S2S Cycleway - northside

Grassey

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Maybe some H&S specialists on here could comment on the madness of having metal poles in the middle of a cycle lane? At this section and further up at the bus depot, at very least they should be brightly painted and have padding on them?

They cut back a hedge, and tidied up a footpath near me recently and this somehow resulted in a telephone pole being put on the road with the footpath on the other side. Putting the pole on the path would have obstructed the whole path, so presumably putting it in the road was a 'logical' idea, supported by putting a cone in front of it to warn cars not to drive into it and cross the white line to avoid... (It has subsequently been moved off the roadway after some querying by locals)

Suffice to say, it's clearly 'madness' to install large unlit, non reflective posts on a road where a car may hit them. Installing them in cycle lanes and footpaths is therefore clearly the opposite of madness.

Ferris

Or get rid of them as they serve no purpose.

mrcheez

Grassey wrote: »

They cut back a hedge, and tidied up a footpath near me recently and this somehow resulted in a telephone pole being put on the road with the footpath on the other side. Putting the pole on the path would have obstructed the whole path, so presumably putting it in the road was a 'logical' idea, supported by putting a cone in front of it to warn cars not to drive into it and cross the white line to avoid... (It has subsequently been moved off the roadway after some querying by locals)

Suffice to say, it's clearly 'madness' to install large unlit, non reflective posts on a road where a car may hit them. Installing them in cycle lanes and footpaths is therefore clearly the opposite of madness.

Doggie bins installed directly on bike lane are also advisable

RobertFoster

mrcheez wrote: »

Doggie bins installed directly on bike lane are also advisable

I noticed the one nearest Sutton had been removed the last time I was out that way.

Ferris

Cllr. Ciaran Cuffe got back to me, very promptly I thought. He shared my concern re. the access to Clontarf Baths over the cycleway. He also emailed the traffic section of DCC and forwarded on the response to me:

I refer to your email of today relating to traffic conditions at Clontarf Baths.....The North Central Area Committee has engaged with the Environmental and Transportation Department on the matter. We are committed to developing a design proposal for the scheme and intend to implement the measures by end of September 2018, taking into account the environmental and ecological constraints of the area.

So something is to be done but not until end Sept. Again its an opportunity lost not to have completed this prior to the opening of the Baths. I suppose that we're supposed to cross our fingers that nobody is hurt in the meantime.

Also kudos to Ciaran Cuffe, I really appreciate his fast response.

buffalo

Ferris wrote: »

So something is to be done

The question is, is the something going to be big yield signs for cyclists?

loyatemu

buffalo wrote: »

The question is, is the something going to be big yield signs for cyclists?

"Cyclists Dismount"

neris

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Maybe some H&S specialists on here could comment on the madness of having metal poles in the middle of a cycle lane? At this section and further up at the bus depot, at very least they should be brightly painted and have padding on them?

The one at the bus dept is mad especially the one at the entrance to the bus car park

BrianHenryIE

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Maybe some H&S specialists on here could comment on the madness of having metal poles in the middle of a cycle lane? At this section and further up at the bus depot, at very least they should be brightly painted and have padding on them?

A friend of mine broke his shoulder after crashing into one at the bus garage.


The signs indicate the end/start of the bike lane, suggesting the traffic in/out of the car-parks along the route is to be given priority over cyclists.

NeedMoreGears

brian.henry wrote: »

A friend of mine broke his shoulder after crashing into one at the bus garage.


The signs indicate the end/start of the bike lane, suggesting the traffic in/out of the car-parks along the route is to be given priority over cyclists.

I don’t think so. There are four stop signs, two each side, on the entrance/exit to at least one of the car parks.

At least there were when a car and I collided there a few years back.

I agree. Those poles are just plain stupid.

BrianHenryIE

NeedMoreGears wrote: »

I don’t think so. There are four stop signs, two each side, on the entrance/exit to at least one of the car parks.

I never noticed!


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Duckjob

loyatemu wrote: »

"Cyclists Dismount"

The more poor infrastructure I observe the more I form the opinion that those responsible for making these poor planning decisions probably are well meaning, but the problem is just their perception of "cycling" and, by extension, cycling requirements is hopelessly out of date. Many, when they talk of cycling probably don't envisage anything other than cyclists slowly weaving their way for max couple of km at 10kph max. The modern commuter cyclist, covering distances of 20km+ at speeds of 30-45kph is, I reckon, not an experience they relate to.

Grassey

Duckjob wrote:

The modern commuter cyclist, covering distances of 20km+ at speeds of 30-45kph is, I reckon, not an experience they relate to.

Nor something they want to relate to. Roads are for busy cars. Cycling is for social slow wobbling.

Shedite27

Duckjob wrote: »

The more poor infrastructure I observe the more I form the opinion that those responsible for making these poor planning decisions probably are well meaning, but the problem is just their perception of "cycling" and, by extension, cycling requirements is hopelessly out of date. Many, when they talk of cycling probably don't envisage anything other than cyclists slowly weaving their way for max couple of km at 10kph max. The modern commuter cyclist, covering distances of 20km+ at speeds of 30-45kph is, I reckon, not an experience they relate to.

Yeah that's the biggest problem with new bike lanes for me. I'm quite happy cycling in from Fairview in the bus lane, can overtake cyclists if and when I need to. Put us all in a cycle lane as they are planning and we'll all be moving at the same slow pace

I cycled on this stretch for the first time today and I have to say, I was very impressed. Managed to keep up a fairly steady 30kmh from east point to Howth.

