Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

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We should destroy everything that men created, managed, or had a part in.


How much would be left?

Silentcorner

iptba wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50805822

I don't think the Democrats, like Labour in Britain will be any where near power for sometime to come...precisely for nonsense such as that, they genuinely don't see how far removed they are from the ordinary voter...it is delusion.

Anyone see Jo Swinson, ex leader of the Lib Dems, resignation speech...blaming sexism and racism to explain her own abject failure in a job she got as a direct result of her gender, a perfect example of what can happen when a person gets promoted beyond their level of competence.

Calhoun

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't think the Democrats, like Labour in Britain will be any where near power for sometime to come...precisely for nonsense such as that, they genuinely don't see how far removed they are from the ordinary voter...it is delusion.

Anyone see Jo Swinson, ex leader of the Lib Dems, resignation speech...blaming sexism and racism to explain her own abject failure in a job she got as a direct result of her gender, a perfect example of what can happen when a person gets promoted beyond their level of competence.

I was reading some of the political commentary and the Democrats were hoping to emulate the British success in 2020.

It seems we are on a wave of change or perhaps its a turn back to normality. Extreme left and right politics are starting to be seen for what they are and parties that focus on splitting and dividing people are finding they are not getting the votes.

Who knows with America though but we are now at a stage where the online mob is starting to be ignored and their power stripped we only need a few more spankings for them.

Silentcorner

Calhoun wrote: »

I was reading some of the political commentary and the Democrats were hoping to emulate the British success in 2020.

It seems we are on a wave of change or perhaps its a turn back to normality. Extreme left and right politics are starting to be seen for what they are and parties that focus on splitting and dividing people are finding they are not getting the votes.

Who knows with America though but we are now at a stage where the online mob is starting to be ignored and their power stripped we only need a few more spankings for them.

It's a turn back to normality...and it is being achieved democratically...when you take a step back and watch what is happening it actually renews my faith in ordinary people...forget about media and how it is presenting all this to you, that industry, in its current form, is dying....twitter is just a deranged mob pay it no attention.

There is only one political side engaging in this radical rhetoric, presenting 16 year old school girls as some kind of messiah...ridiculing men in particular, calling anyone who dares to argue with the Democrats as misogynists, racist, zenophobes, deplorables etc etc...I don't think Trump is the answer, it took a complete narcissist with National recognition to embarrass both Republicans and Democrats...the next President of the US will be a Republican, could well be a woman.

Pawwed Rig

Silentcorner wrote: »

I don't think Trump is the answer, it took a complete narcissist with National recognition to embarrass both Republicans and Democrats...the next President of the US will be a Republican, could well be a woman.

I said it 2 years ago and I still think it is true that Trump will be the next president. It would be unusual for an incumbent to lose an election. It would be even more unusual for an incumbent not to be nominated.

The mainstream Democrat candidates make me wonder if they know what they are doing as a party. Obama aside they have made some questionable nominations over the years and I think 2020 is going to be a worse nomination than ever before. Staggering that they cannot see this. Stinks of a groupthink mentality

Silentcorner

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I said it 2 years ago and I still think it is true that Trump will be the next president. It would be unusual for an incumbent to lose an election. It would be even more unusual for an incumbent not to be nominated.

The mainstream Democrat candidates make me wonder if they know what they are doing as a party. Obama aside they have made some questionable nominations over the years and I think 2020 is going to be a worse nomination than ever before. Staggering that they cannot see this. Stinks of a groupthink mentality

I agree completely...I mean in 2024....

The types of people who get into party membership, in particular with the Democrats, are the type who believe twitter is real world, the ranks have been poisoned by identity politics which will take a while to wash out.

Identity politics attracts an individual who is completely incapable of taking personal responsibility for their own poor decision making, it is easier to believe you are being oppressed by the white man as it absolves you of accountability, these are not the types of people who you want in a political party that has clearly abandoned their core voters...if there is drop in support for the Democrats in African American voters they are truly in deep deep trouble.

Barack Obama

Barack Obama wrote: »

Barack Obama: Women are better leaders than men

If women ran every country in the world there would be a general improvement in living standards and outcomes, former US President Barack Obama has said.

