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S2S Cycleway - northside

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    #632
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    buffalo wrote: »
    I wouldn't say that - the significance of the road and route is important. If you are on a main road, you should not have to cede priority to a side road. That is what is happening here - the cycle path is a main route, and shouldn't have to cede priority for a more minor access route.

    What he said ^^^


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    #633
    Shedite27
    Registered Users Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    Moflojo wrote: »
    Secondly, the Wooden Bridge is a dead end. People driving across it are only driving to the beach to go for a walk, go for a swim, or some other form of leisure activity.
    Moflojo wrote: »
    Private gold club's needs do not supersede S2S users either.

    So cyclists needs are more important than walkers, swimmers and golfers? Is there anyone above us on the food chain?


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    #634
    Chuchote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    If you look at the map of Dublin you'll be astonished at the amount of land that's taken up by private golf clubs. A terrible use of green space.


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    #635
    ThisRegard
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    Chuchote wrote: »
    If you look at the map of Dublin you'll be astonished at the amount of land that's taken up by private golf clubs. A terrible use of green space.

    Either golf courses of housing estates, I'm happier to see the former, and that's from someone who doesn't play golf. They're also the habitats of a great deal of the city's flaura and fauna. I'm all for keeping the green belts. Not sure how profitable a golf course is, probably not a whole lot given the number that have gone out of business, but they'll either be golf courses or get concreted over. The state won't be stepping in to buy them and keep them as recreational green areas.


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    #636
    Moflojo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Moflojo


    Shedite27 wrote: »
    So cyclists needs are more important than walkers, swimmers and golfers? Is there anyone above us on the food chain?

    If the people are driving in their private motor vehicles to get to the location where they will be walking, swimming, or golfing then yes, cyclists have priority over them.

    If people are walking to the walk/swim/golf location then they, as pedestrians, have priority over cyclists.


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    #637
    alentejo
    Registered Users Posts: 911 ✭✭✭alentejo


    If there is a long wait for cyclists for a green light at the wooden bridge, then ultimately the majority of cyclists will brake these lights. I sometimes think poor traffic light sequences are partly to blame for poor cyclist behaviour.


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    #638
    odyssey06
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    alentejo wrote: »
    If there is a long wait for cyclists for a green light at the wooden bridge, then ultimately the majority of cyclists will brake these lights. I sometimes think poor traffic light sequences are partly to blame for poor cyclist behaviour.

    If it's partly to blame I don't see it being the primary cause. I regularly see cyclists breaking red lights even though their flow through the junction has the highest amount of time allocated (i.e. as the light is green for them and other vehicles). I guarantee you, even if highest priority was allocated at the Wooden Bridge to the cycleway, you'll see cyclists breaking that light. (Ditto for cars and RLJing).

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #639
    mirrormatrix
    Registered Users Posts: 616 ✭✭✭mirrormatrix


    Given that it is stated to be quite a minor junction (just going on the comments above), are lights really necessary at all? Why not just have a yield sign for vehicular traffic? Would allow bike and car traffic to flow much more smoothly.

    It seems to work quite well at other intersections, for example the car parks up towards the clontarf end of the cycle lane.


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    #640
    mrcheez
    Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Agreed, unless a car is actively approaching that junction (or visibility is blocked so u can't ascertain if a car is approaching) then there is little reason to stop there on the cycle lane.

    Why didnt they just do the Stop signs they have on the Phoenix Park cycle lane which work fine?

    Also I wish people that do want to stop at those lights stick to the LHS so as not to block the path .


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    #641
    lambayire
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    mirrormatrix wrote: »
    Given that it is stated to be quite a minor junction (just going on the comments above), are lights really necessary at all? Why not just have a yield sign for vehicular traffic? Would allow bike and car traffic to flow much more smoothly.

    It seems to work quite well at other intersections, for example the car parks up towards the clontarf end of the cycle lane.

    If you are coming from the beach side, then the lights are definitely needed.
    Similarly for pedestrians crossing the road to get to the houses and shops on the other side.

    I'm not a cyclist but I wouldn't blame any cyclist for breaking those lights, whilst being careful doing so.

    Some signage is needed around there.


