revenue issues threat to every homeowner in the country.

darkhorse

SamHall wrote: »

If the govt/revenue steal the money from accounts (and it will be stealing, make no bones about that) it can quite easily (and legally) be denied from them in many other ways.

I for one plan to up my six county shopping trips by one hundred percent. (there's a big chunk of vat/excise duties denied to them)

Cash transactions, ofttimes result in discounts too btw.

We are finished from last month, along with another 64 households in our small estate, shopping in the South, Sam. Now, we are only 4 minutes drive from the border, so travel is not the issue. I remember when we did go into the north shopping once or twice, seeing all the southern reg cars, and things were'nt too bad financially at that time, but I will be honest with you, we decided to stay and shop local, in order to support local retail business, and I regret to have to say that the time for patriotism is over, and its down to our government for taking so much money from us that we have less and less to spend in our economy. I said it before when things were a bit better, and it has come to it now, that a tax and a charge too far is really going to tear the arse out of this economy, because VAT returns are going to suffer big time, as the govt drive people across the border to shop. I think the government are really going to regret this.

MadYaker

"I don't want to pay more tax, but I'm going to pay it anyway and then do my shopping up north. That'll teach them! Nevermind the extra money I'm going to spend on fuel, I'd rather give my money to the government in the U.K than pay my taxes here and help get us out of this mess"

You guys may think you're sticking it to the man but in reality all your doing is slowing the recovery process and dragging it out and forcing the government to find other ways to take money off you. I'm not some government shill I'm just trying to get my views across.

Bullseye1

I agree with you. It is pointless shopping up the north to punish the government. All your doing is hurting retail in this country and putting further jobs at risk. These are our brothers/sisters/parents/friends working in these jobs. No matter how bad it gets shop local.

Am Chile

I see from facebook a new group calling itself attack the tax-look like they re planning to bring a court challenge over the property tax-I mightnt know too much about this group at the moment-but any court challenges brought forward I welcome.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=145125842323345&set=a.107199099449353.17737.100004777892525&type=1&theater

darkhorse

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Again, you have to compare this against alternative measures where you may have no alternative but to pay up.

You aren't necessarily passing it on to your family. You can discharge it at any time, such as a few years down the road.

There's only one big hole in you scenario. When the government deemed that the people that cant pay because of their inability to pay, deferal not withstanding, but if the economy stays as is for the next 20 years, that would mean the same people with the inability to pay, is not only screwed, but whoever takes on the family home is also screwed. Not to mention all the stress and worry of having said bill as a milestone around ones neck, very depressing for some people, I would imagine. I suppose you read the papers, you know where depression can lead.

dxhound2005

Am Chile wrote: »

I see from facebook a new group calling itself attack the tax-look like they re planning to bring a court challenge over the property tax-I mightnt know too much about this group at the moment-but any court challenges brought forward I welcome.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=145125842323345&set=a.107199099449353.17737.100004777892525&type=1&theater

This is from their website:

Despite what the bar-room experts and the so called legal eagles say;
the Household Charge and the Property Tax is Illegal, Unlawful and Unconstutional,
and does NOT have to be paid, unless you consciously consent/agree to paying it.

It is NOT Mandatory to Declare or to Pay for the Household Charge or the Property Tax. Anyone that
says anything to the contrary is either a legal imbicile, or a liar or both.


I am not a legal eagle, bar-room or otherwise but I call this claptrap of the highest order. Nothing will come of it. Anyway weren't CAHWT and Eirigi and the Socialist Workers Party going to smash the tax, do we need another group?

MadYaker

darkhorse wrote: »

There's only one big hole in you scenario. When the government deemed that the people that cant pay because of their inability to pay, deferal not withstanding, but if the economy stays as is for the next 20 years, that would mean the same people with the inability to pay, is not only screwed, but whoever takes on the family home is also screwed. Not to mention all the stress and worry of having said bill as a milestone around ones neck, very depressing for some people, I would imagine. I suppose you read the papers, you know where depression can lead.

Ya but the economy won't be staying as it is now for the next 20 years. There were tentative signs of growth at the end of last year, and modest growth is predicted again this year, and that's not just our government saying that.