Speaking in Singapore, he said women aren't perfect, but are "indisputably better" than men.

And what's he basing such a statement on? It's not as if the few times that women have stepped up into powerful leadership roles that it's gone swimmingly. Even when we look at business, there is a reason that there are generally more male managers than women... because they're not competitive enough in the face of overt aggression. There are exceptions, and that's definitely true. But then the exceptions apply to males also. Those exceptions stand out because they were so amazing (or awful)

I really wish people would object more strongly when someone like Obama says rubbish like this. He encouraged identity division politics in the US, and it seems he's moving on to gender divisions now. I'd love to see someone demand that he prove statements like this.

Silentcorner

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And what's he basing such a statement on? It's not as if the few times that women have stepped up into powerful leadership roles that it's gone swimmingly. Even when we look at business, there is a reason that there are generally more male managers than women... because they're not competitive enough in the face of overt aggression. There are exceptions, and that's definitely true. But then the exceptions apply to males also. Those exceptions stand out because they were so amazing (or awful)

I really wish people would object more strongly when someone like Obama says rubbish like this. He encouraged identity division politics in the US, and it seems he's moving on to gender divisions now. I'd love to see someone demand that he prove statements like this.

He might feel a little bit of guilt being the President that is the most directly responsible for the College Debt Bubble which is affecting young women who owe 2/3rd of the €1.5 TRILLION owed ( for their useless Gender Studies degree's...imagine being a 25 year old woman who is €80,000 in debt for a degree that qualifies you for nothing...now, if we know that the amount of money owed is an indicator of how useless the degrees are, consider how many students didn't have to borrow for their degrees you can get a better sense of many many students (mainly women) have completely wasted their opportunity at getting a meaningful education.

Obama might yet go down as one of the most useless US Presidents in living memory, race relations plummeted on his watch also...great talker though!!

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

He might feel a little bit of guilt being the President that is the most directly responsible for the College Debt Bubble which is affecting young women who owe 2/3rd of the €1.5 TRILLION owed

I doubt it. I think he's a genuine politician. A snakeoil salesman. He'll say anything to swing a crowd.

( for their useless Gender Studies degree's...imagine being a 25 year old woman who is €80,000 in debt for a degree that qualifies you for nothing...now, if we know that the amount of money owed is an indicator of how useless the degrees are, consider how many students didn't have to borrow for their degrees you can get a better sense of many many students (mainly women) have completely wasted their opportunity at getting a meaningful education.

Gender studies qualifications will get you roles in politics, HRM, etc. It's a foundational qualification and when mixed with a Masters in something else, is actually quite useful. You seem to forget that we have policies that promote women in the workplace, and feminists have been pushing themselves into positions of authority for a long time. Anyone with a gender studies qualification will appeal to those feminists during the hiring process. Just look at companies like Disney, who tend to hire for all-female teams. They're not alone in such behavior, and many companies are promoting a priority to hire females with feminist/"emotional intelligence" awareness.

Obama might yet go down as one of the most useless US Presidents in living memory, race relations plummeted on his watch also...great talker though!!

I can hope. Can't stand him myself. I never thought anyone could be worse than Bush Jnr, for the lies told to get the invasion of Iraq and what followed, but Obama with his drone strikes, and double standards has done so much damage both in the US and abroad.

Silentcorner

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I doubt it. I think he's a genuine politician. A snakeoil salesman. He'll say anything to swing a crowd.



Gender studies qualifications will get you roles in politics, HRM, etc. It's a foundational qualification and when mixed with a Masters in something else, is actually quite useful. You seem to forget that we have policies that promote women in the workplace, and feminists have been pushing themselves into positions of authority for a long time. Anyone with a gender studies qualification will appeal to those feminists during the hiring process. Just look at companies like Disney, who tend to hire for all-female teams. They're not alone in such behavior, and many companies are promoting a priority to hire females with feminist/"emotional intelligence" awareness.



I can hope. Can't stand him myself. I never thought anyone could be worse than Bush Jnr, for the lies told to get the invasion of Iraq and what followed, but Obama with his drone strikes, and double standards has done so much damage both in the US and abroad.

