S2S Cycleway - northside

mathie

mrcheez wrote: »

So looks like we won't have to worry so much about cars driving up on the new bike lane. It's pedestrians (joggers/dog-walkers especially) that will take ownership of the new lane... already seeing people using it for this purpose despite the bollards up and I can sort of understand why they think it's for walkers considering the width.

I reckon it will be a matter of weeks by the time we hear of the first cyclist caught in a dog-lead on this stretch.

Hopefully the painted on cyclist "signs" on the pathway are yet to be put down
Although that didn't stop the guy I saw walking this morning on the cyclepath just south of the south bull wall.

mirrormatrix

mrcheez wrote: »

Kinda hard to tell in the dark light, but I think it does form a new path.

After this point the view is obstructed by cars/motorbikes so this is the closest shot

Was up here last night. Seemed to me like, at the arrow where you've written "new path begins". You then have to cross the road to get into the bike lane on the LHS of the road, cycle to the lights, and then cross the road again to get onto the bike lane on the RHS after the causeway road. Is that correct?

mrcheez

mirrormatrix wrote: »

Was up here last night. Seemed to me like, at the arrow where you've written "new path begins". You then have to cross the road to get into the bike lane on the LHS of the road, cycle to the lights, and then cross the road again to get onto the bike lane on the RHS after the causeway road. Is that correct?

I don't think so... I'll check next time

Afaik, they are continuing the lane on over where the white signs are at the mo

cdaly_

The current builders' compound on the seaward side of the road is where the cycle path will go. The crossing point is presumably for traffic heading up towards Raheny.

mrcheez

cdaly_ wrote: »

The current builders' compound on the seaward side of the road is where the cycle path will go. The crossing point is presumably for traffic heading up towards Raheny.

Yeah pretty much this... the path will continue straight on toward the causeway junction, had a look last night.

mirrormatrix

Latest update from DCC seems to be that the road will re-open at the end of next week, but that the cycle path will not open until January or February.

cdaly_

That's gonna be fun. I'll be cycling mid-lane with a 'perfectly good'* cycle path beside me and no room for overtaking...

Also, the area is really nice at the moment with no through traffic. The residents should band together and obstruct the road permanently.





*building site

mrcheez

cdaly_ wrote: »

Also, the area is really nice at the moment with no through traffic.

I'd say the residents are loving it being blocked off along their street!

I wonder are they receiving any sort of compensation.

Veloce150

Compensation?

In effect, Dublin City Council is building the new and very expensive cycle lane so that the residents can park free of charge on the public road in the space originally marked out for an inexpensive cycle lane.

odyssey06

Veloce150 wrote: »

Compensation?
In effect, Dublin City Council is building the new and very expensive cycle lane so that the residents can park free of charge on the public road in the space originally marked out for an inexpensive cycle lane.

If we're talking about the area in the picture on post #303, there are no residents there except for the ducks of the duck pond. It's the section with St Annes to the left and the sea to the right.
It had a free public car park for visitors to that part of the St Annes. That car park closed for the entire duration of the works with no indications as to when it will re-open.

mrcheez

Veloce150 wrote: »

Compensation?

In effect, Dublin City Council is building the new and very expensive cycle lane so that the residents can park free of charge on the public road in the space originally marked out for an inexpensive cycle lane.

Huh? There won't be any on-street parking as the road is narrower.

I'm talking about the area opposite the houses where people are blocked from accessing their driveways easily (without having to go a circuitous route).

Veloce150

mrcheez wrote: »

Huh? There won't be any on-street parking as the road is narrower.

I'm talking about the area opposite the houses where people are blocked from accessing their driveways easily (without having to go a circuitous route).

The stretch from Dollymount to Mount Prospect had a nominal cycle lane but this was useless as residents always parked on it. The cost of builing that part of the S2S could have been avoided if the council had simply banned on-street parking there and done some enforcement.

mrcheez

Veloce150 wrote: »

if the council had simply banned on-street parking there and done some enforcement.

where in Dublin has that EVER been enforced?

Point is, I'm sure the residents there would revel in the idea of continuing the traffic blocking and want the job finished as fast as we do.

I've been using the finished section opposite St Annes for a few weeks now. Very nice, though will be a magnet for joggers.

NeedMoreGears

How expensive was the bike lane? Not much I'd say.

Part of the works was to lay that huge pipeline. The council would have had to make good the surface anyway, so it was a relatively simple thing to reallocate space into a decent cycle lane(s) and another lane(s) for motor vehicles. I doubt it cost a lot more than painting on a new lane.

Pigeon Reaper

Almost all of the work was for the pipeline and sea defence. The cycle lane is being laid on top of the pipeline as part of the finishing stage.

learn

Pigeon Reaper wrote: »

Almost all of the work was for the pipeline and sea defence. The cycle lane is being laid on top of the pipeline as part of the finishing stage.