But you're right the psychological impacts of insurmountable debt shouldn't be ignored.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This is from their website:

Despite what the bar-room experts and the so called legal eagles say;
the Household Charge and the Property Tax is Illegal, Unlawful and Unconstutional,
and does NOT have to be paid, unless you consciously consent/agree to paying it.

It is NOT Mandatory to Declare or to Pay for the Household Charge or the Property Tax. Anyone that
says anything to the contrary is either a legal imbicile, or a liar or both.


I am not a legal eagle, bar-room or otherwise but I call this claptrap of the highest order. Nothing will come of it. Anyway weren't CAHWT and Eirigi and the Socialist Workers Party going to smash the tax, do we need another group?

These sound like the same morons who raised their ignorant heads when the HHC was announced. All they are doing is leading gullible people into trouble and giving misinformed people false hope. I wouldn't be surprised if you had to pay a fee to join their "movement", con artists is all they are.

darkhorse

bgrizzley wrote: »

http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/lpt/deferring-payment.html

15k for a single person 25k for couple.

Thank's, grizz, but if you keep answering all the questions that I put to the class, the rest of the class are never going to learn that they will have to research it themselves.:p

squod

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I am not a legal eagle, bar-room or otherwise but I call this claptrap of the highest order. Nothing will come of it. Anyway weren't CAHWT and Eirigi and the Socialist Workers Party going to smash the tax, do we need another group?

Property taxes have never worked so far in this country. Were mostly ignored by the majority and just because the government are getting more compliance for now doesn't mean that trend will continue over time.

You're basing your belief that this tax will be a success because of some big bad wolf. Some peoples fear of revenue commissioners. That'll pass. How many people risk losing their licences while they drive around with a mobile to their ears?

I'll give it two years. By then this shower will be off anyway. Retiring on the back of your labour. Giving you the fingers on the way out the door.

darkhorse

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe, but partially. The thing is I do actually favour some sort of a property tax, but based on the ability to pay. So I would exclude those who can't. I wouldn't saddle them with the utter bullshít that is deferral. I'd include those who have already paid, often handsomely those who've lobbed out thousands on stamp duty for example. I'd exclude those folks who are in mortgage arrears for longer than six months. Or if they still want their pound of flesh give groups like that a significantly lower tax band that they may be able to pay. EG I have no mortgage. My neighbour has and is really struggling in arrears after losing his job. I don't have three kids to support, he does. I dont have the bank ringing me at all hours hounding me for payment I don't have and adding monthly penalties to the already growing arrears, he does. We'll both be asked to pay the same. How the glorified fcuk is that equitable? I'll give you a hint, its not.

No, Wibbs, totally. Unlike you, I do not, under any circumstances agree with a tax on my home, even if I ever get my mortgage paid, purely for moral reasons. As I said, if they, the theives, were to put a token tax on my home of €1, even if I was a millionaire, it would not change my mindset in that area.
If I did ever agree to such a vile tax, putting it on peoples shoulders in the worst economic circumstances that so many homeowners find themselves in, is just evil, piling debt on top of debt to the most vunerable of people, which is what brought about a lot of the problems that we find ourselves in. Anyway, I have'nt enough drink on me to keep talking.

MadYaker

Le_Dieux wrote: »

MY, You have not answered my question, and seems You are avoiding answering it.

How do You know that revenue won't be knocking on doors? Message #546 om page 37.

For me, You have an awful habit of making statements, but can't back them up. If You can, then PLEASE supply answers!

Sorry I missed this, I'll answer now. It's been explained here ad infinitum and by Michael Noonan in multiple interviews over the past few months. If you refuse to pay the government will use an attachment order to deduct the payment from your social welfare or salary payments. They will take it from your paycheck before it goes into your bank account. They will also be coming after everyone who hasn't yet payed the HHC and the late payment penalties they have incurred by refusing to pay it.

Revenue have many of taking ways of taking money from us, all backed up by legislation, doesn't matter if you're unemployed, self employed or working for a multinational. You will pay this in one form or another if you're liable.

darkhorse

tayto lover wrote: »

Nobody should pay a tax on THEIR own private home no matter what.

