Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

Pawwed Rig

Defunkd wrote: »

Her Right to use the drill is more important than her ability to use it.

When you think that The Life of Brian was considered absurd at the time

Defunkd

SlowBlowin wrote: »

I experienced a fanatical feminist recently, and at the same time a weak and victimised male.

No, you encountered a strong, confident, self-posessed woman who speaks up for herself and you only refer to her as "a fanatical feminist" because she didn't conform to your stereotype of what a housewife should be.
On the other hand, if she was a b1tch, it was probably because a male figure mistreated her in her early life and she should be shown compassion, empathy and understanding. It's not her fault.

Kidchameleon

Defunkd wrote: »

It's not her fault.

This is what feminists get wrong all the time. It is her fault. She is an adult and acted like a child. It is how the world of men and the world of women differ fundamentally. Men take responsibility while women pass it on.

py2006

SlowBlowin wrote: »

The man remained completely silent throughout, he looked subdued, depressed and sad.

I've encountered this a similar on several occasions. Its actually quite sad.

There are plenty of men with very controlling and manipulative wives/girlfriends. Their confidence destroyed and probably totally unaware of the situation they are in.

This is why it angers me and others on here that all these campaigns about domestic violence, abuse and controlling etc pander to the feminist (il)logic that only women can be victims and men are the perpetrators.

I knew a guy who used to a be a really outgoing guy and very sociable and popular. I saw him a few years later looking dreadfully subdued following his wife around like a zombie in a shopping centre while she ranted at him.

Kidchameleon

py2006 wrote: »

This is why it angers me and others on here that all these campaigns about domestic violence, abuse and controlling etc pander to the feminist (il)logic that only women can be victims and men are the perpetrators.

Female violence is psychological while male violence is physical. The former is far more prevalent because it leaves no physical scars and is not punishable by law.

py2006

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Female violence is psychological while male violence is physical. The former is far more prevalent because it leaves no physical scars and is not punishable by law.

I'm not so sure. I don't think either is always gender specific.

Kidchameleon

py2006 wrote: »

I'm not so sure. I don't think either is always gender specific.

There are always exceptions but in general, women are physically weaker than men so must rely on bullying tactics far more.

iptba

Kidchameleon wrote: »

There are always exceptions but in general, women are physically weaker than men so must rely on bullying tactics far more.

I think most men would be reluctant to use their strength on their female partners so I don’t think it necessarily follows like this.

py2006

Kidchameleon wrote: »

There are always exceptions but in general, women are physically weaker than men so must rely on bullying tactics far more.

That doesn't mean they don't hit out or indeed use something to hit with.

I remember reading something on the difference between men and women when it comes to accountability for their own violence (or words to that effect). Basically men know that if the lash out at another man they are fully aware and expecting the violence to be reciprocated. Whereas women generally don't and therefore lash out knowing (generally) there won't be any violent return (from men).

It's not just lashing out. The only fights I've ever been in have been getting randomly jumped or when a girl I was with started something with other people. Women get bailed out a lot more than men do and don't seem to realise it or appreciate it.

gizmo555

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Female violence is psychological while male violence is physical. The former is far more prevalent because it leaves no physical scars and is not punishable by law.

It's going to be:

Psychological or emotional abuse to be made legal offence

ligerdub

gizmo555 wrote: »

It's going to be:

Psychological or emotional abuse to be made legal offence

And who is being branded as the typical victim of such abuse? Women

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2019/0303/1033925-claire-byrne-clodagh-hawe/

I'm not suggesting that the tragedy and cruel acts committed on Clodagh (Hawe, I assume she went by that surname) and her children are unrelated to this particular issue. However, I think it's a bit disingenuous of RTE and other media outlets to suggest that coercive control is a womens rights issue and tie this story to it.

It shouldn't be held up as one of the many tools, along with physical abuse, used by a male domestic abuser on a female victim. Although that is true, it shouldn't be gendered.

Defunkd

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Female violence is psychological while male violence is physical. The former is far more prevalent because it leaves no physical scars and is not punishable by law.

Females are as capable of physical violence as males. Manipulation, verbal attacks and witholding of certain 'services' until the desired change in behaviour is adopted might be the more frequently used tools of the female species but we all have the same capacity for good/bad and men aren't more prone to violence.

