Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

silverharp

Basically college exams are going to be changed to suit women so there will be "take home " exams and more course work to "balance" things up. we are on the path to that oz dystopian video about the privilege points

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4598036/Saying-genius-brilliant-alienate-female-students.html

Cambridge academics are being discouraged from using terms such as genius, brilliant or flair in feedback for fear of alienating female students.
It is one of a series of moves lecturers say will help women – including changing exams and even removing portraits of men from the library.
Dr Lucy Delap, lecturer in modern British history, said ‘vague talk of genius, brilliance [and] flair carries assumptions of gender inequality’. She said some women ‘don’t find it very easy to project themselves into those categories’.

Dr Delap revealed exams were being overhauled in a bid to tackle a ‘gender differential’ which sees women outshone.
This could mean more coursework, take-home exams, group work or a portfolio of essays.

Sleepy

More groupwork would definitely have suited the women I was in college with. It was usually an excuse to drink coffee at group meetings while letting the smartest person (typically a man due to distribution) do the vast majority of the work.

silverharp

Sleepy wrote: »

More groupwork would definitely have suited the women I was in college with. It was usually an excuse to drink coffee at group meetings while letting the smartest person (typically a man due to distribution) do the vast majority of the work.

hopefully you could pick your groups and have a male only one?

Sleepy

Honestly, for my post-grad we did just that - a group of us who were the best of the class at the individual subjects teamed up to do all the group projects - I did the programming one, a friend did the databases one, another friend did the Systems Analysis one etc.

It wasn't an option for the undergrad and the 4 women I was stuck with for the main group project (worth 5 ECTs at the time) would have had their average scores dragged up by that project.

Now, of course, I knew some exceptionally smart women in college. They were less common, however, than exceptionally smart men. Though, on the other end of the scale, the majority of the utter wasters in the course would have been male.

Pawwed Rig

Sleepy wrote: »

More groupwork would definitely have suited the women I was in college with. It was usually an excuse to drink coffee at group meetings while letting the smartest person (typically a man due to distribution) do the vast majority of the work.

Our college had a group assignment for every module. Generally you choose your own groups and gravitate to people with the same level of motivation as you have (for better or worse). Sometimes you end up with a leech but ime gender played no role as to who was the smartest person in the group.

silverharp

Sleepy wrote: »

Honestly, for my post-grad we did just that - a group of us who were the best of the class at the individual subjects teamed up to do all the group projects - I did the programming one, a friend did the databases one, another friend did the Systems Analysis one etc.

It wasn't an option for the undergrad and the 4 women I was stuck with for the main group project (worth 5 ECTs at the time) would have had their average scores dragged up by that project.

Now, of course, I knew some exceptionally smart women in college. They were less common, however, than exceptionally smart men. Though, on the other end of the scale, the majority of the utter wasters in the course would have been male.

the major takeaway point is that the group work as a principle works against the very top performers . the lecturer in the article was only concerned with the number of 1st degrees awarded even though for all we know the class is 2/3 or 3/4 female.

I remember saying it to my wife because Junior ended up doing more of the work in one or two school group projects and it was this that group work doesn't really exist in the working world. In the real world you have a team leader and subordinates and the trick is to be able to work well in a hierarchy . only in something like a brainstorm do you do group like stuff.

Sleepy

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Our college had a group assignment for every module. Generally you choose your own groups and gravitate to people with the same level of motivation as you have (for better or worse). Sometimes you end up with a leech but ime gender played no role as to who was the smartest person in the group.

It may have had a lot to do with the fact I did Commerce which is a fairly handy degree (less than 17 hours lectures a week). Owing to this, there was a fairly high proportion of girls in my year reading for their MRS rather than their B.Comm.

ligerdub

Society continues to lower its standards to give a leg-up to those who can't or won't put the necessary into getting the job done.

We had a recent situation where there was an increase in the number of female TD's. Vincent Browne (presented by a woman) had an all-female panel for a week. They debated female only issues for the week (which smacked of a missed opportunity to me) and one suggestion, which was unanimously agreed upon, was that government meetings and discussions should be carried out and completed within specific business hours. This would enable women to complete their parenting duties. This irked me for two reasons. 1. If a man had used those exact words he's have been accused of all sorts of stuff relating to "women should be in the home" viewpoints etc, and 2. It's completely unrealistic. You don't change the job to suit the people who are sitting in the seat. The people sitting in the seat adjust to the job that is required.

