides cars maybe nice I would say that you could pick up similar cars for a lot less privately I am sure thats where he buys many of his stk he has even had run of the mill merc models like clk and been looking for mad money for them some dealers think because of there name they can charge top money it's not like he has many overheads !

Tommyboy40

Nothing is more expensive than a cheap Merc