A lot of women would love to beat the sheet out of some few people but just don't consider themselves to have the ability.

iptba

gizmo555 wrote: »

It's going to be:

Psychological or emotional abuse to be made legal offence

I posted a piece on this elsewhere on January 10:

Drivetime on RTE Radio 1 today had a piece on domestic violence and the new Irish law on coercive control where non-violent behaviour is also covered.

It can be heard here at https://rte.ie/r.html?rii=b9_10982839_83_10-01-2019_

The relevant bit starts at 35:22

The interviewees were Davina James-Hanman, a UK independent consultant specialising in domestic and sexual violence, and Margaret Martyn, director of Women's Aid

It wouldn't be much of a surprise that the woman from Women's Aid only talked about female victims.
However, the other woman is an independent consultant who trains police forces in the UK.
She only talked about female victims until the interviewer asked about whether men's rights groups were commenting on the law in the UK or whether men could be victims. She said something to the fact that it was almost impossible for men to be victims because of the general sexism in society and the power that men have. She doesn't all sound like the sort of person who should be teaching police forces about the law. I see on Twitter she describes herself as a feminist, which is not very surprising given how she talked.

She talked about how it can be useful to ask the alleged victim about the relationship. If there was a whirlwind romance, she said something to the effect that this circumstantial evidence of a relationship where there was coercive control. Similarly if the man had showered the woman with gifts. I am very uncomfortable with any suggestion that such behaviour should be used in a criminal investigation (it is another thing if people want to warn women to be wary of such relationships, but that wasn't the context).

I remember hearing a good while back that Women's Aid or similar group were educating gardai about domestic violence. I wonder what the current situation is. I could easily see that training could be biased.
At the start of the interview, a Garda Representative was complaining that they want more training for the new laws.

silverharp

dont be white and male in the uk, no mention about the disparity in the opposite direction in university

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2019/mar/02/apprenticeships-should-be-used-to-improve-equality?CMP

Unfair share of trainee places is given to white boys, warns report

iptba

silverharp wrote: »

dont be white and male in the uk, no mention about the disparity in the opposite direction in university

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-education-network/2019/mar/02/apprenticeships-should-be-used-to-improve-equality?CMP

In England, women made up only 5% of people starting apprenticeship in construction, planning and the built environment. In contrast, women were over-represented in apprenticeships in poorly paid sectors, such as hairdressing and early-years care. They made up 94% of all apprenticeship starts in child development and wellbeing in England last year.

The article makes no reference to any data about applications. These figures could simply represent applicants' choices, rather than discrimination per se. And yet they call for positive discrimination measures to help women, though no mention is made of any possible need for positive discrimination from males in fields where there is a skew in the opposite direction.

silverharp

I saw this headline bouncing around twitter

https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1102620516131561472

tritium

silverharp wrote: »

I saw this headline bouncing around twitter

https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1102620516131561472

Unsurprisingly parts of the internet lost its **** when they saw this.

Not because google should be applauded for a logical data based approach and taking steps to address issues identified, regardless of gender affected (not to say google hasn’t other issues, god knows it has)

No, the issue was apparently they shouldn’t have addressed this, or were missing some nebulous systemic bias that was the “real” issue- grumble grumble patriarchy.

Doesn’t take much to see peoples true colors I guess

gizmo555

And, as it happens, these concerns were raised to the Oireachtas Justice Committee by two women experts on the topics.

Women in some family law cases have an "unfair" advantage as they can get legal aid while their former partners cannot, an Oireachtas committee has heard. TDs and senators were told of "a specific inequity" towards certain fathers due to qualifying criteria for civil legal aid.

The Oireachtas Justice Committee also heard evidence of an "imbalance in parental rights" with the courts failing to grant fathers enough access to their children

Dr Carol Coulter, director of the Child Care Law Reporting Project, said she came across cases where a working father on a modest wage was above the means threshold for legal aid, while his wife, if a mother, would typically not be working or working part-time, and would fall under the threshold.

"Therefore, when the marriage broke down she would be eligible for legal aid and he would not, giving rise to an inequality of arms in any kind of legal proceedings. It is clearly unfair," she said.

