Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

The Specialist

Calhoun wrote: »

The brilliant thing is most male feminists are about 2-3 rejections away from turning incel.

I wonder if 20-30 years down the line we will have lonely old male feminist who regret consuming the kool-aid.

I watched a youtube video recently about a guy tweeting that he ruined his own date because his date (female) wasn't a big enough feminist for him.

Can’t stand them in any shape or form, women aren’t falling over themselves because some white knight has emasculated himself to “fight the cause”. Pathetic creatures and that is putting it mildly.

Reviews and Books Galore

"I wonder if 20-30 years down the line we will have lonely old male feminist who regret consuming the kool-aid_"

Joss whedon

tritium

The Specialist wrote: »

Quote from the article:



Wonder what this clown has to say about Captain Marvel then if he looks at that through the same lense? Probably nothing because she's female so the same standards don't apply.

Give me The Matrix any day of the week over whatever woke bull**** this guy is feeding on. There's only one thing worse than a rabid feminist and that's a self loathing male feminist.

Well of course the same standards wouldn’t apply. This is his review of the Force Awakens

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20151216-film-review-star-wars-the-force-awakens-gets-four-stars

Apparently one dimensional messiah figures are only a problem when they’re white males..

What an absolute clown

backspin.

I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed. Its astonishing the change in personnel on news and current affairs programs today compared to 10 or 20 years ago. I have been watching a lot of this brexit stuff lately and i notice far far more women than men newsreaders, reporters, expert contributors, panels etc. It has to be deliberate. It doesn't look much like equality to me.

Calhoun

In RTE it is deliberate, they have had a diversity program in place for a while.

The J Stands for Jay

tritium wrote: »

This is an interesting one, not so much a massive sexism issue as part of the acceptable “have a dig at men” that the bbc are getting so good at

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20190319-the-matrixs-male-power-fantasy-has-dated-badly


It’s not so much that the premise is flawed as how narrow it is. Essentially their argument reduces to (I) Neo is a Mary Sue and (ii). White male being amazing is wrong. The problem of course is their criticisms of the movie are largely more valid for a sub genre of female lead action movies. Take the current Star Wars series, where the female hero is just landed on us as a ready to go bad-ass. The piece essentially reduces itself to a smug “don’t we know better now” effort from someone who hasn’t figured out yet how dated their own world view is likely to be in a decade or two.

The article has been altered. Looks like someone forgot to check their privilege and remember intersectionality:

"This article has been amended to remove a line referring to the character Neo as a ‘white male saviour’. The actor Keanu Reeves has mixed-race ancestry. "

citytillidie

Female rapper admits to drugging and robbing men and people are defending her

Calhoun

citytillidie wrote: »

Female rapper admits to drugging and robbing men and people are defending her

Hold on there, Liam Neeson a white man said he was angry with a black person and was going to do damage but was calmed down. That's the real news story because white male supremacy is a terrible thing.

This female rapper was just an empowered down on her luck woman of color.

iptba

citytillidie wrote: »

Female rapper admits to drugging and robbing men and people are defending her

Who is this?

The J Stands for Jay

iptba wrote: »

Who is this?

Cardi B?

iptba

McGaggs wrote: »

Cardi B?

Thanks. Sounds like it is her:
https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/3/27/18284220/cardi-b-drug-rob-controversy-scandal

H3llR4iser

So...something weird I experienced last Friday evening; Puzzling / curious, probably, more than anything else.

So, I was walking back home; Sometimes, if the weather is good or I happen to miss the Malahide train, I just step off the DART at Howth Junction and walk the 15-odd minutes way home. It goes through a residential estate, a small park/garden, then my own residential area of which I am at the very end.

It wasn't completely dark yet, around 7.15-7.30pm, I was walking listening to music, not really paying much attention to the surroundings. As I entered the little park between estates there were two smallish kids, both girls probably less than 10 years old, walking some ~20 metres ahead of me - I didn't really pay much attention to them, until one of them turns around, looks at me, pushes her friend along and they literally run away.