They will just have to come up with an alternative way to raise revenue.
People will always rebel against an attack on their private residence.

What I'd like to know is:

IF ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD ARE IN DEBT, WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO.

darkhorse

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Only if your circumstances never change.

Just remember, if it gets that far, there's no point in asking the Grandchildren for a digout, as they'll be to busy paying the debts that we already foisted on them.

heartseeker

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Not as much as in the North under Sinn Fein where there is an upper limit of £400,000. People with houses worth millions pay the same as a person with a house worth £400,000. And they give allowances to landlords for their non family home. Here there is no upper limit, in fact houses worth over €1 million pay a higher percentage.

DX hound you just dont get it with your stupid pointless comparisons with the north.We dont care about any fake attempts to compare like with like when everyone knows were getting screwed alot more than the North and other European counterparts.At least they get something for paying their tax.Here its just daylight robbery for incompetent and greedy politicians and bankers.Your pathetic attempts to quell the injustice of this tax will be exposed when we the people take back this country.You are shameful in your defence of greed and impoverishing of the Irish people.Its not even a case anymore of people choosing not to give.THE PEOPLE DON'T EVEN HAVE IT TO GIVE ANYMORE,THEREs NOTHING LEFT TO GIVE ONLY THEIR LIVES ....hence the alarming increase of suicides.The thieves in the night will wake up and realise what they have done when the people fight back on this one.You included.Enslaving the Irish people is unforgivable and its time to stand up and be counted shoulder to shoulder with the Greeks,the Spanish and the Italian people by taking to the streets outside of the DAIL.Only then will the lies,deceit,dishonesty and corruption be set free with the truth set upon them.

squod

darkhorse wrote: »

What I'd like to know is:

IF ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD ARE IN DEBT, WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO.

http://thepoliticsofdebt.com/2007/11/21/less-power-to-the-people/

If this all seems like hippie non-sense then have a think about why the Brits are up in arms over Amazon, Facebook and e-bay dodging taxes and basically fuhking off with more cash than some countries make in GDP.

darkhorse

MadsL wrote: »

Is there no end to this hyperbole? I suppose you regard most taxes as some form of theft.

No, just a tax on the family home that has already cost a small fortune to pay for, insure and maintain, and counting.

MadsL

darkhorse wrote: »

No, just a tax on the family home that has already cost a small fortune to pay for, insure and maintain, and counting.

Then why did you not rent instead of paying a "small fortune"?

heartseeker

MadsL wrote: »

Then why did you not rent instead of paying a "small fortune"?

Because maybe he never predicted such greed at the top to take hold with spiralling taxes,charges,rising prices and cuts to spending to increase bankers bonuses and politicians lavish lifestyles.
Your arrogance and lack of understanding to the dire straits people that were coping but can't anymore is both glib and pathetic.And it is that precise attitude that gets peoples backs up and will be your undoing.

MadsL

heartseeker wrote: »

Because maybe he never predicted such greed at the top to take hold with spiralling taxes,charges,rising prices and cuts to spending to increase bankers bonuses and politicians lavish lifestyles.
Your arrogance and lack of understanding to the dire straits people that were coping but can't anymore is both glib and pathetic.And it is that precise attitude that gets peoples backs up and will be your undoing.

Be my undoing? Some drama queen.

Greed at the top? There was a fair amount of greed going on at the bottom too, and "naysayers" took a fair amount of hammering. You seem to think that I have not suffered as a result of that greed, I have had to emigrate as a result of that greed, despite renting through that boom. Paying the kind of money that people did pay for houses was the seeds of that dire straights, no-one held a gun to anyone's head, so don't ask me to sympathize. We are all big boys and girls signing mortgage agreements, a small tax is not the problem, rather people's financial idiocy.

heartseeker

MadsL wrote: »

Be my undoing? Some drama queen.

Greed at the top? There was a fair amount of greed going on at the bottom too, and "naysayers" took a fair amount of hammering. You seem to think that I have not suffered as a result of that greed, I have had to emigrate as a result of that greed, despite renting through that boom. Paying the kind of money that people did pay for houses was the seeds of that dire straights, no-one held a gun to anyone's head, so don't ask me to sympathize. We are all big boys and girls signing mortgage agreements, a small tax is not the problem, rather people's financial idiocy.