Dr Coulter said a solution would be to remove or significantly increase the means threshold, while asking for a means-related contribution from litigants.

The committee heard another serious issue having an impact on fathers was access to their children following a split.

Director of Arc Mediation, Dr Róisín O'Shea, who has researched the issue, said the "default" access order given by the courts to the parent not living with the children was every second weekend and one night during the week. In 97pc of cases the non-resident parent is the father.

Dr O'Shea discovered these sort of orders originated from expert reports in cases where there was a welfare issue raised in relation to a child.

"The every second weekend and one night during the week was meant to be the least amount of time a non-resident parent had with their child, not the norm," she said.

"What has happened is that all of our courts now order that as the norm. That is impacting on fathers and that is a very serious issue."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/women-are-getting-an-unfair-advantage-in-some-family-law-cases-37887950.html

Calhoun

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/men-have-teenyweeny-interest-in-gender-equality-says-minister-37891230.html

How they let this idiot in government I don't know, he is literally the worst representative for strong women and cannot even understand why men would not support positive discrimination.

The J Stands for Jay

Calhoun wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/men-have-teenyweeny-interest-in-gender-equality-says-minister-37891230.html

How they let this idiot in government I don't know, he is literally the worst representative for strong women and cannot even understand why men would not support positive discrimination.

Men don't go to women only meetings they're not welcome at = men are bad?

Women tell her that made up women only jobs are patronising = patriarchy?

gizmo555

It was claimed when Mitchell O'Connor was demoted from a full cabinet position to a minister of state role that this was an example of gender inequality. No doubt this influences her obsession on this matter. If it's accepted that there should be women-only professorial posts, why not in cabinet too?

For what it's worth, at present 36% of women Fine Gael TDs have a cabinet post, while only 26% of their male colleagues do. This doesn't seem discriminatory against women to me.

deaddonkey15

Calhoun wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/men-have-teenyweeny-interest-in-gender-equality-says-minister-37891230.html

How they let this idiot in government I don't know, he is literally the worst representative for strong women and cannot even understand why men would not support positive discrimination.

Imagine if a male minister made a hand gesture reference to breast size in an effort to quantify something. Calls for resignation and an apology in the Dail at the very least.

freshpopcorn

Calhoun

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

Imagine if a male minister made a hand gesture reference to breast size in an effort to quantify something. Calls for resignation and an apology in the Dail at the very least.

She knows that she is irrelevant and that she is at risk, look at FG and all the strong women it has in the party. She is a lame duck so needs shock click bait articles to keep relevant.

Panthro

maybe

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6796443/Pictured-Female-nursery-school-manager-44-watched-child-rape-videos.html

It's a woman so no need to lock her up.
Ffs. And she a manager in a nursery.

The Specialist

What a vile piece of **** this one is. Interesting way to view the world though - maybe us men should take some guidance from her when it comes to responding to the female issues we keep hearing it's on us to solve? Not our ****in problem, sort it out yourselves!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6795329/Feminist-campaigner-started-SaggyBoobsMatter-campaign-sparks-furious-debate-online-after.html

Chidera Eggerue, known by her pen name The Slumflower, faced backlash from 74,000 Twitter followers after she wrote that 'male suicide is not my concern' amid a series of tweets dismissing the need to help men with mental health issues.

During the tirade, Ms Eggerue,24, from Peckham in south London, wrote: 'I don't have time to think about the reasons why the system you created at my expense to benefit you is now choking you. If men are committing suicide because they can't cry, how's it my concern?

Calhoun

The Specialist wrote: »

What a vile piece of **** this one is. Interesting way to view the world though - maybe us men should take some guidance from her when it comes to responding to the female issues we keep hearing it's on us to solve? Not our ****in problem, sort it out yourselves!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-6795329/Feminist-campaigner-started-SaggyBoobsMatter-campaign-sparks-furious-debate-online-after.html

Just confirms what i already know and why i don't like feminists as they are not about equality. At least with this one she was honest about her feelings, quite frankly we need more like her because we need to highlight the absurd situation.

mzungu

Calhoun wrote: »

Just confirms what i already know and why i don't like feminists as they are not about equality. At least with this one she was honest about her feelings, quite frankly we need more like her because we need to highlight the absurd situation.