They went quite a bit of way ahead, past a junction in the path, then stopped staring at me until they realized I was turning the other direction. On the moment I thought "silly children shenanigans" but...thinking about it later on, it's just as likely that somebody in school or at home has basically taught them to be scared of guys. I don't know, maybe they would've done the same even if it was a woman walking there, but in this day and age I can't shake the feeling. It's all good that "kids be safe" and "don't approach strangers", but this was a bit much.

I can't help thinking that chances are...they went home to tell a tale of a "scary man" going after them; you can't discount the possibility, and can just be sure they'd be taken seriously nowadays. Just putting this here more as a reflection than anything else, really...just makes you think how easy it is, in this context, to literally walk into situations that can be quite dangerous - stay alert, guys.

SlowBlowin

H3llR4iser wrote: »

So...something weird I experienced last Friday evening; Puzzling / curious, probably, more than anything else.

So, I was walking back home; Sometimes, if the weather is good or I happen to miss the Malahide train, I just step off the DART at Howth Junction and walk the 15-odd minutes way home. It goes through a residential estate, a small park/garden, then my own residential area of which I am at the very end.

It wasn't completely dark yet, around 7.15-7.30pm, I was walking listening to music, not really paying much attention to the surroundings. As I entered the little park between estates there were two smallish kids, both girls probably less than 10 years old, walking some ~20 metres ahead of me - I didn't really pay much attention to them, until one of them turns around, looks at me, pushes her friend along and they literally run away.

They went quite a bit of way ahead, past a junction in the path, then stopped staring at me until they realized I was turning the other direction. On the moment I thought "silly children shenanigans" but...thinking about it later on, it's just as likely that somebody in school or at home has basically taught them to be scared of guys. I don't know, maybe they would've done the same even if it was a woman walking there, but in this day and age I can't shake the feeling. It's all good that "kids be safe" and "don't approach strangers", but this was a bit much.

I can't help thinking that chances are...they went home to tell a tale of a "scary man" going after them; you can't discount the possibility, and can just be sure they'd be taken seriously nowadays. Just putting this here more as a reflection than anything else, really...just makes you think how easy it is, in this context, to literally walk into situations that can be quite dangerous - stay alert, guys.

Were you wearing your hellraizor mask ?

Padraig Mor

H3llR4iser wrote: »

So...something weird I experienced last Friday evening; Puzzling / curious, probably, more than anything else.

So, I was walking back home; Sometimes, if the weather is good or I happen to miss the Malahide train, I just step off the DART at Howth Junction and walk the 15-odd minutes way home. It goes through a residential estate, a small park/garden, then my own residential area of which I am at the very end.

It wasn't completely dark yet, around 7.15-7.30pm, I was walking listening to music, not really paying much attention to the surroundings. As I entered the little park between estates there were two smallish kids, both girls probably less than 10 years old, walking some ~20 metres ahead of me - I didn't really pay much attention to them, until one of them turns around, looks at me, pushes her friend along and they literally run away.

They went quite a bit of way ahead, past a junction in the path, then stopped staring at me until they realized I was turning the other direction. On the moment I thought "silly children shenanigans" but...thinking about it later on, it's just as likely that somebody in school or at home has basically taught them to be scared of guys. I don't know, maybe they would've done the same even if it was a woman walking there, but in this day and age I can't shake the feeling. It's all good that "kids be safe" and "don't approach strangers", but this was a bit much.

I can't help thinking that chances are...they went home to tell a tale of a "scary man" going after them; you can't discount the possibility, and can just be sure they'd be taken seriously nowadays. Just putting this here more as a reflection than anything else, really...just makes you think how easy it is, in this context, to literally walk into situations that can be quite dangerous - stay alert, guys.

Reminds me of when I spent some time working in Reading in the UK 20 years ago. I had a ~2 mile walk to work, including a single long straight road of approx a mile (main route through a residential area). One morning I happened to walk down that road several paces behind a young-ish girl - 13/14/15 kinda age IIRC. After a while I noticed that she started making occasional furtive glances behind her looking increasingly worried. Eventually she turned into a house (I got the impression it was just at random) and I noticed she was crying as I went past. Way to make a poor guy going to work feel like a pedo!