That pipeline will be going to Sutton ?

magicbastarder

dunno about that, but the recent work certainly wasn't.

Veloce150

mirrormatrix wrote: »

Latest update from DCC seems to be that the road will re-open at the end of next week, but that the cycle path will not open until January or February.

Latest news from Clontarf is that the contractors have asked for the road closure to be extended for another 5 days, meaning the road would not open until Dec 3rd.

Then, thay say, the lane width will be 3 metres each way staing that 'normal traffic' and cyclists would be sharing this.

Chuchote

Veloce150 wrote: »

'normal traffic' and cyclists would be sharing this.

Not a cycleway, then?

De Bhál

Just to January, then the cycle track will open

Normal traffic and cyclists

Chuchote

Normal traffic

Veloce150

De Bhál wrote: »

Just to January, then the cycle track will open.

I'm curious to know if there will be on-street parking between the wooden bridge and Mount Prospect?

monument

Veloce150 wrote: »

I'm curious to know if there will be on-street parking between the wooden bridge and Mount Prospect?

Yes, there will be.

Veloce150

monument wrote: »

Yes, there will be.

And will on-street parking be allowed when the cycleway is non-operational?

learn

Veloce150 wrote: »

And will on-street parking be allowed when the cycleway is non-operational?

Not possible to cycle where parking spaces are.

Veloce150

From Dunlin City Council:

Clontarf Road, Dublin 3.

KN Network Services Ltd. intends to close the following road to facilitate road resurfacing works on the dates and times listed below:

Clontarf Road (from Mount Prospect Avenue to Kincora Road), D. 3 from 00.00hrs on Monday 28th November 2016 to 24.00hrs on Friday 2nd December 2016.

This is an extension to the existing temporary road closure that was due to end at 24.00hrs on Sunday 27th November 2016.

cdaly_

Chuchote wrote: »

Normal traffic

Why did I think "Swords club kit" when I saw that?...

Raam

cdaly_ wrote: »

Why did I think "Swords club kit" when I saw that?...

Cos we ride around in cowboy hats?

Mercian Pro

An idiot trucker posted this on FB today with the tag "Why Motorists hate Cyclists!!!" One of the comments read "Make them bonnet mascots". DCC have announced that the cyclepath will not open till January and Clontarf Residents Association have pointed out to them that cyclists sharing the narrowed road is dangerous. I know I would use as much of the cyclepath as possible whether it is "open" or not.

mrcheez

Mercian Pro wrote: »

An idiot trucker posted this on FB today with the tag "Why Motorists hate Cyclists!!!" One of the comments read "Make them bonnet mascots". DCC have announced that the cyclepath will not open till January and Clontarf Residents Association have pointed out to them that cyclists sharing the narrowed road is dangerous. I know I would use as much of the cyclepath as possible whether it is "open" or not.

I use it all the time now. Would be nice if they cleared the path of the stones, or added some sandbags for mounting the kerb at the Clontarf end (you can get up on the path from the Raheny end easily enough thanks to the drainage inserts).

But lovely to cycle along there (albeit briefly) in the evenings with the moon shining over the coast.

Mercian Pro

mrcheez wrote: »

I use it all the time now. Would be nice if they cleared the path of the stones, or added some sandbags for mounting the kerb at the Clontarf end (you can get up on the path from the Raheny end easily enough thanks to the drainage inserts).

But lovely to cycle along there (albeit briefly) in the evenings with the moon shining over the coast.

Heading towards town, where do you have to go back on the road?

Are there signs at either end saying it is still not open or to be used?

mrcheez

Mercian Pro wrote: »

Heading towards town, where do you have to go back on the road?

Going into town I usually go the Howth Road when I head to work, but can take the leisurely slow route home along the coast/roadworks.

Mercian Pro wrote: »

Are there signs at either end saying it is still not open or to be used?

Nope, no signs and the plastic road blocks have been moved to the side indicating that usage is fine or encouraged.

It's only for a couple of minutes of course since it's a short section, but at least it's clear of cars and a chance to try out the new surface.

Just note there are some debris (small stones) left over from the roadworks so ymmv.

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Wishbone Ash

Mercian Pro wrote: »

An idiot trucker posted this on FB today with the tag "Why Motorists hate Cyclists!!!"....

He must have been closing in on that cyclist pretty rapidly as he's in 11th gear! In my experience, it's pretty difficult to get above 8th or 9th in a sub-urban environment.

Mercian Pro

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

He must have been closing in on that cyclist pretty rapidly as he's in 11th gear! In my experience, it's pretty difficult to get above 8th or 9th in a sub-urban environment.

And he has at least one hand off the wheel taking that photo!

(Wouldn't it be great if the photo included the speedo and he was over the limit)

magicbastarder

sure you could post the link to FB on here and let a bunch of cyclists give feedback on the post.

