The Greatest Injustice of All Time!

losthorizon

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Dont know if you can call this a injustice, but can imagine the uproar if it happened today.

Remember reading this before about qualification for the 1954 World Cup

In Group 6 for World Cup qualification in Europe there was only 2 teams. Turkey and Spain. The First game ended 4-1 to Spain in Madrid. The second game finished 1-0 to hosts so leaving the 2 teams on 2 points each. Goal Difference did not count then.

So the group stage was decided by Play-off on neutral ground and Rome was the venue.

Here's the weird bit

After 2-2 draw a.e.t the game was decided by lots. A 14 year old local ( Roman/italian) boy whose father worked at the stadium, picked Turkey's name from the lots with his eyes blindfolded.

Turkey got to World Cup.

Who says Fifa have not moved on eh?

Away Goals is only a fairly recent innovation. Ireland got to play a play off match by winning like this. Heres the story. Although in fairness Paris was a neutral venue the FAI could have asked FIFA to deal with the problem they might have chosen England as they were the WC hosts.

http://www.soccer-ireland.com/irish-football-history/ireland-spain-1965.htm

764dak

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Dont know if you can call this a injustice, but can imagine the uproar if it happened today.

Remember reading this before about qualification for the 1954 World Cup

In Group 6 for World Cup qualification in Europe there was only 2 teams. Turkey and Spain. The First game ended 4-1 to Spain in Madrid. The second game finished 1-0 to hosts so leaving the 2 teams on 2 points each. Goal Difference did not count then.

So the group stage was decided by Play-off on neutral ground and Rome was the venue.

Here's the weird bit

After 2-2 draw a.e.t the game was decided by lots. A 14 year old local ( Roman/italian) boy whose father worked at the stadium, picked Turkey's name from the lots with his eyes blindfolded.

Turkey got to World Cup.

Who says Fifa have not moved on eh?

There were less tiebreakers back then but there are still coin tosses for group games at tournaments, for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_South_American_Youth_Championship#First_Group_Stage

losthorizon

764dak wrote: »

There were less tiebreakers back then but there are still coin tosses for group games at tournaments, for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_South_American_Youth_Championship#First_Group_Stage

Cant believe they dont award the place to the team that scores the most goals

roanoke

losthorizon wrote: »

Cant believe they dont award the place to the team that scores the most goals

In that example it seemed both teams had exactly the same record across the board.

The_Kew_Tour

losthorizon wrote: »

Cant believe they dont award the place to the team that scores the most goals

They both scored 4

noodler

roanoke wrote: »

A lot of stuff I personally don't count as injustice even if it is cheating (eg Maradona's hand of god). I saw the full game and England weren't even at the races. The right team went through.

By comparison, I'd count this as an injustice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germany_1%E2%80%930_Austria_(1982_FIFA_World_Cup)
An actual injustice that resulted in the format of the tournament itself being changed.

Argentina won by one goal though - not ten.

Football doesn't work on the basis that the team playing better can cheat to get through and it somehow makes it just.

The very act of cheating against a team you are battering, but cannot break down, is an injustice if it goes unpunished and affects the outcome.

EDIT: And Henry's handball for me, obviously, always.

GavRedKing

Me and a buddy were over at the game in Paris and we had seats about 4 back from the front in the Irish end, the oppositie end that Henry had handballed, we didnt see anything, it was only when we got txts from back home had we heard about it, I remember going back to the hotel feeling robbed and when we seen the replays on French TV it made me even worse, never felt so disgusted at a result in all my life, I honestly felt had it went to penalties we'd have won, Lloris was in good form but I just fancied our penalty takers had we held out.

ronjo

How about Spain v England in Euro 1996 Quarter Finals?

If I remember correctly, (though could be wrong) Spain had two perfectly good goals disallowed in that game.

losthorizon

roanoke wrote: »

In that example it seemed both teams had exactly the same record across the board.

my mistake I was look at looking at Argentina - Colombia rather than Colombia - Ecuador

thebaz

Replacing Olly Holloway with Tony hoofball Pullis -

Shame on you Crystal Palace

greendom

GavRedKing wrote: »

Me and a buddy were over at the game in Paris and we had seats about 4 back from the front in the Irish end, the oppositie end that Henry had handballed, we didnt see anything, it was only when we got txts from back home had we heard about it, I remember going back to the hotel feeling robbed and when we seen the replays on French TV it made me even worse, never felt so disgusted at a result in all my life, I honestly felt had it went to penalties we'd have won, Lloris was in good form but I just fancied our penalty takers had we held out.

I think France suffered by winning this game - it allowed Domenech to continue and led to the meltdown in South Africa that they are still recovering from. It's cold comfort probably but something to take from the game.

niallo27

greendom wrote: »

I think France suffered by winning this game - it allowed Domenech to continue and led to the meltdown in South Africa that they are still recovering from. It's cold comfort probably but something to take from the game.

It's mad to think we got to euro championship and should have got to a World Cup but still trap was nearly reached the level that fans hated him when he left.

764dak

https://www.thescore.com/news/509422

Mexico's 4-0 victory over El Salvador in the group stage was a strange one. Nearing the end of the first half, Egyptian referee Hussain Kandail awarded a free kick to El Salvador, but instead, Mexico quickly took it as if it had been awarded to them. When they scored a goal from the resulting play, El Salvador went wild in protest. Despite how overwhelmingly unfair the goal seemed, it stood, and Mexico scored three more times in the second half to win the match.

artanevilla

niallo27 wrote: »

It's mad to think we got to euro championship and should have got to a World Cup but still trap was nearly reached the level that fans hated him when he left.

Ridiculous when you consider him next to O'Neill, when he qualified for the Euros, he finished third in the group, elimination under Trapp. You can agrue O'Neill did better in the Euros, but again he finished third, which was elimination in Trapp's time.

noodler

In the 2006 world cup knockout stages, I believe Grosso dived to get Italy a penalty against Australia.


Felt pretty bad for the aussies there.

Hercule Poirot

Michael Owen in 1998 purposely changing direction to run into an Argentine defender, throwing himself on the floor, winning a penalty and being applauded by the English media for "intelligent play" - and then they spend the next twenty years blaming foreigners for introducing diving into the premiership

Agent Coulson

So what was the injustice in the original post who was sent off?

lorcand1990

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So what was the injustice in the original post who was sent off?

Quick date search on the date of the thread- my best guess is that it was Nani's red card against Madrid

Agent Coulson

Who was the first Madrid player in the ref's ear.


Ramos at it again.

Mushy

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Who was the first Madrid player in the ref's ear.


Ramos at it again.

I'd have far more issue with who the ref is. Guaranteed stonewall big wrong decision every match. Incompetent but gets big games

Harald Schumacher vs Battiston 1982