I think you are being unfair. She is one person. This same eejit also said on Twitter that: “If he says he loves you, and you are still paying your own bills, you settled for a roommate.” and this doozy: “Men shouldn’t open their useless mouths to invite me anywhere if they are not arranging my (luxe) travel and covering my Michelin star meal, plus some money (£1k) in a brown envelope to thank me for donating my time to them that I could have spent at home relaxing.”

I should add that feminists have been rightly calling her out on her bullcrap.

Defunkd

Currently on 2 news websitrs about a digital consent App causing 'outrage' because it seeks only to prove that men had consent before sex but doesn't do anything to protect women.

It must be pointed out that the 'outrage' is coming from the SU's gender-something officer and she called someone with a doctorate "uneducated"...

I think it's a good idea. A bit unromantic but a modern reality.

Calhoun

mzungu wrote: »

I think you are being unfair. She is one person. This same eejit also said on Twitter that: “If he says he loves you, and you are still paying your own bills, you settled for a roommate.” and this doozy: “Men shouldn’t open their useless mouths to invite me anywhere if they are not arranging my (luxe) travel and covering my Michelin star meal, plus some money (£1k) in a brown envelope to thank me for donating my time to them that I could have spent at home relaxing.”

I should add that feminists have been rightly calling her out on her bullcrap.

She is one person but she would not be alone in the state of current feminism. I feel in this case the mask just slipped a bit more than it should have, which is why the others are appalled.

Calhoun

Defunkd wrote: »

Currently on 2 news websitrs about a digital consent App causing 'outrage' because it seeks only to prove that men had consent before sex but doesn't do anything to protect women.

It must be pointed out that the 'outrage' is coming from the SU's gender-something officer and she called someone with a doctorate "uneducated"...

I think it's a good idea. A bit unromantic but a modern reality.

If i was on the dating scene this would be something i would use. Too many feminists of late looking to redefine what rape is.

iptba

Defunkd wrote: »

Currently on 2 news websitrs about a digital consent App causing 'outrage' because it seeks only to prove that men had consent before sex but doesn't do anything to protect women.

It must be pointed out that the 'outrage' is coming from the SU's gender-something officer and she called someone with a doctorate "uneducated"...

I think it's a good idea. A bit unromantic but a modern reality.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ucd-apology-4537893-Mar2019/
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/apology-issued-after-outrage-over-email-sent-to-ucd-students-about-consent-app-proposal-37904960.html

Calhoun

Lol funny stuff, most of the responses from the feminist are that they want the power if they feel it was rape to call it as such.

Panthro

maybe

When would consent begin?
"here, can you swipe right to say you've consented before I shift ya on this packed dance floor."

Ideas daft.

Calhoun

It was a digital signature so I doubt it was just swipe right .

The idea is so ridiculous certain TV programs use consent forms when their "stars" are out on the town.

I would also assume it was for a couple who wanted to go further than a fumble on the dance floor.

gizmo555

gizmo555 wrote: »

What about the ordinary citizen, who might have no ambition to stand for election, but objects to the state coercing political parties in this way, using taxpayers' money?

Personally, I find it very difficult to accept the court's position that the plaintiff in this case had no standing.

Supreme Court sets aside nonsensical High Court ruling that Brian Mohan had no standing to challenge the law on linking candidate gender quotas to state funding of political parties. Case goes back to the High Court for a full hearing.

Fianna Fail activist Brian Mohan has won his Supreme Court case over a challenge to a law linking State funding of political parties to gender quota targets for general election candidates.

The case centred on his entitlement or standing to bring such a challenge.

The High Court and Court of Appeal found Mr Mohan did not have the necessary legal standing to challenge the legislation.

They found he was not directly affected by the legislation, his own party had not challenged it, and he wanted to rely on the right of any political party to challenge the legislation.

The Supreme Court decided this issue raised a matter of "general public importance".

In the judgment delivered this morning, Mr Justice Donal O'Donnell said the court considered that Mr Mohan had standing to bring the case.

He said that the indirect nature of the impact on Mr Mohan of the legislation was not a basis for denying him standing.

The court found that Fianna Fail or any other party could challenge the legislation and had not done so.