I'm no expert, but I have done quite a bit of reading on the subject, and what seems to be a common factor in play for those who have a strong tendency to achieve is the area of focus. They hone their skills, they specialise, and they dedicate a lot of time to get to that level. Obviously in the age we live in we have ways to make things a bit more flexible, but we shouldn't do it without good reason.

What we'll end up seeing is a lot more people coming up to mediocrity, and the ones who would have achieved a lot more end up coming down towards mediocre levels themselves.

red ears

silverharp wrote: »

Basically college exams are going to be changed to suit women so there will be "take home " exams and more course work to "balance" things up. we are on the path to that oz dystopian video about the privilege points

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4598036/Saying-genius-brilliant-alienate-female-students.html

It's astonishing, yet more help for women even though they are outperforming men in education. Is there nobody in authority or with influence that is going to do something for boys in education.

KrustyUCC

There is a bake off competition for a charity fundraiser in work

One lad wanted to enter

He got an email from the competition judging panel saying that basically he was wasteing his time as nobody would believe he could make a cake that would win the competition

eviltwin

KrustyUCC wrote: »

There is a bake off competition for a charity fundraiser in work

One lad wanted to enter

He got an email from the competition judging panel saying that basically he was wasteing his time as nobody would believe he could make a cake that would win the competition

Who told him that? That's crazy, men are well established in the baking world now, sure half the contestants ( and one of the judges ) on the bake off show is male.

Tell him to shove that and enter.

KrustyUCC

One of the judges

it really is crazy esp as it actually cost money to enter the competition

He decided he will take the day off, spend it with his family and bake them a cake instead

D0NNELLY

KrustyUCC wrote: »

One of the judges

it really is crazy esp as it actually cost money to enter the competition

He decided he will take the day off, spend it with his family and bake them a cake instead

Reply and cc hr with a gender equality awareness programme link

D0NNELLY

D0NNELLY wrote: »

Reply and cc hr with a gender equality awareness programme link

Though when i tried to find a gender equality programme i came across genderequality.ie

Nothing equal about it!! My tax euros hard at work!

LostinBlanch

maybe

A woman who made up rape and sexual assault claims against 15 men, and sent one innocent man to jail for 7 years :eek: is currently on trial in the UK for perjury and perverting the course of justice.

I can't even imagine what kind of perverted thinking leads someone like her to do such things.

Arcade_Tryer

red ears wrote: »

It's astonishing, yet more help for women even though they are outperforming men in education. Is there nobody in authority or with influence that is going to do something for boys in education.

Parents perhaps?

In a lot of these types of discussions concerning education, it's very easy to forget that boys and girls really aren't all that different, just as men and women are not. Changing curriculums or exam structures to help boys or girls is really avoiding the fact that the most significant determinants of how well boys and girls perform in education is the society they grow up in, and parents' influence.

All of this nonsense about how such and such an exam or curriculum structure favours boys over girls, or vice versa, is nonsense, and serves only to skew the issue away from the real issues of societal values toward education, and parents' role in providing early education to children.

iptba

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I'm guessing Smirnoff don't run similar initiatives for areas where there are fewer men.

silverharp

Im not even going to look up the "Gash Collective"

red ears

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Parents perhaps?

In a lot of these types of discussions concerning education, it's very easy to forget that boys and girls really aren't all that different, just as men and women are not. Changing curriculums or exam structures to help boys or girls is really avoiding the fact that the most significant determinants of how well boys and girls perform in education is the society they grow up in, and parents' influence.

All of this nonsense about how such and such an exam or curriculum structure favours boys over girls, or vice versa, is nonsense, and serves only to skew the issue away from the real issues of societal values toward education, and parents' role in providing early education to children.

I do agree they have pretty much the same ability which is all the more reason not to have programs and help for one sex and not the other.

Calhoun

iptba wrote: »

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I'm guessing Smirnoff don't run similar initiatives for areas where there are fewer men.

I would be more concerned about a cynical cash grab by a drinks company. They are a private company afterall, so if there sending a message out that your not their target demographic that's fine i wouldnt drink it.

silverharp

Calhoun wrote: »

I would be more concerned about a cynical cash grab by a drinks company. They are a private company afterall, so if there sending a message out that your not their target demographic that's fine i wouldnt drink it.

what you wont see though is a beer company support a men's charity or a men's issue. so companies will big up their female demographic but not vice versa.

ligerdub

From RTE.ie

I know it's jovial and all that, but there's no such thing as a joke and all that.

Carlos Orange

No

silverharp wrote: »

what you wont see though is a beer company support a men's charity or a men's issue. so companies will big up their female demographic but not vice versa.