The J Stands for Jay

In today's Indo, the director of Rape Crisis Network Ireland says "We really need to say that young boys can also be a danger to you girls..." "It has shifted that focus from... ...that dirty old man kind of image we have."

Lovely.

gizmo555

McGaggs wrote: »

In today's Indo, the director of Rape Crisis Network Ireland says "We really need to say that young boys can also be a danger to you girls..." "It has shifted that focus from... ...that dirty old man kind of image we have."

Lovely.

And this is how this kind of attitude can end up:

The parents of a seven-year-old boy against whom an unfounded allegation of sex abuse was made claim that the way the school principal over-reacted, and Tusla’s absolute refusal to delete the file, has ‘destroyed’ their lives, writes Michael Clifford.

One day in 2017, two seven-year-old children had a typically innocent encounter in a school playground. The ultimate outcome of the incident, which lasted for about a second, has been trauma for one of the families, serious questions around training for school principals, and whether or not it is correct that a record be kept on a child wrongly accused of “sexual abuse”.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/specialreports/tusla-playing-a-dangerous-game-with-childrens-lives-914276.html

freshpopcorn

A lady who was surprised that I could cook.

Calhoun

freshpopcorn wrote: »

A lady who was surprised that I could cook.

You better be able to pop some mighty fine corn or i am disappointed in that name.

Shemale

Perifect wrote: »

It's the truth! Anger ties people up and is very unhealthy.

Tell the "feminists"

Shemale

Calhoun wrote: »

I watched a youtube video recently about a guy tweeting that he ruined his own date because his date (female) wasn't a big enough feminist for him.

So he tweeted that he, as a man, deliberately ruined a womans night because he aligns with feminism.

Calhoun

Shemale wrote: »

So he tweeted that he, as a man, deliberately ruined a womans night because he aligns with feminism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxNqB74O-f0

...Ghost...

I was browsing the jobs market when I came across THIS.

The drive to get women into STEM is not just OTT, it is now discriminating against men.

If you don't want to read the linked content, the short story is that McAfee has a female only scholarship for leaving cert students. I looked, there was no male scholarships available. At the end of the post, they say they prohibit discrimination based on age, race, religion, gender etc etc. How is this scholarship not discrimination?

I emailed them about their post and sought clarification on their discrimination policy and have yet receive a reply.

py2006

Its amazing how they can get away with that.

hots

...Ghost... wrote: »

I was browsing the jobs market when I came across THIS.

The drive to get women into STEM is not just OTT, it is now discriminating against men.

If you don't want to read the linked content, the short story is that McAfee has a female only scholarship for leaving cert students. I looked, there was no male scholarships available. At the end of the post, they say they prohibit discrimination based on age, race, religion, gender etc etc. How is this scholarship not discrimination?

I emailed them about their post and sought clarification on their discrimination policy and have yet receive a reply.

There are loads of examples of positive discrimination unfortunately. They should be removing all barriers to entry not creating artificial ones to hamstring men.

...Ghost...

...Ghost... wrote: »

I was browsing the jobs market when I came across THIS.

The drive to get women into STEM is not just OTT, it is now discriminating against men.

If you don't want to read the linked content, the short story is that McAfee has a female only scholarship for leaving cert students. I looked, there was no male scholarships available. At the end of the post, they say they prohibit discrimination based on age, race, religion, gender etc etc. How is this scholarship not discrimination?

I emailed them about their post and sought clarification on their discrimination policy and have yet receive a reply.

McKesson have something similar

http://cs.cit.ie/mckesson-scholarship

lemansky

Intel have a female only scholarship too, from memory.

Reviews and Books Galore

McGaggs wrote: »

In today's Indo, the director of Rape Crisis Network Ireland says "We really need to say that young boys can also be a danger to you girls..." "It has shifted that focus from... ...that dirty old man kind of image we have."