Mercian Pro

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206958844242721&id=1627141703&set=a.1619393977874.76125.1627141703&source=48

A few of us have already commented.

Leroy42

Slightly OT, but is the wall on the left of the picture the wall that all the pretests were about? I mean I was expecting a massive wall but that is only a few feet high.

Was it originally planned to be much higher and reducing on the protests?

Mercian Pro

Leroy42 wrote: »

Slightly OT, but is the wall on the left of the picture the wall that all the pretests were about? I mean I was expecting a massive wall but that is only a few feet high.

Was it originally planned to be much higher and reducing on the protests?

That's the original height. If you look closely you will see a blue line on the wall. They have started cutting away the concrete to reduce the height to the blue line following complaints from drivers that they wouldn't be able to admire the view. :mad::mad:

More about it back a year ago on this thread.

Leroy42

Mercian Pro wrote: »

That's the original height. If you look closely you will see a blue line on the wall. They have started cutting away the concrete to reduce the height to the blue line following complaints from drivers that they wouldn't be able to admire the view. :mad::mad:

More about it back a year ago on this thread.

Thanks, I remember all that, it was just when I saw it in the photo I thought that it couldn't be right, I mean it is not exactly the great wall of China. People wasted months arguing about that.

odyssey06

Mercian Pro wrote: »

That's the original height. If you look closely you will see a blue line on the wall. They have started cutting away the concrete to reduce the height to the blue line following complaints from drivers that they wouldn't be able to admire the view. :mad::mad:

Yeah, putting a wall in a place that had never flooded from the sea since Bull Island formed, at the wrong height... that's DCC for you :mad::mad:
People would get :mad::mad: if they started putting walls blocking the views along our globally advertised Wild Atlantic Way... unless they were really, really necessary.

P_1

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yeah, putting a wall in a place that had never flooded from the sea since Bull Island formed, at the wrong height... that's DCC for you :mad::mad:
People would get :mad::mad: if they started putting walls blocking the views along our globally advertised Wild Atlantic Way... unless they were really, really necessary.

To be fair if they're having the footpath by the sea then it's irresponsible not to put a wall there.

Carawaystick

odyssey06 wrote: »

Yeah, putting a wall in a place that had never flooded from the sea since Bull Island formed, at the wrong height... that's DCC for you :mad::mad:
People would get :mad::mad: if they started putting walls blocking the views along our globally advertised Wild Atlantic Way... unless they were really, really necessary.

Drivers shouldn't be looking at the sea, they should be focused on the road. People cycling and people walking would have no issue seeing over the wall. What's the problem?

buffalo

P_1 wrote: »

To be fair if they're having the footpath by the sea then it's irresponsible not to put a wall there.

Have you been on to the council about this so?

https://goo.gl/maps/huwxbxip5Gr

Moflojo

buffalo wrote: »

Have you been on to the council about this so?

https://goo.gl/maps/huwxbxip5Gr

Deathtrap.

odyssey06

Carawaystick wrote: »

Drivers shouldn't be looking at the sea, they should be focused on the road. People cycling and people walking would have no issue seeing over the wall. What's the problem?

So should cyclists shouldn't they really?
I was thinking of car passengers.
And given that the wall is being built in case that part of Bull Island is subermged in 50 years time, by then we might have driverless, or at least semi-autonomous cars.

Veloce150

Mercian Pro wrote: »

Heading towards town, where do you have to go back on the road?

At Mount Prospect. There is no ramp though. You'd have to stop and lift the bike over the kerb onto the road.

Mercian Pro wrote: »

HAre there signs at either end saying it is still not open or to be used?

Outbound at Dollymount, the only sign is on the barricade blocking the cycle track. No diversion or merging is faciliatated. You have to lift your bike over the small wall and manhandle it onto the road, then cross-over against oncoming traffic in order continue in the left hand lane.

The (road) stretch from Dollymount to Mount Prospect is well surfaced now and includes very nice dedicated, free,-on-street parking, where the original cycle lane was located. So, all those years of residents refusing to leave the cycle lane clear for cyclists has paid off in the end.

Raam

Feels wrong not having to dodge potholes anymore. I almost miss the excitement.

Leroy42

Raam wrote: »

Feels wrong not having to dodge potholes anymore. I almost miss the excitement.

Don't worry, the pedestrians, dog leads and cyclists in groups of 4 across will be along shortly

Raam

Leroy42 wrote: »

Don't worry, the pedestrians, dog leads and cyclists in groups of 4 across will be along shortly

Ah yeah, that'll make up for it somewhat. Can't bunny-hop those lot too easy though

mrcheez

odyssey06 wrote: »

So should cyclists shouldn't they really?

The wonders of peripheral vision allow you to see both the path *AND* the sea.

Incidentally the road has opened up now... I kinda miss the old tramlines... made cycling that length more "interesting"