Go and browbeat someone else.nobodys interested.And if your out of the country please stay emigrated because were well shot of your type.Greed down the bottom ...poor people are just as greedy as the bankers who cost the state 80 billion is that it??you must revel in stirring up and sabotaging people on the brink.People with half brain no where the blame lies so if you think your being clever by downing people at the bottom and forcing them to blame themselves your morals or lack thereof are clear for everyone to see right through.Your arrogance will catch up with you in life.

MadsL

heartseeker wrote: »

Go and browbeat someone else.nobodys interested.And if your out of the country please stay emigrated because were well shot of your type.Greed down the bottom ...poor people are just as greedy as the bankers who cost the state 80 billion is that it??you must revel in stirring up and sabotaging people on the brink.People with half brain no where the blame lies so if you think your being clever by downing people at the bottom and forcing them to blame themselves your morals or lack thereof are clear for everyone to see right through.Your arrogance will catch up with you in life.

Browbeat? People made financial decisions that eventually crippled the country, many that are now in negative equity were buying on the basis of the profit to be made on property, and some of those took out another mortgage on buy to let properties. And now we hear the whining.

But hey, rent is dead money yeah.

The current LPT frankly is a comparatively insignificant tax, my current property tax level is five times that full annual level. And there are options for those in "dire straights" - let's stop the bleeding heart nonsense.

Incidentially if you think that "poor people" own houses and apartments, then I suggest you revisit your definition of 'poor'.

AngryHippie

MadsL wrote: »

Browbeat? People made financial decisions that eventually crippled the country, many that are now in negative equity were buying on the basis of the profit to be made on property, and some of those took out another mortgage on buy to let properties. And now we hear the whining.

But hey, rent is dead money yeah.

The current LPT frankly is a comparatively insignificant tax, my current property tax level is five times that full annual level. And there are options for those in "dire straights" - let's stop the bleeding heart nonsense.

Incidentially if you think that "poor people" own houses and apartments, then I suggest you revisit your definition of 'poor'.

TO THE THUNDERDOME!

IceFjoem

darkhorse wrote: »

What I'd like to know is:

IF ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD ARE IN DEBT, WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO.

- Who are countries giving their money to? Who are the shareholders of those institutions?

Chinasea

MadsL wrote: »

Be my undoing? Some drama queen.
There was a fair amount of greed going on at the bottom too, and "naysayers" took a fair amount of hammering. You seem to think that I have not suffered as a result of that greed, I have had to emigrate as a result of that greed, despite renting through that boom. Paying the kind of money that people did pay for houses was the seeds of that dire straights, no-one held a gun to anyone's head, so don't ask me to sympathize. We are all big boys and girls signing mortgage agreements, a small tax is not the problem, rather people's financial idiocy.

Totally, and further more as you say the naysayers have lined up here one after one, going round in circles moaning and crying and scheming as to how they can further contribute to the demise of their beloved country by inciting means of non compliance and other forms of tax evasion. Very patriotic indeed. We have had the starving children mentioned a few times and other tales of woe in this whinge fest. As you say Madsl - time that the definition of poverty was re-examined.

This is a long over due tax that should have been introduced many years ago, and hey, some of those naysayers on here might have thought twice about committing to crazy mortgages when they factored in their annual charge for property tax for services at their door step.

But unfortunately it took a full blown recession to bring it about.

Banjo String

Chinasea wrote: »

This is a long over due tax that should have been introduced many years ago, and hey, some of those naysayers on here might have thought twice about committing to crazy mortgages when they factored in their annual charge for property tax for services at their door step.

How can you factor in something that doesn't exist?

Are you completely going to ignore the whole stamp duty paid up front?

Are you really saying its Homeowners fault, for not taking a charge that did not then exist, into consideration?

We've reached a new low with this one.

MadsL

SamHall wrote: »

How can you factor in something that doesn't exist?

Are you completely going to ignore the whole stamp duty paid up front?

Are you really saying its Homeowners fault, for not taking a charge that did not then exist, into consideration?

We've reached a new low with this one.