Lovely.

Yes, it is very healthy to make young girls even more afraid of being violently attacked.

I lived in a country where the local women didn't really like feminism. They saw it as condescending, silly or just not really relevant. Yet, you would see women going out for runs at every hour of the night. They were surprised when I asked if they felt nervous coming home at 3 or 4 am, or going to a strangers house.

You know, surprisingly, portraying all men as potential attackers may not be healthy for women's feeling of personal safety :P

terryduff12

Anyone listening to the joe duffy show last few days about Pregnant women and the issues they have had with nurses and midwifes in hospitals, Doesn't paint women in a very good light since the majority of the staff are women.

givyjoe

terryduff12 wrote: »

Anyone listening to the joe duffy show last few days about Pregnant women and the issues they have had with nurses and midwifes in hospitals, Doesn't paint women in a very good light since the majority of the staff are women.

Care to elaborate?

Silentcorner

Its about to get a lot worse...the state is putting pressure on the private sector to release their "gender pay gap"...interestingly, nothing about the "hours worked gender gap"...this pressure will lead to fines, mark my words.

Private sector companies will soon be given targets to get women into senior positions in private companies....this is happening, the hard left element of feminism is starting to breach into private companies....this is socialism!!

Will the state compensate the owners of private companies that reach those targets if they go out of business? Will the f##k!!!

You can have equality or you can have the free market economy but you cannot have both!

deaddonkey15

...Ghost... wrote: »

I was browsing the jobs market when I came across THIS.

The drive to get women into STEM is not just OTT, it is now discriminating against men.

If you don't want to read the linked content, the short story is that McAfee has a female only scholarship for leaving cert students. I looked, there was no male scholarships available. At the end of the post, they say they prohibit discrimination based on age, race, religion, gender etc etc. How is this scholarship not discrimination?

I emailed them about their post and sought clarification on their discrimination policy and have yet receive a reply.

easyJet have been doing it for years for their pilot cadetship.

https://careers.easyjet.com/pilots/amy-johnson-initiative/

Sleepy

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I lived in a country where the local women didn't really like feminism. They saw it as condescending, silly or just not really relevant. Yet, you would see women going out for runs at every hour of the night. They were surprised when I asked if they felt nervous coming home at 3 or 4 am, or going to a strangers house.

What country was that?

terryduff12

givyjoe wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

Think my personal favourite quote was when a woman who had a miscarriage in the hospital and already had a bad experience with a nurse, another nurse came over the woman thought she was gonna console her but the nurse said life's a bitch and we all die so just get over it.

Calhoun

terryduff12 wrote: »

Think my personal favourite quote was when a woman who had a miscarriage in the hospital and already had a bad experience with a nurse, another nurse came over the woman thought she was gonna console her but the nurse said life's a bitch and we all die so just get over it.

You got to imagine though they have seen some fairly bad crap and over time it desensitizes them.

Not saying its an excuse but you have a very poorly managed health service in Ireland and we have it staffed all wrong so it can turn people bad.

Calhoun

Silentcorner wrote: »

Its about to get a lot worse...the state is putting pressure on the private sector to release their "gender pay gap"...interestingly, nothing about the "hours worked gender gap"...this pressure will lead to fines, mark my words.

Private sector companies will soon be given targets to get women into senior positions in private companies....this is happening, the hard left element of feminism is starting to breach into private companies....this is socialism!!

Will the state compensate the owners of private companies that reach those targets if they go out of business? Will the f##k!!!

You can have equality or you can have the free market economy but you cannot have both!

They are putting pressure on them from an optics perspective but they aren't about to go and kill the golden goose that is FDI. They aren't stupid, with all the brexit talk allot of this has gone quite.

The only thing most companies believe in is the green, so sure they will put in some token positions if they have to but when all you care about is making money diversity politics will just be another fad.

The Specialist

Silentcorner wrote: »

Its about to get a lot worse...the state is putting pressure on the private sector to release their "gender pay gap"...interestingly, nothing about the "hours worked gender gap"...this pressure will lead to fines, mark my words.