The only brand I have ever seen do an ad that seemed positive about masculinity is Hugo Boss. Maybe I have just forgotten all the rest or am exposed to a startlingly small percentage of brands advertising but it seems pretty rare.

Calhoun

silverharp wrote: »

what you wont see though is a beer company support a men's charity or a men's issue. so companies will big up their female demographic but not vice versa.

They are heavily involved in male sports though, they arent stupid by any means.

Realistically what will resonate more with men? maybe they see a stunt like this as a way to reach women.

silverharp

Google is taking the p1ss

Outlaw Pete

In Temple Bar earlier and a stag do was walking down near Supermacs all dressed in frocks..... group of girls walking in the opposite direction start jeering them about what they have on underneath and one of them runs over and lifts up the frock everyone to see he was going commando.... to much hilarity.

I then pulled up that woman's skirt and got arrested.

Nah, but I bet I would've had I done :P

Mad how women can do that and it's so acceptable. Not I have too much issue with it, was accosted similarly in Temple Bar myself a few years back and didn't care (some drunk girls pulled my jeans down a little.. did it to a few guys) but it's more that there is such a huge double standard and you just know that if a guy did reciprocate he'd most likely find himself in bother.

Anyway, news from the frontline is that they've started early in Temple Bar today it would seem.

Murrisk

gizmo555 wrote: »

The Guardian reports today (June 8) that Madrid's Municipal Transport Authority is posting signs to discourage "manspreading".

Really? There are certain guys who reeeeaaally take the piss with spreading their legs. Really encroaching on other people's space. I'm a short woman and even I've been pinned in to the side of the bus by these dudes. All guys have to spread their legs a bit and most have the cop on to not overdo it. On the subject of handbags and coats of women. I've been using public transport for a long time and this not a gendered thing. Every woman pretty much carries a handbag but handbags are pretty neat things to place on your lap. Backpacks carried by guys are as much of an issue, I find. Most people move their stuff anyway if you want to sit down, whereas a guy that really spreads out often doesn't think that he has to tone it down a bit, for some reason. The two aren't comparable at all, from my extensive experience. The picture of the Spanish woman spreading out there misses the point, it's pretty clear to me that the sign is aimed at guys who just take the piss with it.

I'm surprised you have never heard of anyone having an issue with this in real life. I have. I don't think it's offensive to women, it just really invades one's personal space. The space directly in front of where you are sitting should be yours, you shouldn't have to push your legs off to the side (sometimes to a crazy degree) to accommodate someone else. Yes, this has happened to me.

Arcade_Tryer

Murrisk wrote: »

I'm surprised you have never heard of anyone having an issue with this in real life. I have. I don't think it's offensive to women, it just really invades one's personal space. The space directly in front of where you are sitting should be yours, you shouldn't have to push your legs off to the side (sometimes to a crazy degree) to accommodate someone else. Yes, this has happened to me.

Many women cross their legs on public transport.

And of course many men spread their legs.

The difference is that a campaign solely targeting women crossing their legs would never have been commissioned, and would have caused mass outrage if it did somehow manage to.

Murrisk

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Many women cross their legs on public transport.

And of course many men spread their legs.

The difference is that a campaign solely targeting women crossing their legs would never have been commissioned, and would have caused mass outrage if it did somehow manage to.

I have never had my space encroached on public transport by someone crossing their legs. The guys who take the piss, I am seriously talking 90 degree angles being made with their legs. This is what is being targeted. It's a problem. And it's totally unnecessary. Nobody needs that much space for their junk. I personally thought the campaign was a great and wished it could happen here. And, IMO, this is what makes men's rights activists look as petty as the most petty feminists. Did you even stop for a second and consider that the campaign might actually have a point?

red ears

I have genuinely never had an issue with manspreading on public transport. I have had encounters with people's shopping bags taking up space from both genders.

JRant

Murrisk wrote: »

I have never had my space encroached on public transport by someone crossing their legs. The guys who take the piss, I am seriously talking 90 degree angles being made with their legs. This is what is being targeted. It's a problem. And it's totally unnecessary. Nobody needs that much space for their junk. I personally thought the campaign was a great and wished it could happen here. And, IMO, this is what makes men's rights activists look as petty as the most petty feminists. Did you even stop for a second and consider that the campaign might actually have a point?

So you think having a campaign that negatively portraits one gender in a bad light is a good idea then? It's inherently sexists IMO.

Manspreading? Christ on a bike, you know you've nothing better to do with your time when this is a "thing".

Imagine there were calls for women to keep their arses on their own seat instead of taking up half of the seat beside them as well as there own #WideLoadSpreading. There would be uproar.

