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Ashes 2013 - see mod warning in post 689

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭booth70


    djimi wrote: »
    Haddin deserves to top score in this series though; he has been absolutely immense. Any holes they have found themselves in he has dug them out of. Toss between himself and Johnson for man of the series, but Id give it to Haddin.

    Easy choice....Haddin's made the runs that Johnson's been able to defend

    Haddin for me as well

    Hard to believe that a year ago Wade was in the side and Haddin's career was all but over


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭Jonny_Darcy


    I think it will go to Johnson but Haddin has been fantastic. Fair or not, it could be a long time before Rankin gets another chance in a Test match


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,605 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    djimi wrote: »
    Haddin deserves to top score in this series though; he has been absolutely immense. Any holes they have found themselves in he has dug them out of. Toss between himself and Johnson for man of the series, but Id give it to Haddin.

    Fortunately my local bookmaking office doesnt do 'deserves to' and just relies on actual scores instead:pac:


    Still have quite the sweat on now for it all the same


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    djimi wrote: »
    Every time they have had some sort of upper hand in this series they have managed to throw it away. Confidence is absolutely shot. I wouldnt back them to chase 150 to win a test right now, let alone 300+.

    I personally think at this stage they all just wanna go home and get this over with as soon as possible, they have been humiliated. Wont take much for a collapse again in the second innings.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Ya 280-odd I believe

    Aussies should get at least 400 ahead and more than likely more

    Hoping Haddin gets less than 50 though so Warner finishes top batsman for the series

    For the sake of your bet Ill go along with you, would have no issue with Haddin getting it other then that though, he has been the glue that held the middle and lower order together when the top failed, as it often did in truth.

    Warner scoring the big runs with the series on the line should not be ignored though even though now he is playing some questionable shots, he is entitled too at this stage of the series I guess


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭booth70


    They should have all gone home after the 3rd test

    Hopefully the ODI's that follow will be a bit more competitive


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,283 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A couple of points

    1. Lehmann has got to take a lot of credit for the way the Aussie team has been turned round, pretty much starting as soon as he took over last summer
    2. Although the English batsmen have been (rightly in a lot of cases) berated for the way they have surrended their wickets on occasions, the bowlers have not exactly shone. That stat about the lower order runs scored tells me more about the ability of Australia (and particularly Johnson) to sweep up the lower order wickets. In the past the likes of Botham and Gough would have been chomping at the bit to snap up the lower order cheaply, but the current English attack seems to lack that killer instinct.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    I would have no issue really with Haddin taking the MOTS award but I think it would be incredibly harsh on Johnson who has been the catalyst for the way the Aussies have played this series. He has intimidated and battered the batsman, he has incredible figures and you would have to say that he does deserve the award.

    His wicket haul by the end is going to be very impressive, he ensured the English lower order/tail did not contribute many runs in the series, he lifted the whole Australian team and made them play better as a result of his form and attitude


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    KevIRL wrote: »
    Ya 280-odd I believe

    Aussies should get at least 400 ahead and more than likely more

    Hoping Haddin gets less than 50 though so Warner finishes top batsman for the series

    I'm a big fan of Warner but i hope Haddin does get that, time and again he's carried them and has been immense all series. He'd be man of the series only for Mitchell Johnson who is absolutely nailed on for the reasons in the post above imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Johnson has to get it. It is such an impressive and exciting sight. There would be no complaints if they shared it though. We keep hearing about the famous WI pace attack, that's Johnson multiplied by four. If only they had today's cameras to capture that. Cricket needs more Mitchell Johnsons.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Gillespy wrote: »
    Cricket needs more Mitchell Johnsons.

    Couldnt agree more. Serious lack of exciting fast bowling these days.

    One thing England really need to find is a proper fast bowler who can consistently get up to over 90mph. A proper fast bowler would have made a big difference to them on this tour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Not followed this tour it being on the wrong side of the planet and not having SKY but England have ALWAYS struggled against aggressive bowling. When the windies were still a force the likes of Ambrose, Holding and Richards would skittle them, two summers ago South Africa got at them well.