Well, when it comes to the College Debt Crisis (and it is a crisis) the degrees women (as 2/3rds of the debt belong to women, african americans hold a huge amount of college debt as well) pursue do not create enough wealth to allow them pay it off...so, I would stand by my assertion, at least according to the free market, those degrees are all useless.

I am aware that corporations have invested heavily in "reprogramming" for their workforce, but what we do not yet know is how successful they will be...if you look at the most obvious industries that we all have visability on, Feminism/Diversity agendas are failing in politics, failing in media, failing in Culture....I think they have over played their hand, a lot of promises were made to corporations that they would see profits rise...for how long will those feminists be in demand...when you look at the political landscape across the West...it doesn't look too good for highly paid NGOs...

Calhoun

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, when it comes to the College Debt Crisis (and it is a crisis) the degrees women (as 2/3rds of the debt belong to women, african americans hold a huge amount of college debt as well) pursue do not create enough wealth to allow them pay it off...so, I would stand by my assertion, at least according to the free market, those degrees are all useless.

I am aware that corporations have invested heavily in "reprogramming" for their workforce, but what we do not yet know is how successful they will be...if you look at the most obvious industries that we all have visability on, Feminism/Diversity agendas are failing in politics, failing in media, failing in Culture....I think they have over played their hand, a lot of promises were made to corporations that they would see profits rise...for how long will those feminists be in demand...when you look at the political landscape across the West...it doesn't look too good for highly paid NGOs...

For the most parts corporations don't give two ****s, the only thing they really give a **** about on the day to day is that there is no sexual harrasment or otherwise that doesn't get them in hot water from lawsuit or negative press. The other side to it is the marketing aspect its a checkbox to keep the troglodytes on Twitter and Reddit from trying to cancel them.

You only have to look at the many attempts that people with these degrees have inserted themselves into companies directly or indirectly and tried to create controversy or insert their politics. For the most part the forced insertion has not worked out well for them and there are now many examples of it.

An example of the true nature of big business can be seen with China, allot of so called woke companies are afraid to speak I'll of the Chinese in Hong Kong as there are too much profits to be made.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, when it comes to the College Debt Crisis (and it is a crisis) the degrees women (as 2/3rds of the debt belong to women, african americans hold a huge amount of college debt as well) pursue do not create enough wealth to allow them pay it off...so, I would stand by my assertion, at least according to the free market, those degrees are all useless.

Except that they're not useless when combined with something like a MBA. I'd argue that most degrees these days are pretty useless, but Gender studies fits the market in many counties. Not all, but many.

I am aware that corporations have invested heavily in "reprogramming" for their workforce, but what we do not yet know is how successful they will be...if you look at the most obvious industries that we all have visability on, Feminism/Diversity agendas are failing in politics, failing in media, failing in Culture....

They're not failing. They overextended but any degree of caution will allow them to retain their positions, and corporations are not going to reel back the changes until the law follows suit. I don't see much movement in the law to generate an actual equal based society, with causes still promoting extra benefits for females in many areas, such as harassment.

I think they have over played their hand, a lot of promises were made to corporations that they would see profits rise...for how long will those feminists be in demand...when you look at the political landscape across the West...it doesn't look too good for highly paid NGOs...

I've no idea. They'll likely stay in demand for the next decade. I don't see any push-back happening yet. Just lots of talk, but little actual movement.

Silentcorner

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Except that they're not useless when combined with something like a MBA. I'd argue that most degrees these days are pretty useless, but Gender studies fits the market in many counties. Not all, but many.



They're not failing. They overextended but any degree of caution will allow them to retain their positions, and corporations are not going to reel back the changes until the law follows suit. I don't see much movement in the law to generate an actual equal based society, with causes still promoting extra benefits for females in many areas, such as harassment.



I've no idea. They'll likely stay in demand for the next decade. I don't see any push-back happening yet. Just lots of talk, but little actual movement.

If they weren't useless they would be able to pay back the loans they took to get the degrees...mba's or no mba's, simple as that really!

Feminism is failing politically, most obviously with Hillary Clinton, closer to home Jo Swinson, it is also getting no traction here in Ireland, SF got a bit of a spanking, the Soc Dems are going no where.