Private sector companies will soon be given targets to get women into senior positions in private companies....this is happening, the hard left element of feminism is starting to breach into private companies....this is socialism!!

Will the state compensate the owners of private companies that reach those targets if they go out of business? Will the f##k!!!

You can have equality or you can have the free market economy but you cannot have both!

Such utter bull**** - I get about 40k a year for a very stressful and busy job, while an “assistant “ to me earns 39.5. They do one daily task I assign to them per day and spend of the rest of their time (seemingly) in the smoking shed or canteen. Meanwhile I’m on client calls all day and investigating complicated issues for 500 quid
more.

Gender pay gap my bollix, **** outta that.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Silentcorner wrote: »

Its about to get a lot worse...the state is putting pressure on the private sector to release their "gender pay gap"...interestingly, nothing about the "hours worked gender gap"...this pressure will lead to fines, mark my words.

Private sector companies will soon be given targets to get women into senior positions in private companies....this is happening, the hard left element of feminism is starting to breach into private companies....this is socialism!!

Will the state compensate the owners of private companies that reach those targets if they go out of business? Will the f##k!!!

You can have equality or you can have the free market economy but you cannot have both!

True, competition and 'equality' don't go hand in hand.

TomSweeney

Have you seen the media are just focusing on the woman involved in the Black Hole picture ?
It was a massive team of individuals yet they focus on her alone.
Crazy, don't get me wrong, I'm sure she's top of her field, but you can see BBC/MSM are just really trying to push this woman in STEM story.

H3llR4iser

Silentcorner wrote: »

...
You can have equality or you can have the free market economy but you cannot have both!

You absolutely CAN have both - free market economy and equality of opportunities, not equality of outcomes...if A is better/more capable/more experienced than B at doing X, A should be paid more than B, regardless of what set of genitals are between their legs - or whatever they "identify" as.

In my own team, the highest paid person is the only woman in the team; We're talking IT or "STEM" if you wish.

I personally asked, insisted and obtained an above average salary increase for her this year; Not because I am some sort of "women's rights hero" but because she's the person with the widest array of relevant skills in the team, the most dependable / autonomous and I don't want to risk her leaving for a company that's willing to pay more.

This whole "gender pay gap" is going to be a royal clusterfcuk until somebody finally knocks a bit of sense into things; The most likely and logical outcome is that the alignment will happen downwards, rather than upwards: the men who are paid more due to experience, skills or working hours will see a reduction of income as the companies will claim they are "overpaid".

Funnily enough, this will essentially backfire towards plenty of women who'll suddenly find that their husband's company won't pay for his overtime anymore...putting more strain on her own salary. Karma.

silverharp

Sky were doing a piece on actors having to look buff these days, so this point would have been brought up before when the media only focused on “unobtainable” female beauty standards that it worked both ways so what's the problem?. However the tone I took from it was that the perspective was from “weedy” actor types that weren't happy. Personally I’d see an actor like Jason Stratham as inspirational that someone in their early 50’s can look at good for example. The irony was that they mentioned actors in the past like Cary Grant that “oozed masculinity” , yet isn’t that the very attitude that is being deemed toxic and privileged these days?

iptba

silverharp wrote: »

Sky were doing a piece on actors having to look buff these days, so this point would have been brought up before when the media only focused on “unobtainable” female beauty standards that it worked both ways so what's the problem?. However the tone I took from it was that the perspective was from “weedy” actor types that weren't happy. Personally I’d see an actor like Jason Stratham as inspirational that someone in their early 50’s can look at good for example. The irony was that they mentioned actors in the past like Cary Grant that “oozed masculinity” , yet isn’t that the very attitude that is being deemed toxic and privileged these days?

Just one example that doesn’t prove much but I recall seeing an interview with two female actors and one male actor from a movie who were all young enough and attractive/slim (i.e. not playing characters who weren’t good looking). They talked about some party but the male actor either couldn’t go or couldn’t indulge at all because of their 9(??)-month regime to bulk up and tone up for the part (the female actors brought this up). Suggested to me the very demanding standards being presented to men at least in this movie.