    Who was it declaring England would win 10-0 in 2013? Which idiot? :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Moist Bread


    djimi wrote: »
    Couldnt agree more. Serious lack of exciting fast bowling these days.

    One thing England really need to find is a proper fast bowler who can consistently get up to over 90mph. A proper fast bowler would have made a big difference to them on this tour.

    They had one, Finn, but somehow managed to completely ruin his confidence. Questions need to be asked about Saker.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Rankin desperately needs to take at least 2 wickets tomorrow if he's to ever be considered again. I just hope he gets a decent opportunity to bowl first, same for Borthwick, not much point in giving him a debut if Cook never bowls him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    I think Rankin needs to up his speed if he wants to have a career in the Test side, this may not be possible for him either. If he could get it up another 5mph or so he would be a very threatening bowler, as things stand he isnt going to be a huge threat to good, Test level batsmen on a regular basis.

    As I said, he may not be able to up his speed without injuring himself anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Lot of people talking about where England go from here but where Australia go from here is just as interesting. They would be well served not to overreact to a 5-0 win here as it will have been everything clicking at the right time while England repeatedly capitulated.

    Looking at the lineup, their top order is still suspect. Rodgers and Warner are a good opening pair but Watson is all over the place, only seems to get runs when they dont matter half as much and often gets out stupidly. Would be better served moving to 6 to suit the allrounder aspect of his game and may do so. Bailey is more than likely out tbh. Leaves a big question mark at 3 then however, Clarke has resisted moving up before even though its the position for him as captain and best batsman. It's tricky though because Aus are in a position that if Warner has a bad showing (which is very possible as he bats at ODI speed all the time) they're in trouble if Clarke does likewise, against sides playing better Haddin is not going to chip in with match changing innings each test.

    Bowling attack has been excellent, if Mitchell Johnson can sustain a bit of form they'll be in decent shape, though they have to be nervous about Harris and his body breaking down. Siddle and Lyon are always good at taking quality wickets.

    For a test series in South Africa they'll still need to change quite a bit up if they don't want to be badly beaten though, their bowling attack is largely fine if Harris holds up but you'd wonder would they be able to hold off a collapse if their top order struggles against Steyn and co and you assume it may unless something is done about their top order.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Why would they change a winning side? Smith, Amla, DeVillers, Peterson are quality but so are Cook, Trott, Pietersen, Bell. England went there in good shape and have been smashed and demoralized so much it's actually hard to watch. Yeah, England have been poor but credit to Australia.

    Bailey is there on merit of his ODI form but I suspect he will make way. Watson at 6 would be a good move.

    How is Huges doing? He has good memories of batting in SA. Time to bring him back?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Its a winning side, but one with obvious flaws, I wouldnt change it too much though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Gillespy wrote: »
    Why would they change a winning side? Smith, Amla, DeVillers, Peterson are quality but so are Cook, Trott, Pietersen, Bell. England went there in good shape and have been smashed and demoralized so much it's actually hard to watch. Yeah, England have been poor but credit to Australia.

    Bailey is there on merit of his ODI form but I suspect he will make way. Watson at 6 would be a good move.

    How is Huges doing? He has good memories of batting in SA. Time to bring him back?

    Amla and AB are a level above all those English players at the moment and South Africa's attack is much superior to England's especially in their home conditions.

    If I was South Africa I would go with 4 quicks and get JP to act as the spinner, Elgar can bowl as well if selected.

    Alviro

    Smith

    Amla

    FAF

    AB

    Duminy


    Elgar/ De Kock


    Philander

    Abbot/ Mc Claren

    Steyn

    Morne


    Going to be a superb series and praise the lord we get 3 tests.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Gillespy wrote: »
    How is Huges doing? He has good memories of batting in SA. Time to bring him back?


    I think Doolan may be ahead of him at the moment with the selectors. Outisde bet that Marcus North may get called up as a cover as he started the Shield batting like a God, and maybe Jordan Silk if he impresses in The Shield before the tour squad is announced.

    Bailey needs at least 80 or so here and even then I would be doubtful that he will tour, this England attack could give up very early tomorrow thus cheap runs wont save him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,605 ✭✭✭✭KevIRL


    Super ton for Chris Rogers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Brilliant from Chris Rodgers again.