Feminism is also failing Hollywood, the flops are starting to add up, and it remains to be seen how long studios will continue to keep shoving the narrative into movies where it don't belong....as we know, media is in turmoil there is no saving it...the issue is that once a creative institute or media outlet embraces this ideology it abandons creativity and balance, the very things that make them relevant.

Feminism also assumes that women want to work longer hours in mundane jobs as men do, that women will prioritise career ahead of family, but what Feminists haven't considered is that while men are fulfilled by providing for their families, woman are fulfilled by starting their own families, they are not fighting the patriarchy, they are fighting mother nature.

Did you ever see the voting patterns of the white woman in the US, married women are much more likely to vote conservative, single women are much more likely to vote Democrat....Hillary maintained that the husbands were coercing the wives into voting Conservative because feminism absolves a woman of responsibilities...it is fascinating, no wonder Obama, Chang and all the others are embracing Feminism, Feminism/Democrats assumes that women will continue to fall for the ideology if you just keep telling women how great and fantastic they all are...that assumes that women are idiots, and as I have pointed out across politics at least, Feminists have underestimated ordinary women!

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Gender studies qualifications will get you roles in politics, HRM, etc. It's a foundational qualification and when mixed with a Masters in something else, is actually quite useful. You seem to forget that we have policies that promote women in the workplace, and feminists have been pushing themselves into positions of authority for a long time. Anyone with a gender studies qualification will appeal to those feminists during the hiring process. Just look at companies like Disney, who tend to hire for all-female teams. They're not alone in such behavior, and many companies are promoting a priority to hire females with feminist/"emotional intelligence" awareness.

I think you mean indoctrination :P Women on the feminist spectrum are some of the most emotionally unintelligent women I have ever met in my life.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

If they weren't useless they would be able to pay back the loans they took to get the degrees...mba's or no mba's, simple as that really!

The same could be said for many degrees like Philosophy. It's not only Gender studies programs that are facing issues with gaining proper employment.

The loans and costs of US third level education has been rising for a long time. I know people with solid degrees who are still paying back loans a decade after they finished. It's never "as simple as that". There are more factors at play than it being how useless GS is, which i do agree it is, but I know managers in very good companies with GS modules as part of their primary degrees.

Feminism is failing politically, most obviously with Hillary Clinton, closer to home Jo Swinson, it is also getting no traction here in Ireland, SF got a bit of a spanking, the Soc Dems are going no where.

You're talking about using Feminism as a campaign speech. Oh, I agree. It is a whole bit of nonsense. However, it's not a sign that feminism itself is failing.

Feminism is also failing Hollywood, the flops are starting to add up, and it remains to be seen how long studios will continue to keep shoving the narrative into movies where it don't belong....as we know, media is in turmoil there is no saving it...the issue is that once a creative institute or media outlet embraces this ideology it abandons creativity and balance, the very things that make them relevant.

Woke or go broke. Yup. I'm aware. It's sheer stupidity. Take a genre, usually one with a male audience, make a crap production and then insult your audience because they didn't appreciate it. However, in areas such as love stories, they still tend to do pretty well. It's when they apply feminism to traditionally male audiences that things go badly wrong. But that's happening with movies where there is no SJW rubbish introduced too. Hollywood is showing a severe about of contempt for audiences with many of their productions

As for the media, that's more of a liberal left thing rather than primarily feminism. It's why the left and feminism are so often associated with each other.

Feminism also assumes that women want to work longer hours in mundane jobs as men do, that women will prioritise career ahead of family, but what Feminists haven't considered is that while men are fulfilled by providing for their families, woman are fulfilled by starting their own families, they are not fighting the patriarchy, they are fighting mother nature.

Yup. And worse. I've posted many times on the hypocrisy of feminism, double standards, and bad logic.

Did you ever see the voting patterns of the white woman in the US, married women are much more likely to vote conservative, single women are much more likely to vote Democrat....Hillary maintained that the husbands were coercing the wives into voting Conservative because feminism absolves a woman of responsibilities...it is fascinating, no wonder Obama, Chang and all the others are embracing Feminism, Feminism/Democrats assumes that women will continue to fall for the ideology if you just keep telling women how great and fantastic they all are...that assumes that women are idiots, and as I have pointed out across politics at least, Feminists have underestimated ordinary women!