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    #642
    Moflojo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Moflojo


    Everything is awesome!

    https://twitter.com/broadsheet_ie/status/877814266539028480


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    #643
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,652 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Moflojo wrote: »
    Everything is awesome!

    https://twitter.com/broadsheet_ie/status/877814266539028480

    What, I mean how, but why?....


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    #644
    Atlantic Dawn
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    Moflojo wrote: »
    Everything is awesome!

    https://twitter.com/broadsheet_ie/status/877814266539028480

    A "professional" driver too, idiot, he should have his PSV licence taken off him for a month. Great advert for MyTaxi. Why do people block the reg when there's 100% clear law being broken?


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    #645
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Taxi driver! Hardly surprising considering the amount of contempt that these drivers have for other road users, especially cyclists!

    I'd have this pic saved on my phone for the next Pee rick in a taxi that beeps at me for not using a cycle path!


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    #646
    mrcheez
    Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Did anyone actually stop to question him about why he was there?!?


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    #647
    ThisRegard
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    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Taxi driver! Hardly surprising considering the amount of contempt that these drivers have for other road users, especially cyclists!

    I'd have this pic saved on my phone for the next Pee rick in a taxi that beeps at me for not using a cycle path!

    On the Morning Ireland piece this morning they were interviewing 2 American tourists. When asked what they found worse in Irish roads, they replied taxi drivers.


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    #648
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    mrcheez wrote: »
    Did anyone actually stop to question him about why he was there?!?

    All you'll get from the likes of that would be a face full of abuse!

    I'd of called Clontarf station and see if they would send someone up...


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    #649
    mrcheez
    Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    All you'll get from the likes of that would be a face full of abuse!

    I'd of called Clontarf station and see if they would send someone up...

    Well like I would have spoken to him in a reasoned tone, if I got abuse I would have called the gardai and waited at the car until they arrived.

    Sod being late for work, this is the priority :)


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    #650
    ThisRegard
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    Someone needs to have a ramp stashed somewhere the other side of the wall, drag it out for such occasions and cycle your way over the car.


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    #651
    Atlantic Dawn
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    Cyclists should have went around his car and blocked him until the Gardai arrived :D


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    #652
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    mrcheez wrote: »
    Well like I would have spoken to him in a reasoned tone

    Have you ever found that to work with Taxi drivers?


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    #653
    mrcheez
    Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Have you ever found that to work with Taxi drivers?

    Yeah.. it infuriates them :)


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    #654
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    mrcheez wrote: »
    Yeah.. it infuriates them :)

    Should have sent CycleDub over to have a chat with him!




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    #655
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    it's good that the picture of the taxi driver will bring attention to this problem but for anyone who uses this cycleway regularly you'll know that work vans etc are constantly blocking at least part of the cycle lane.

    this morning on my way in the van was parked on the cycle lane and footpath, with about a metre of space between the van and the kerb. as i was approaching the van one of the workers decided to walk by the side of the van with his back to me, without checking to see if there happened to be a cyclist approaching on the cycle lane.

    this is still my favourite though...



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    #656
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭markpb


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Someone needs to have a ramp stashed somewhere the other side of the wall, drag it out for such occasions and cycle your way over the car.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzE-IMaegzQ See 1:56, 1:59, 2:07 and especially 2:50.


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    #657
    railer201
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    alentejo wrote: »
    If there is a long wait for cyclists for a green light at the wooden bridge, then ultimately the majority of cyclists will brake these lights. I sometimes think poor traffic light sequences are partly to blame for poor cyclist behaviour.

    There isn't really, about half a minute today from pushing the button to the green man/bicycle appearing.


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    #658
    railer201
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    Timed it today - 20 seconds.


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    #659
    railer201
    Registered Users Posts: 968 ✭✭✭railer201


    Again today with heavy traffic on the main Clontarf Road and Bull Wall:

    1 minute in the City direction - 1.5 minutes in the Howth direction.

    The majority of cyclists didn't wait for the green bicycle/man and one car ran the red light exiting the Bull Wall.


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    #660
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    some people just want to watch the world burn
    2rcsyed.jpg


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    #661
    mrcheez
    Registered Users Posts: 13,768 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    mr spuckler wrote: »
    some people just want to watch the world burn
    2rcsyed.jpg

    Could be he was pulling up to have a shmoke, or peer over the edge of the wall :)


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