Calhoun

H3llR4iser wrote: »

This whole "gender pay gap" is going to be a royal clusterfcuk until somebody finally knocks a bit of sense into things; The most likely and logical outcome is that the alignment will happen downwards, rather than upwards: the men who are paid more due to experience, skills or working hours will see a reduction of income as the companies will claim they are "overpaid".

Funnily enough, this will essentially backfire towards plenty of women who'll suddenly find that their husband's company won't pay for his overtime anymore...putting more strain on her own salary. Karma.

It won't backfire because the woman have more strain on their salary, it will backfire because we no longer reward for effort. If i don't get rewarded adequately for extra work guess what happens? it just wont be done.

I actually see the net-net of crap like this being a rise in industrial relations/unionization.

Calhoun

TomSweeney wrote: »

Have you seen the media are just focusing on the woman involved in the Black Hole picture ?
It was a massive team of individuals yet they focus on her alone.
Crazy, don't get me wrong, I'm sure she's top of her field, but you can see BBC/MSM are just really trying to push this woman in STEM story.

Decent article https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/438617-white-male-scientist-slams-sexist-trolls-using-his-work-on-black ,which is a good counter balance to this and from what i have read she is not claiming to have done it alone.

Apparently there is allot of trolling against her which is pretty horrible to be fair.

TomSweeney

Calhoun wrote: »

Decent article https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/438617-white-male-scientist-slams-sexist-trolls-using-his-work-on-black ,which is a good counter balance to this and from what i have read she is not claiming to have done it alone.

Apparently there is allot of trolling against her which is pretty horrible to be fair.

No no, I am blaming the media here, she apparently has mentioned many times it was a team effort.

Calhoun

I think the whole thing is absurd, not having a go at you but the people on both sides online. We should be celebrating this discovery for what it is and not descending into the usual point scoring.

H3llR4iser

Calhoun wrote: »

It won't backfire because the woman have more strain on their salary, it will backfire because we no longer reward for effort. If i don't get rewarded adequately for extra work guess what happens? it just wont be done.

I actually see the net-net of crap like this being a rise in industrial relations/unionization.

You'de surprised how many people work the crazy hours even without the salary - I've never worked for a company that paid extra time, but there have always been plenty of people stayng 9-10 hours each day for whatever reason. Interestingly enough, they weren't even the ones who had a brilliant career path.

As for the backfiring, I meant exclusively in terms of a family setup. If one of the two "parents" income goes down, the pain is usually shared.

Calhoun wrote: »

Decent article https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/438617-white-male-scientist-slams-sexist-trolls-using-his-work-on-black ,which is a good counter balance to this and from what i have read she is not claiming to have done it alone.

Apparently there is allot of trolling against her which is pretty horrible to be fair.

TomSweeney wrote: »

No no, I am blaming the media here, she apparently has mentioned many times it was a team effort.

There is no doubt whatsoever that she is not and never has been trying to TAKE credit for a team effort; Even 'though, as an engineer, after reading that her role was to develop some of the imaging algorithms, I am inclined to think her contribution was absolutely CENTRAL to the success of the effort.

The issue here is that she is being overexposed compared to her colleagues and this is happening exclusively because she's a woman; Before this post, I didn't know the names of any of the 200+ scientist involved except for hers - because every single news outlet put her on top of the page with "the WOMAN who took a picture of a black hole" lines or some permutation of it, trying to cash in on the frankly absurdly endearing picture of Ms. Bouman's excitement at seeing the image for the first time. She is de facto being portrayed as the sole contributor to the research.

And yet again, anyone daring to say anything against this approach in reporting and fact distortion is immediately labelled as "sexist", a "troll" or my favourite: a "conservative".

Then of course there'll the 12-years olds (or the 40-years-olds with a 12-years-old brain) making "kitchen" or "sammich" jokes, but one would imagine those would be ignored by now.