Agreed. Feminism treats the average person like a child to be led around. It condescends and demeans people.

But it doesn't change what I said. Feminism itself is not losing ground, and it's going to keep the majority of it's gains. The reaction to Hollywood movies or feminist driven campaigns is simply a sign that they've overreached. They can take three steps back and merge back into society easily, while retaining serious influence on many people. They're still firmly established in US Academia, Psychology, and a host of other industries.

iptba

Irish Examiner editorial:

Our View: General election 2020 - Elect more women and reject lies

[..]

Electioneering is divisive, but there’s one issue where consensus might be profitable. Women hold a record 35 seats in today’s Dáil.

This represents a paltry 22%, up from 15%, of seats. Rebalancing this discrimination may be one of the few things we all might agree on over the next month.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/our-view-general-election-2020-elect-more-women-and-reject-lies-975520.html

There is already a 30% gender quota in place for parties. This will rise to 40% in a few years. So I'm not convinced male candidates should be discriminated against by voters.

KrustyUCC

It doesn't matter if the woman is qualified just that she is a woman

Calhoun

iptba wrote: »

Irish Examiner editorial:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/our-view-general-election-2020-elect-more-women-and-reject-lies-975520.html

There is already a 30% gender quota in place for parties. This will rise to 40% in a few years. So I'm not convinced male candidates should be discriminated against by voters.

The woke examiner can F right off, Ms Piggy is prime example of a vote for tokenism and the only thing she is a success at is opening up more ways for discriminatory practices/tokenism.

They can keep up the auld spiel and see how much of a difference it makes on the doorstep. People seem to be finally moving away from the BS, sick of all the ****e.

LoughNeagh2017

My whole existence is a tale of sexism. If i was born a female i wouldn't be a failure like i am now, i would have had friends at school (female loners didn't exist), I would have had a boyfriend no matter how ugly and socially awkward i was. In regards to work I would probably still be poor but I would have a comfortable office job. Let's face it, it's the best era in human history to be female. Also if you are female people are usually nice to you and if you have mental problems people are more sympathetic to you whereas I honestly believe that society would gladly kill mentally ill low tier men if they could get away with it.

Calhoun

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

My whole existence is a tale of sexism. If i was born a female i wouldn't be a failure like i am now, i would have had friends at school (female loners didn't exist), I would have had a boyfriend no matter how ugly and socially awkward i was. In regards to work I would probably still be poor but I would have a comfortable office job. Let's face it, it's the best era in human history to be female. Also if you are female people are usually nice to you and if you have mental problems people are more sympathetic to you whereas I honestly believe that society would gladly kill mentally ill low tier men if they could get away with it.

Your going to have to elaborate a little.

hots

LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

My whole existence is a tale of sexism. If i was born a female i wouldn't be a failure like i am now, i would have had friends at school (female loners didn't exist), I would have had a boyfriend no matter how ugly and socially awkward i was. In regards to work I would probably still be poor but I would have a comfortable office job. Let's face it, it's the best era in human history to be female. Also if you are female people are usually nice to you and if you have mental problems people are more sympathetic to you whereas I honestly believe that society would gladly kill mentally ill low tier men if they could get away with it.

Turn it around pal, some sh/t definitely goes against you that you can't help but you can control a lot yourself, never too late.

iptba

Lorraine Courtney: 'Give your vote to a woman - it's the only way to break the tyranny of mediocre men'

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/lorraine-courtney-give-your-vote-to-a-woman-its-the-only-way-to-break-the-tyranny-of-mediocre-men-38890870.html

I think this would be seen as sexist, if the genders were reversed, and I think the Irish Independent would be unlikely to run such an article:

Lorraine Courtney: 'Give your vote to a man - it's the only way to break the tyranny of mediocre women'

Silentcorner

iptba wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/lorraine-courtney-give-your-vote-to-a-woman-its-the-only-way-to-break-the-tyranny-of-mediocre-men-38890870.html

I think this would be seen as sexist, if the genders were reversed, and I think the Irish Independent would be unlikely to run such an article:

Imagine what it must be like, for an Irish woman, in this day and age,who outspend the men by multiples despite earning less, who receive greater state health and social welfare privileges despite paying less tax, who enjoy a much more lenient justice system, who enjoy a safer society than men, to convince themselves that they are surviving some kind of tyranny....it is moronic!