    England aren't going to chase this so why not give Borthwich a go rather than Pietersen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Id just declare during lunch tbh, try and end it today :)

    Can you imagine if he did that and it went wrong though!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭manafana


    kryogen wrote: »
    Id just declare during lunch tbh, try and end it today :)

    Can you imagine if he did that and it went wrong though!

    will let tail bat out cricket australia want some action for day 4 punters


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    manafana wrote: »
    will let tail bat out cricket australia want some action for day 4 punters

    Also, giving England two and a half days to bat would be nearly enough time for them to crawl to the winning total :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Borthwick ended up doing alright, 3 big wickets in Rogers, Johnson and Haddin

    Well, England have loads of time to chase this down, should be no problem :)

    Hats off to Nathan Lyon, remains unbeaten for the series


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I only got home a few minutes ago and I've seen 3 wickets so far, good work australia ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    This is great stuff from Australia after Tea, serious fielding from Bailey and Clarke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Delighted, skittled them!!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭booth70


    Well played Australia.....the signs were there in England towards the end of the series there but to turn this around in such a short space of time is remarkable

    Only Ben Stokes can come out of this series for England with any credit at all
    All the rest should hang their heads in shame

    One of the most one-sided 5-0 whitewashes in the history of Test cricket

    How Flower and Cook are going to turn this around is beyond me.....lucky for them it's SL and India at home coming up next.....both teams are generally pretty poor outside of the subcontinent

    As for Australia who have themselves been dreadful overseas in the last year or so , a big series coming up against SA which will serve as a tester of how much progress they have really made


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭spiralism


    Harris MOTM. Man of the Series is Mitchell Johnson, they said it was between himself and Haddin but you could not begrudge him it at all.

    "(England) never gave up, never stopped fighting"...dunno about that now Mitch! :pac:

    Cook out there on the podium, must be killing him having to give that interview and be so frank.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭Jonny_Darcy


    Very poor showing from England in the 2nd Innings, I cant recall ever seeing an England team just give up like that before, especially in an Ashes test regardless of the series score. Distinct lack of leaders on the pitch. :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Thoroughly enjoyed this whole series, havent been able to say that about an Ashes series in a while!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    31 overs...about two and a quarter hours of cricket...slightly over a morning session. Jaysis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    kryogen wrote: »
    Thoroughly enjoyed this whole series, havent been able to say that about an Ashes series in a while!

    I wish I could say the same. Nothing to do with the result; I just found the whole thing became a bit tedious by about the third test, when it became apparent that England were not going to compete and the series looked painfully one sided. It was like every test played out to the same script. Awful series really.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    The way the series stated, I thought here we go again, Australia were 5 down for nothing. Since then, it's been so one sided that the only reason I stayed up and watched two sessions most nights was it was England on the receiving end. That's the Irish in me I guess.

    I liked the human side to it too, Brad Haddin coming back and playing so well. Rodgers getting his opportunity so late in his career and Johnson with his tash and averaging over 90mph taking wickets for fun.

    Did I see the sprinkler being mocked by a few of the Aussies on their lap afterwards? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    djimi wrote: »
    I wish I could say the same. Nothing to do with the result; I just found the whole thing became a bit tedious by about the third test, when it became apparent that England were not going to compete and the series looked painfully one sided. It was like every test played out to the same script. Awful series really.

    I have endured 3 in a row of England domination, of English players and fans giving it the big one (the players are well able to dish it out when on top too!) and I will take anything I can get at the moment in terms of being able to shut them up.

    I would argue that England did try to compete, they just werent able, the loss of Trott was huge imo, he holds the middle order together, gives it a solid base more often then not, this also led to changes in the batting line up, overall it was a poor display from them.

    The bowlers werent much better, not much swing for Jimmy so no surprise not too many wickets for Jimmy, they would get themselves into a good position and then let Australian off the hook.