...Ghost...

I had posted a couple pages back about a female only scholarship. I emailed the contact to seek clarification. I heard nothing for 8 days and emailed again, commenting that a failure to reply would lead me to seek answers elsewhere. I have pasted the emails below, snipping identifiable info. I think the response was weak and danced around the subject. What do you think?

The fact that there is a financial incentive open only to females is absolutely discrimination, regardless of how many male interns they say they have.

Email 1:

Dear SNIP,

I happened to come across the career jet listing for "Cork Women in Technology Scholarship" https://www.careerjet.ie/jobview/e546d4d42d225a4d539e6381303b9f3d.html . The criteria states that you must be a female student to apply. I was hoping you could clarify the gender requirements for the scholarship, because it is at odds with the McAfee anti-discrimination statement at the foot of the listing, which states:

"McAfee prohibits discrimination based on race, color, religion, GENDER, national origin, age, disability, veteran status, marital status, pregnancy, gender expression or identity, sexual orientation or any other legally protected status."

My bolding and caps above.

While I applaud efforts made to encourage females into STEM, I do not support discrimination against males to achieve this goal. Are males prohibited from applying for the scholarship, or are they simply not being told that they could apply?

I eagerly await your response.

Regards,

Ghost


Email 2:

Dear SNIP,

I emailed you 8 days ago to seek clarification on the "Cork Women in Technology Scholarship" and have had no response thus far. I wanted to reach out one more time to provide an opportunity for comment on what appears to be blatant discrimination based on Gender. In the event I receive no response over the next seven days, I will endeavour to have my question satisfied by contacting the HEA and the DoJE.

Regards,

Ghost


Response 7 days later.

Dear Mr Ghost,

We refer to your emails of 2 April and 10 April requesting information on one of our scholarship programmes. I hope this email provides the necessary clarification.

You have referred to the McAfee anti-discrimination statement which, in compliance with Irish law, prohibits discrimination on the basis of gender. We note that, like McAfee, you support encouraging females into STEM and furthermore you do not support discrimination. Please be assured that McAfee is committed to non-discrimination.

The criteria for applying for the scholarship are as set out in the official literature and it is open to female students only and subject to the other criteria as set out. Male students are not included in this particular scholarship programme as males are much more likely to take up the opportunities which we can offer in this area. The scholarship programme represents one of our efforts to positively promote STEM to females who are under represented. It does not restrict access of males to our business. Our internships are taken up predominantly by male students.

This initiative is not at odds with our anti-discrimination statement or our values, but rather positively promotes them.

If you have any further questions please let me know.

Kind regards,

SNIP

The Specialist

Fair play for chasing them up man, that response you got is utter bull**** though. Somebody there needs to go back to school and learn the definition of "contradiction" and "hypocrisy".

Wonder if a similar programme was offered to recruit Male teachers or male childcare professionals that completely excluded any entries by females. Is that "positive discrimination" too? I mean the same thinking applies if you take their line of "males are much more likely to take up the opportunities which we can offer in this area".

...Ghost... wrote: »

You have referred to the McAfee anti-discrimination statement which, in compliance with Irish law, prohibits discrimination on the basis of gender. We note that, like McAfee, you support encouraging females into STEM and furthermore you do not support discrimination. Please be assured that McAfee is committed to non-discrimination.

The criteria for applying for the scholarship are as set out in the official literature and it is open to female students only and subject to the other criteria as set out. Male students are not included in this particular scholarship programme as males are much more likely to take up the opportunities which we can offer in this area. The scholarship programme represents one of our efforts to positively promote STEM to females who are under represented. It does not restrict access of males to our business. Our internships are taken up predominantly by male students.

This initiative is not at odds with our anti-discrimination statement or our values, but rather positively promotes them.

KrustyUCC

So discrimination based on gender isn't discrimination based on gender nor does discrimination based on gender restrict access of the discriminated against gender to the workplace

Who knew?

Panthro

maybe

Go for an interview and when they point out it's for females, ask them are they assuming your gender.