It's also extremely unhealthy....

Calhoun

Silentcorner wrote: »

Imagine what it must be like, for an Irish woman, in this day and age,who outspend the men by multiples despite earning less, who receive greater state health and social welfare privileges despite paying less tax, who enjoy a much more lenient justice system, who enjoy a safer society than men, to convince themselves that they are surviving some kind of tyranny....it is moronic!

It's also extremely unhealthy....

Its also underselling the value of women themselves, too many of the current lot are their because of quotas and they have no right to be.

Ironic to see the horrible scowl of Ivana in that picture, who is as corrupt as they come, story goes she had to step down from being the TCD Studen union president as she lied about how she was voting to get a woman in against something that was already pre-agreed.

iptba

iptba wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/lorraine-courtney-give-your-vote-to-a-woman-its-the-only-way-to-break-the-tyranny-of-mediocre-men-38890870.html

I think this would be seen as sexist, if the genders were reversed, and I think the Irish Independent would be unlikely to run such an article:

It ends:

So, go out and vote for a woman on February 8 - and another and another and another - right down your ballot paper.

From Twitter:

https://twitter.com/bethlynch2020/status/1220848315316822016?s=11

Sleepy

Had an experience over the weekend that I felt demonstrated my unease with the state of gender politics in Ireland at the moment. On hearing the news that the 3 poor children in Newcastle had been found dead my first thought wasn't "that's awful" it was "please let it have been the mother rather than the father".

It's a horrible reaction to the death of three young children and one I feel bad about and yet... Yet, I know where it comes from. Had the father been the murderer, we'd have months of media articles, reports and feminist agenda pushing about how "toxic masculinity" was to blame for the whole sorry situation. No real empathy, no investigation into how someone so profoundly mentally unstable was left charged with the care of children, no lessons looked for to help avoid (or even reduce) the possibility of the same thing happening again: just a giant media pile-on from those pushing a "feminist" agenda. An agenda, which I genuinely believe is harmful to the metal health of our society and which could actually be a contributing factor to the mental health problems of the next potential perpetrator of family annihilation.

Calhoun

I had a similar conversation with the wife, im waiting for them to pin it on societal pressures or something like that.

Sleepy

And, no doubt, there'll be an element of truth in that.

Let's not behave like the misandrists this thread rails against. Let's be better. Man or woman, no sane parent murders their own children. If something can be identified in the mother's history, psyche or behaviour that was a contributing factor to the psychotic break I can only assume she experienced in order to carry out this crime that's a tiny silver lining that might be taken from this sorry tale.

There's more to be gained for society in trying to understand such behaviour than there is in punishing it. Regardless of the gender of the perpetrator.

CrabRevolution

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Sleepy wrote: »

Had an experience over the weekend that I felt demonstrated my unease with the state of gender politics in Ireland at the moment. On hearing the news that the 3 poor children in Newcastle had been found dead my first thought wasn't "that's awful" it was "please let it have been the mother rather than the father".

It's a horrible reaction to the death of three young children and one I feel bad about and yet... Yet, I know where it comes from. Had the father been the murderer, we'd have months of media articles, reports and feminist agenda pushing about how "toxic masculinity" was to blame for the whole sorry situation. No real empathy, no investigation into how someone so profoundly mentally unstable was left charged with the care of children, no lessons looked for to help avoid (or even reduce) the possibility of the same thing happening again: just a giant media pile-on from those pushing a "feminist" agenda. An agenda, which I genuinely believe is harmful to the metal health of our society and which could actually be a contributing factor to the mental health problems of the next potential perpetrator of family annihilation.

That's what struck me most about the Hawe case. People were actually enraged and driven to expend energy pushing a campaign because they felt that the "wrong" message was being sent out in the wake of the tragedy. The narrative had to be realligned to fit the "He was pure evil, and there's numerous men like him in every locality. Every man you know is a potential murderer" train of thought.