    The batting collapse has been sorely missed from English teams of late, very happy to see it return with such regularity. To be bowled out in 31 overs in a Test match is impressive, considering the were doing ok for the first session!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭Jonny_Darcy


    Apparently it is the first time England have lost 100 wickets in a 5 test Ashes series. While the Australian bowlers bowled with great discipline and very well as a unit, Johnson aside they are not as outstanding as their stats in this series would suggest. It will be very interesting to see how they get on against South Africa


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Ryan Harris is different class. He showed that in England too and will do very well in SA. Johnson got the headlines but Harris and Siddle got top order batsmen out and went for nothing. Like England, SA batsmen haven't faced anything like this Aussie trio. Really excited for that series to start.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 64 ✭✭Jonny_Darcy


    Yes I am really looking forward to that series - will also be interesting to see how the Australian batsmen stand up to the SA attack! On Harris I think he is a good bowler but the complete capitulation of the English batsmen slightly muddies the waters on Australian bowlers performance this series which I concede may be unfair on them. It's surprising that he has so few matches and test wickets for a player his age, was he injury prone throughout his career or just a late bloomer?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Harris is excellent, he really is, probably should have been left out of the final Test and wrapped in cotton wool. Not many better in the world right now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    djimi wrote: »
    I wish I could say the same. Nothing to do with the result; I just found the whole thing became a bit tedious by about the third test, when it became apparent that England were not going to compete and the series looked painfully one sided. It was like every test played out to the same script. Awful series really.

    Yep, some awesome individual performances and of course Australia were superb but the lack of fight and complete ineptitude from England made it a dull affair from a neutral viewpoint.

    The best match of both series was the first where England won despite haddin smashing it, so many twists and turns and some immense performances from both sides.

    Tbh the first test between South Africa and India was more enjoyable than any of this series.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Yes I am really looking forward to that series - will also be interesting to see how the Australian batsmen stand up to the SA attack! On Harris I think he is a good bowler but the complete capitulation of the English batsmen slightly muddies the waters on Australian bowlers performance this series which I concede may be unfair on them. It's surprising that he has so few matches and test wickets for a player his age, was he injury prone throughout his career or just a late bloomer?


    harris is much more than a good bowler, has been one of the world's best for years and even in both previous Ashes losses he has been consistently Australia's best bowler. On the same level as Vern and only Steyn is better imo.

    harris will gun it in South Africa, similar pitches to Australia and to be fair he has never really failed anywhere.

    Shame he has not much time left as his body is not the best, can't see him making the next Ashes series.

    Also such a shame they cant risk him in the ODI stuff as they need to manage his workload so carefully, fantastic in the format as well.:(


    Oh and aye late bloomer.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    As much as I dislike Haddin and I do dislike him, he deserved MOTS.

    The big question for the Australia attack will be the Faf wall and AB again, like in Adelaide. Hopefully Amla can recover from the India series.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    dfx- wrote: »
    As much as I dislike Haddin and I do dislike him, he deserved MOTS.

    The big question for the Australia attack will be the Faf wall and AB again, like in Adelaide. Hopefully Amla can recover from the India series.

    I fancies South Africa to win that series as I think their batting is superior but Kallis out is massive for me and now I think Australia can win it.

    The loss of Kallis and the deadwood that is JP Duminy batting really hurts South Africa for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    dfx- wrote: »
    As much as I dislike Haddin and I do dislike him, he deserved MOTS.

    The big question for the Australia attack will be the Faf wall and AB again, like in Adelaide. Hopefully Amla can recover from the India series.

    Do you dislike mouthy wicketkeepers in general or is it something else?


  • Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭dom17


    Yes I am really looking forward to that series - will also be interesting to see how the Australian batsmen stand up to the SA attack! On Harris I think he is a good bowler but the complete capitulation of the English batsmen slightly muddies the waters on Australian bowlers performance this series which I concede may be unfair on them. It's surprising that he has so few matches and test wickets for a player his age, was he injury prone throughout his career or just a late bloomer?

    Did it not occur to you that England capitulated because of the bowling


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    The bowlers were on the money, very little was given away.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭booth70




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Wow

    Flower just presided over one of the worst sporting performances in decades and he really is in no position to be making demands for change of players.:mad:


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