One thing bugged me though and that was the number of cyclists heading towards me cycling two abreast. In one instance I had to slow right down so I could move on to the pedestrian section which had people walking on it.

Is there a protocol I’m missing here, or did I just encounter some ignoramous?

buffalo

Aegir wrote: »

I cycled on this stretch for the first time today and I have to say, I was very impressed. Managed to keep up a fairly steady 30kmh from east point to Howth.

One thing bugged me though and that was the number of cyclists heading towards me cycling two abreast. In one instance I had to slow right down so I could move on to the pedestrian section which had people walking on it.

Is there a protocol I’m missing here, or did I just encounter some ignoramous?

You encountered some ignorami.

If they're not tight enough that it allows you to pass as oncoming traffic (you'd easily get three abreast on most of that lane), and they're not singling out as you approach if it's a pinch point, they're self-absorbed and inconsiderate.

You could always play chicken with them next time?

mrcheez

Aegir wrote: »

I cycled on this stretch for the first time today and I have to say, I was very impressed. Managed to keep up a fairly steady 30kmh from east point to Howth.

One thing bugged me though and that was the number of cyclists heading towards me cycling two abreast. In one instance I had to slow right down so I could move on to the pedestrian section which had people walking on it.

Is there a protocol I’m missing here, or did I just encounter some ignoramous?

Encounter this all the time, and it's particularly annoying when you approach such a group from behind and have trouble overtaking.

What can be so vitally important to discuss that you need to dominate the path? Have your chat at the end of the trip. Simples.

magicbastarder

P_1

Yes you get slower cyclists on it, particularly on a sunny day. TBH if you want to go fast there (above 30kph) then just take the road.

mrcheez

P_1 wrote: »

Yes you get slower cyclists on it, particularly on a sunny day. TBH if you want to go fast there (above 30kph) then just take the Howth road.

FYP ... the road along the coast is pretty horrific.

Whose bright idea was it to lay it down as uneven concrete slabs?

Doctor Bob

mrcheez wrote: »

What can be so vitally important to discuss that you need to dominate the path? Have your chat at the end of the trip. Simples.

Why must conversation be vitally important? Can't it just be social? I use this path on weekends with a few mates (max. 4- we're not one of those groups) and one of the selling points (for me, at any rate- they might disagree...) is that we can talk while we cycle. Two of us took the coast road to Malahide and back recently and it was single file almost all the way. A very scenic route, for sure, but I was glad to get back to the more social segregated track as we headed homewards.

I do agree that some of the two-abreast riding can be inconsiderate, but social two-abreast riding within the correct lane wouldn't fall into that category for me. On weekends especially, you're going to get a mix of cycling abilities, bike types and levels of self-absorption, and it makes sense to cycle accordingly.

The worst experience I've had on the path recently was a large group of cyclists barging through a non-existent gap between two opposing streams of single-file cyclists, requiring other people to take evasive action. It wasn't inconsiderate, it was dangerous.

buffalo

For what it's worth, I don't think two-abreast cycling on the S2S is automatically a bad thing, but there are considerations.

Myself and the missus regularly hog the towpath on the Royal Canal to/from work, but we single out or tighten up as soon as someone approaches from ahead or behind. The S2S is a whole lot busier but wider for the most part, but the same general etiquette applies imo.

site_owner

Theres a bike week event on the cycleway on Sunday 17th at midday, but I imagine people will be gathering from earlier. It's a lesiurely cycle from clontarf to st Anne's.

Suggest to keep well clear unless you're participating...

I'm more than a bit cynical but closing a very popular cycle route doesn't seem like a great way to celebrate bike week.

monument

site_owner wrote: »

Theres a bike week event on the cycleway on Sunday 17th at midday, but I imagine people will be gathering from earlier. It's a lesiurely cycle from clontarf to st Anne's.

Suggest to keep well clear unless you're participating...

I'm more than a bit cynical but closing a very popular cycle route doesn't seem like a great way to celebrate bike week.

Why would a leisure cycle close a cycle path?

site_owner

monument wrote: »

Why would a leisure cycle close a cycle path?

A few hundred cyclists bunched together on a narrow enough path. They're being led by the group that were in the Paddy's Day parade on high Nelly's. I imagine it will be moving about 10kph.

Good luck getting past it in either direction for the hour or so it takes to clear from clontarf to st Anne's.

But I might be being too cynical

Pigeon Reaper

site_owner wrote: »

A few hundred cyclists bunched together on a narrow enough path. They're being led by the group that were in the Paddy's Day parade on high Nelly's. I imagine it will be moving about 10kph.
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Time to dig up my dutch bike and practice my low speed balancing!

Carawaystick

monument wrote: »

Why would a leisure cycle close a cycle path?

you mightnt see them in their mandatory but not compusory PPE on a road...

mr spuckler

it looks like the wall height reduction is going to start soon - there was a sign up this evening saying that work is starting on the 20th for 10 weeks. the footpath is to be closed and it says that the cycle lane will be "reduced".

Tenzor07

mr spuckler wrote: »

the footpath is to be closed and it says that the cycle lane will be "reduced".

i.e. The cycle lane will be used to park construction trucks and equipment during the day and probably have roadworks signs placed on it in the evening.... The road would probably be a better option...

John Hutton

mr spuckler wrote: »

it looks like the wall height reduction is going to start soon - there was a sign up this evening saying that work is starting on the 20th for 10 weeks. the footpath is to be closed and it says that the cycle lane will be "reduced".

This is so so stupid.