I've no sympathy for Alan Hawe, and no interest in trying to rehabilitate his image or explaining his heinous actions. I'm not calling for "equality of murderers". But it's telling how the same standards won't be applied to this case as to his. The official reactions will be:

1. "God Help the Mother, mental health is a major issue"
2. "How dare you use this to push your men-are-oppressed ideology?!"
3. "It's too soon after the event to touch such a raw subject"(A favourite of pro-gun Republicans in the US after the latest mass shooting. Wait till the story and passions die down before resuming normal service.)

There will be no lashing out in the media against women or mothers, or campaigns to ensure she is only spoken of negatively, and nor should there be. But it's a glaring contrast to cases where men were the murderers.

eviltwin

I think the way someone kills their family has a lot to do with it. Hawe was particularly brutal and violent. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for anyone who can put a hatchet in his wifes face and stab his sons. It also transpired that Has was a controlling man, domestic abuse is a hard sell on the empathy front. I have little sympathy for this woman too, all I can think of is the father of those children and what he must be going through. Maybe when more details emerge that will change but for now the father is the one my thoughts are with.

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MoonUnit75

eviltwin wrote: »

I think the way someone kills their family has a lot to do with it. Hawe was particularly brutal and violent. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for anyone who can put a hatchet in his wifes face and stab his sons. It also transpired that Has was a controlling man, domestic abuse is a hard sell on the empathy front. I have little sympathy for this woman too, all I can think of is the father of those children and what he must be going through. Maybe when more details emerge that will change but for now the father is the one my thoughts are with.

It’s strange how the Hawe story evolved, in the Shannon Side radio interview Clodagh’s sister said there was no physical abuse and that Clodagh and the children had very happy lives. She said they were an extremely close family and if there was anything untoward going on they would certainly have known about it. It really doesn’t sound like they were living under tyranny.

Calhoun

eviltwin wrote: »

I think the way someone kills their family has a lot to do with it. Hawe was particularly brutal and violent. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for anyone who can put a hatchet in his wifes face and stab his sons. It also transpired that Has was a controlling man, domestic abuse is a hard sell on the empathy front. I have little sympathy for this woman too, all I can think of is the father of those children and what he must be going through. Maybe when more details emerge that will change but for now the father is the one my thoughts are with.

I think in this case it's a little more sinister as this was a nurse who did it and if reports are true drugged them.

No matter way society cuts it, it's not and never should be considered a competition and should be reviled no matter who did it.

What it tells us is we have sick people in society but it's not a reflection on certain groupings.

Calhoun

To be fair to the boards staff Hawe when it first broke had very similar treatment to this lady.

It was only after the inquest and the details of the crime came out did people go after him like that.

I think that is fair and the treatment should be universal until more details are forthcoming.

MoonUnit75

Not sure about that. I had a look back at the original thread and it’s huge. By chance I picked page 11 to see how the discussion was going, two days after the news broke and it was heavy on the speculation and psychoanalysis of ‘Demonic Dads’ according to modern doctrines: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057640998&page=11
No consequences for this train of thought despite the mod warnings.

Wibbs

maybe

Calhoun wrote: »

To be fair to the boards staff Hawe when it first broke had very similar treatment to this lady.

It was only after the inquest and the details of the crime came out did people go after him like that.

I think that is fair and the treatment should be universal until more details are forthcoming.

Indeed C, and there's also the legal matter of discussing such a case in speculative terms. No matter how the Hawes case was discussed, I had nada to do with it, but if I see anything daft or speculative here on this case, in this forum it won't go down well.

Calhoun

Agreed completely and i would also requote what sleepy said

Let's not behave like the misandrists this thread rails against. Let's be better. Man or woman, no sane parent murders their own children.

Lets be better.

creditcarder

I dunno, I think fighting fire with fire can work in this regards. Like holding a mirror up to somebody.



Like, if women were being falsely accused/facing absurd exagerated accusations (E.g. I went into his apartment, we were kissing, he touched my boob and I am now a sex assault victing) then it might show how silly it is.