The J Stands for Jay

Murrisk wrote: »

I have never had my space encroached on public transport by someone crossing their legs. The guys who take the piss, I am seriously talking 90 degree angles being made with their legs. This is what is being targeted. It's a problem. And it's totally unnecessary. Nobody needs that much space for their junk. I personally thought the campaign was a great and wished it could happen here. And, IMO, this is what makes men's rights activists look as petty as the most petty feminists. Did you even stop for a second and consider that the campaign might actually have a point?

What about a campaign to provide seats on public transport that are big enough for adults. Most seats are nowhere near as wide as my shoulders. Or am I manspreading my shoulders/torso?

py2006

If only our colourful feminists friends here were outraged enough to campaign against women in other countries being stoned to death for being raped or accused of an affair as they are about coming up with phrases like 'mansplaining', 'manspreading', etc

It really highlights the preposterous nature of a bunch of deluded sexist hypocrites.

deaddonkey15

py2006 wrote: »

If only our colourful feminists friends here were outraged enough to campaign against women in other countries being stoned to death for being raped or accused of an affair as they are about coming up with phrases like 'mansplaining', 'manspreading', etc

It really highlights the preposterous nature of a bunch of deluded sexist hypocrites.

It's because it would involve criticising islam which the PC SJW do-gooders won't tolerate. It's far more beneficial for our western twitter feminists to lump themselves in with muslims as another 'minority' victimized by the straight white male as opposed to publicly opposing the most misogynistic and oppressive idealogy on the planet.

JRant

py2006 wrote: »

If only our colourful feminists friends here were outraged enough to campaign against women in other countries being stoned to death for being raped or accused of an affair as they are about coming up with phrases like 'mansplaining', 'manspreading', etc

It really highlights the preposterous nature of a bunch of deluded sexist hypocrites.

When we have terms like manspreading and mansplaining doing the rounds then the "battle" is over as far as I'm concerned. It's just silly small minded people with to much time on their hands.

In their world a religion of 1.3 billion people and a gender making up half the entire worlds population are minority's. That along tells you everything you need to know about the lunacy of these folk.

red ears

Let's have an international manspreading day. Where men all over the world manspread everywhere. Simply to highlight how little it actually happens in reality.

Arcade_Tryer

Murrisk wrote: »

I have never had my space encroached on public transport by someone crossing their legs. The guys who take the piss, I am seriously talking 90 degree angles being made with their legs. This is what is being targeted. It's a problem. And it's totally unnecessary. Nobody needs that much space for their junk. I personally thought the campaign was a great and wished it could happen here. And, IMO, this is what makes men's rights activists look as petty as the most petty feminists. Did you even stop for a second and consider that the campaign might actually have a point?

Ok. But others have. But maybe it's not as big a problem as men spreading their legs.

However, and this is the crux of the situation; if women crossing their legs was as widespread, or even a bigger problem, on public transport as men spreading theirs, there is no way in hell that a campaign would have been commissioned targeting the practice and focusing solely on women. And that is the double standard. So relax with name calling; I'd consider myself a feminist before a men's rights activists for the record.

py2006

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Ok. But others have. But maybe it's not as big a problem as men spreading their legs.

However, and this is the crux of the situation; if women crossing their legs was as widespread, or even a bigger problem, on public transport as men spreading theirs, there is no way in hell that a campaign would have been commissioned targeting the practice and focusing solely on women. And that is the double standard. So relax with name calling; I'd consider myself a feminist before a men's rights activists for the record.

A male driven campaign targetting perceived behaviour of women would never see light of day. Largely dismissed and laughed at as sexism and misogyny.

Modern day feminism is not something to aspire to. Dismissed increasingly (albeit slowly) by rational women. Men claiming to be feminists is questionable. I'd say the same of the men's rights activists if they are simply the male equivalent of feminism.

Pawwed Rig

To be fair few people in this part of the world would take a campaign like that seriously. Even the 2 Spanish guys I asked about this were fairly embarrassed.
If this is an issue I would say there is no longer any need for femenism as all of the actual issues are resolved. For those that see it as an issue would they not just ask the person to move? Same as I would with shopping/school bags.

ligerdub

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

To be fair few people in this part of the world would take a campaign like that seriously. Even the 2 Spanish guys I asked about this were fairly embarrassed.
If this is an issue I would say there is no longer any need for femenism as all of the actual issues are resolved. For those that see it as an issue would they not just ask the person to move? Same as I would with shopping/school bags.

There's a simple, less controversial, and probably more effective method to manage that "problem".