What unknowns should you include in a mortgage stress test do you think? If €300-€500 a year is a bridge too far you really would have to question if the mortgage should have been taken out in the first place at that level of inflexibility and ability to deal with small increases in expenses. We are talking about less than €50 a month here.

Banjo String

MadsL wrote: »

What unknowns should you include in a mortgage stress test do you think? If €300-€500 a year is a bridge too far you really would have to question if the mortgage should have been taken out in the first place at that level of inflexibility and ability to deal with small increases in expenses.

Stamp duty already paid upfront.

Will I get a refund?

You said you rent right? What if your landlord came to you at Christmas and said, the rent you paid from Jan-Dec was now dead money, and you had to repay it all over again?

Think about it, I reckon you'd be far from happy.

MadsL

SamHall wrote: »

Stamp duty already paid upfront.

Will I get a refund?

You said you rent right? What if your landlord came to you at Christmas and said, the rent you paid from Jan-Dec was now dead money, and you had to repay it all over again?

Think about it, I reckon you'd be far from happy.

It's a tax, not a private transaction.

Did you expect landlords to get a refund on their taxes on income when the NPPR charge was brought in?

And your yearly charge is a tiny amount, nowhere near the Stamp Duty paid, so your analogy is completely misrepresentative.

Bullseye1

MadsL wrote: »

Then why did you not rent instead of paying a "small fortune"?

Don't worry you guys are next with a residential tax. You guys need to pay for the library and public lighting too. Oh wait your not even living here. Must be great preaching the need to get our country out of a hole while not contributing to the task.

Bullseye1

Are people not sick of hearing the same auld "it's not my fault the country is in the state that its in, I only rented and took on no debt so why should I pay"...play another record because that one is beginning to jump. No tax payer is responsible for Anglos debts but we have been forced to pay them by FF. it's amazing how the political establishment has turned the people against each other while sneaking out the door on its belly.

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Given the very generous level of pensions in this country and the fact that the retired people will overwhelmingly have no mortgage to pay it shouldn't really be difficult in many cases. People tend to get richer as they get older and it would be a foolish person who arrived at retirement with nothing but the state pension to live on while being the owner outright of a private house.

Did you read through the act to form your interesting legal opinion?

Only partly true.

Many pensioners are assisting their out of work children and grandchildren to pay bills, mortgages etc because of the recession. I believe you will find very few comfortable "middle income" pensioners at the moment.
Assuming that just because their personal mortgages are paid they have it easy is not being realistic. Many were guarantors for their children's mortgages and now find themselves again paying. Generalizing is dangerous.

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Not as much as in the North under Sinn Fein where there is an upper limit of £400,000. People with houses worth millions pay the same as a person with a house worth £400,000. And they give allowances to landlords for their non family home. Here there is no upper limit, in fact houses worth over €1 million pay a higher percentage.

Could you stick to our own problems please.
You people compare when it suits but use the other side of the argument also when it suits. I am not interested in what Sinn Fein do. They are not running this country, that's Fine Gael/Labour at the moment.

tayto lover

MadYaker wrote: »

Its going to plug the massive hole in our public finances and to pay back all the money we got in the bailout. Along with all the other taxes they have brought in.

Anybody who expects to see a return in services is delusional.

And tayto lover, I have to ask, do you honestly believe that the government is paying people to post in this thread in support of this tax??? I hope for your sake that its a failed attempt at trolling. Although this dxhound2005 guy seems to be awfully fond of FG I doubt they're actually paying him to post here.

Also, I have been renting for the last couple of years and bar some miracle, like winning the lotto, I don't think I'll ever buy a house in this country.

To be honest with you I really think you must be a property/home owner to appreciate how people feel about a tax on their own home. Genuinely.

I actually do feel that there are people posting here on behalf of their party.

tayto lover

MadYaker wrote: »

You guys may think you're sticking it to the man but in reality all your doing is slowing the recovery process and dragging it out and forcing the government to find other ways to take money off you. I'm not some government shill I'm just trying to get my views across.

I agree with you and have never shopped in Newry although only about 10 miles from it.
However I will not condemn those who only have a small amount of cash left after bills and have to make it stretch for shopping in Sainsburys.

Banjo String

MadsL wrote: »

It's a tax, not a private transaction.