Calhoun

Depends on what you mean exactly and how you would do it. In the case above regarding the recent tragic case, it's all about time and place when you have a wider discussion.

When the shoe was on the other foot, and the Hawe incident was very fresh we saw the same reaction from the mods making sure that people were being respectful.

If you fight fire with fire and immediately jump in , then it can come across as very petty and insincere. Almost like people care about points scoring than the crime that happened. I know that's not always the case but it's why these topics need nuance.

Pawwed Rig

As the mod in question we have limited the information on thread to what has been printed in the media. As a live investigation is underway we cannot allow speculation to run riot on the thread.
As of today there has been noone specifically identified as the perpetrator of these events. It has been indicated in the media but not said definitively.

And honestly if you saw some of the comments we have had to delete you would cry. You would think people would be respectful in these circumstances but unfortunately there were many where empathy was severely lacking.

ancapailldorcha

maybe

Take any further discussion of moderation on this site to Feedback and/or the Help Desk please as it's well beyond the remit of this forum. Thanks.

Sleepy

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

One eyed Jack

Sleepy wrote: »

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

To be fair, it’s not something that women are generally mindful of, so reminding them by advertising the fact that one in four women die from a heart attack, or that nearly as many women die from cardiovascular disease as men isn’t a bad thing IMO. Actually now I am reminded of it, you’ve reminded me of similar comments I’d made before in relation to the need for women to be more mindful of their risk of cardiovascular disease -

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I gotta be honest, I read that as a fairly balanced piece, pointing out the differences between men’s and women’s health in terms of cardiovascular health, something which a lot of women I know at least weren’t aware of, but they’re acutely aware of cardiovascular and heart diseases in men, as are most men.

Of course when the Healthy Towns program is sponsored by the makers of viagra, they’ll probably mention at some point how contrary to popular belief their little blue pill may show a lot more promise in preventing cardiovascular health conditions and type 2 diabetes, than just being prescribed as a treatment for male impotence -


Phosphodiesterase-5 inhibitors as novel cardioprotective agents – have we reached threshold for large-scale clinical trials?


(I’m sure the ladies will be happy to hear it too )

creditcarder

Sleepy wrote: »

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

Better than 1 in 4 women are homeless, or 1 in 12 journalists that are killed aare female

Calhoun

Sleepy wrote: »

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

I think it could be a very specific targeted campaign due to women not being as proactive about it.

There is more than likely an element of it being sexist but I also think that women generally don't consider the heart like men do and when they do have an attack it differs from the conventional signs that men have.

iptba

Sleepy wrote: »

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

Though a more important figure is the number of years lost. A lot of the women, but certainly not all, who die from heart attacks are elderly.
I imagine the figures for years lost would show a significantly greater number of years lost by men than women.

iptba

Calhoun wrote: »

Looks like Miss Piggy is spreading her sexist message again https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/creation-of-womenonly-university-posts-not-about-keeping-men-out-of-power-says-mary-mitchell-oconnor-38240808.html .

Sincerely hope she looses her seat ,I also hope this role is challenged legally. She is making way to much noise about how it's legal for their not to be some form of legal challenge.

She lost her seat:
https://www.universitytimes.ie/2020/02/mary-mitchell-oconnor-loses-seat-on-eighth-count-in-tight-dun-laoghaire-race/

Calhoun

iptba wrote: »

She lost her seat:
https://www.universitytimes.ie/2020/02/mary-mitchell-oconnor-loses-seat-on-eighth-count-in-tight-dun-laoghaire-race/

She losts her seat, as did Coppinger, one of the last to fall is going to be Zappone but we shall see.

One eyed Jack

Calhoun wrote: »

She losts her seat, as did Coppinger, one of the last to fall is going to be Zappone but we shall see.

Have to admit, I breathed a sigh of relief that she’s finally out -

Dublin South West results: Zappone bows out as Duffy and Lahart take final seats

Calhoun

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Have to admit, I breathed a sigh of relief that she’s finally out -

Dublin South West results: Zappone bows out as Duffy and Lahart take final seats

She wasn't the worst of them but I couldn't get over installing Una Mulally as the education tsar.