But the fact that one entity had legal standing did not necessarily lead to the conclusion that someone else did not.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2019/0321/1037723-brian-mohan/

Calhoun

Good start i hope we see more challenges to stupid discriminatory practices.

Leo Fatkar

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Lets not forget guys, this thread is meant to be sexism that you've personally experienced.

Calhoun

That changed a while back and was more general and personal stuff. I would ping one of the mods though if there is an issue.

freshpopcorn

Leo Fatkar wrote: »

Lets not forget guys, this thread is meant to be sexism that you've personally experienced.

Well most men personally experience some of the rubbish this women comes out with!

givyjoe

Leo Fatkar wrote: »

Lets not forget guys, this thread is meant to be sexism that you've personally experienced.

Eh, no it isn't.. did you even check the thread title before you posted??

citytillidie

Not a real peep about Amber Heard for husband beating

Calhoun

citytillidie wrote: »

Not a real peep about Amber Heard for husband beating

That case is insane and will be interesting to see how it goes.

Depp was just another casualty of the me too movement and the prevailing bull**** of guilty until proven innocent.

iptba

(Minor point)
This ad has appeared in my Twitter timeline a number of times.
https://twitter.com/thetimesie/status/1103628792915021824?s=11

It's great being a man and being able to laze around all day :rolleyes:

iptba

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/specialreports/the-high-cost-of-just-staying-alive-913019.html

John has been screened and deemed appropriate to try it. The problem is that the drug is only available through the HSE for those who suffer from cervical cancer.

That dispensation came after some Trojan lobbying by Vicky Phelan. But what of people like John?

[..]

According to the HSE, the drug company Merc Sharp Dome (MSD) has applied for reimbursement of Pembro for small cell lung cancer and bladder cancer and “these applications are being considered in line with agreed procedures and the reimbursement process is ongoing”.

The only exception to the process of determining what cancers should qualify is cervical cancer.

“Pembrolizumab is available for use in the treatment of cervical cancer outside this process as directed by Government,” the HSE stated in response to queries from the Irish Examiner.

tritium

This is an interesting one, not so much a massive sexism issue as part of the acceptable “have a dig at men” that the bbc are getting so good at

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20190319-the-matrixs-male-power-fantasy-has-dated-badly


It’s not so much that the premise is flawed as how narrow it is. Essentially their argument reduces to (I) Neo is a Mary Sue and (ii). White male being amazing is wrong. The problem of course is their criticisms of the movie are largely more valid for a sub genre of female lead action movies. Take the current Star Wars series, where the female hero is just landed on us as a ready to go bad-ass. The piece essentially reduces itself to a smug “don’t we know better now” effort from someone who hasn’t figured out yet how dated their own world view is likely to be in a decade or two.

ancapailldorcha

maybe

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Well most men personally experience some of the rubbish this women comes out with!

Seems Louise O'Neill has just squeezed another book out. Seen an ad on the tube today.

The Specialist

tritium wrote: »

This is an interesting one, not so much a massive sexism issue as part of the acceptable “have a dig at men” that the bbc are getting so good at

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20190319-the-matrixs-male-power-fantasy-has-dated-badly

Quote from the article:

And, in general, Anderson/Neo is one of those uninspiring heroes who do next to nothing to earn their hero status. He becomes an unbeatable martial artist not by training for years, but by being plugged into a teaching program for a few hours. And he becomes omnipotent in the Matrix not because he is particularly brave, noble or clever, but because, as Morpheus says, he is willing “to believe”

Wonder what this clown has to say about Captain Marvel then if he looks at that through the same lense? Probably nothing because she's female so the same standards don't apply.

Give me The Matrix any day of the week over whatever woke bull**** this guy is feeding on. There's only one thing worse than a rabid feminist and that's a self loathing male feminist.

Calhoun

The Specialist wrote: »

Give me The Matrix any day of the week over whatever woke bull**** this guy is feeding on. There's only one thing worse than a rabid feminist and that's a self loathing male feminist.

The brilliant thing is most male feminists are about 2-3 rejections away from turning incel.

I wonder if 20-30 years down the line we will have lonely old male feminist who regret consuming the kool-aid.

I watched a youtube video recently about a guy tweeting that he ruined his own date because his date (female) wasn't a big enough feminist for him.