Put a sign up, make it prominent, with something along the lines of: "Passengers are reminded that this is a public service. Please be considerate in ensuring you give considerable space to the person sitting beside you."

No gender, no bag, balls, crossed legs, wide knees issue.

But no, in feminist Spain it's play the man not the ball.

On some buses if I don't "manspread" then I can't sit down, my arse won't be on the seat. I'm not particularly tall either.

Outlaw Pete

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

To be fair few people in this part of the world would take a campaign like that seriously. Even the 2 Spanish guys I asked about this were fairly embarrassed.
If this is an issue I would say there is no longer any need for femenism as all of the actual issues are resolved. For those that see it as an issue would they not just ask the person to move? Same as I would with shopping/school bags.

Surely the bigger issue is how the hell do feminists have this kind of control over Goverment polices (in the western world at least). You have men resorting to dressing up as Spiderman and Batman in an attempt to get some attention on things which they feel need to be addressed.... which I understand not everyone supports...... but then you see the likes of this nonsense being green lit and funded and it's just maddening.

Sure why I am surprised when in Sweden they tried to make it illegal for men to pee standing up a few years back:

https://www.thelocal.se/20120611/41358

A country that has a Mansplaining hotline:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/world/europe/mansplaining-hotline-swedish-union.html

Calhoun

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Surely the bigger issue is how the hell do feminists have this kind of control over Goverment polices (in the western world at least). You have men resorting to dressing up as Spiderman and Batman in an attempt to get some attention on things which they feel need to be addressed.... which I understand not everyone supports...... but then you see the likes of this nonsense being green lit and funded and it's just maddening.

Sure why I am surprised when in Sweden they tried to make it illegal for men to pee standing up a few years back:

https://www.thelocal.se/20120611/41358

A country that has a Mansplaining hotline:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/world/europe/mansplaining-hotline-swedish-union.html

I think its more of a case of politicians getting used to the new media, it basically gives a small group a disproportionate voice. The government start hearing noise and make stupid decisions on the back of it.

Its pretty much why we have trump in office or the UK leaving the EU, everyday people arent as engaged with this new media as certain groups.

Big question is where is the end game on this one, if you cannot win through peaceful means because your not seen as a "minority" or oppressed group what options are you left with?

Sleepy

py2006 wrote: »

Modern day feminism is not something to aspire to.

Yep. I honestly think I'd be less concerned if my daughter chose not to pursue 3rd level education than if she wanted to waste 3 years of her life on a degree in Sociology and "Gender Studies".

Panthro

maybe

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4668228/Two-women-jailed-sickening-torture-internet-date.html

Nearly killed a vulnerable man?
That'll be 28months in prison.

No where near good enough

um7y1h83ge06nx

Sweden to hold 'man-free' music festival - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40504452

One way of looking at it is that at least all the crazies will be in a field somewhere out of the way :-)

silverharp

Darren Incalculable AcrossL wrote: »

Sweden to hold 'man-free' music festival - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40504452

One way of looking at it is that at least all the crazies will be in a field somewhere out of the way :-)

I wonder who will build the stage, lighting etc? :pac:

Outlaw Pete

Panthro wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4668228/Two-women-jailed-sickening-torture-internet-date.html

Nearly killed a vulnerable man?
That'll be 28months in prison.

No where near good enough

Reminds me of this case where the three women involved all got suspended sentences.

cantdecide

Sleepy wrote: »

Yep. I honestly think I'd be less concerned if my daughter chose not to pursue 3rd level education than if she wanted to waste 3 years of her life on a degree in Sociology and "Gender Studies".

Well, the incumbent feminist establishment lobby has been doing much to ensure that your daughter is more likely to attend college than your son. At least if she does a sociology degree she can convert to a primary teaching degree and help teach young boys that they're worth less applause than girls for the same or greater effort and they're full of disgusting stuff like testosterone which explains their bad behaviour... and the circle completes itself from there.

Sleepy

silverharp wrote: »

I wonder who will build the stage, lighting etc? :pac:

Nevermind that: can you even put together a full festival line-up of female only acts?

I'm sure it's possible if you drudge the bottom of the barrell talent wise to pad out the line-up but even if you book the big solo female artists (Annie Lennox, Florence & The Machine, Lana Del Rey, Lady Ga Ga, Beyoncé, Lorde, Adele etc.) they're likely to have men in their backing bands? Maybe it'd be possible to get them female session musicians to sub in for the weekend but then, would you get great performances? Would there even be enough top class female drummers for hire to go around or would the same few women end up playing with half the line-up?

My suspicion is that any festival that was 100% female, wouldn't be worth attending.