Did you expect landlords to get a refund on their taxes on income when the NPPR charge was brought in?

And your yearly charge is a tiny amount, nowhere near the Stamp Duty paid, so your analogy is completely misrepresentative.

At the time of purchase, stamp duty (paid in good faith might i add) was the equivalent of property tax/paid in lieu of a property tax.

You say you are living states side, do you recommend we emulate the us on all their other taxation policies, or just the ones you agree with, though they aren't even applicable to you?

MadsL

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Don't worry you guys are next with a residential tax. You guys need to pay for the library and public lighting too. Oh wait your not even living here. Must be great preaching the need to get our country out of a hole while not contributing to the task.

I paid taxes for 15 years.
I didn't swallow the property ladder bullshit, nor the only way is up bullshit so no bailout was needed for my financial decisions.
I actively campaigned against over development and by helping to stop out of control lunatic high-rise development probably help to reduce the hole slightly.
I tried to convince two colleagues not to buy in 2006 and got reamed out of it for being 'negative'.
Even though I stayed out of the property madness I got hit financially with loss of my job twice in 12 months and was forced to emigrate leaving my daughter behind.

...and you want me to feel bad about your miniscule property tax, try mine on for size - $2,500 a year. Contribute? You must be a comedian. You dug the hole, I didn't.

EDIT: Incidentally I was on Kildare Street the night of the bailout protesting it. I'm guessing you stayed in and watched TV.

tayto lover

Chinasea wrote: »

Totally, and further more as you say the naysayers have lined up here one after one, going round in circles moaning and crying and scheming as to how they can further contribute to the demise of their beloved country by inciting means of non compliance and other forms of tax evasion. Very patriotic indeed. We have had the starving children mentioned a few times and other tales of woe in this whinge fest. As you say Madsl - time that the definition of poverty was re-examined.

This is a long over due tax that should have been introduced many years ago, and hey, some of those naysayers on here might have thought twice about committing to crazy mortgages when they factored in their annual charge for property tax for services at their door step.

But unfortunately it took a full blown recession to bring it about.

Didn't Enda tell us it was not our fault live on t.v.

OOps but then he went out and told the Europeans that the Irish went mad. Either statement makes him a hypocrite.

PS

I didn't go mad. I only bought within my means and spent only what I could afford. No holidays, credit cards etc. BUT i'm still paying for the Bankers, Politicians, Speculators etc. Now that IS mad.

MadsL

SamHall wrote: »

At the time of purchase, stamp duty (paid in good faith might i add) was the equivalent of property tax/paid in lieu of a property tax.

That alone was a good reason to not buy Irish property. Talk about dead money.

You say you are living states side, do you recommend we emulate the us on all their other taxation policies, or just the ones you agree with, though they aren't even applicable to you?

What US taxation policies do you have a problem with? The locally paid property taxes and direct voting on local infrastructure bonds. The direct accountability (and election) of law enforcement sheriffs, fire chiefs and mayors?

Do enlighten me as to the evils of US taxation, all ears.

They may tax their emigrants, but at least they let them vote.

Banjo String

MadsL wrote: »

I
...and you want me to feel bad about your miniscule property tax, try mine on for size - $2,500 a year. Contribute? You must be a comedian. You dug the hole, I didn't.

Wait, your a tenant, & you have to pay property tax?

That'd never catch on in Ireland.

You realise how your argument has no relevance to Irish property tax, right?

suicide_circus

When is the residents tax for us renters expexted to kick in?

MadsL

SamHall wrote: »

Wait, your a tenant, & you have to pay property tax?

That'd never catch on in Ireland.

You realise how your argument has no relevance to Irish property tax, right?

You might try reading my posts more closely.

And Ireland has always had property taxes, just someone else has been paying them for you for the past 35 years.

MadsL

suicide_circus wrote: »

When is the residents tax for us renters expexted to kick in?

Round about the time when your reading comprehension improves.

Banjo String

MadsL wrote: »

You might try reading my posts more closely.

I can read just fine thanks.

Mistakes happen though, and if I missed your post stating that you owned your own property in the states, please forgive me.

If you are a tenant though, my argument stands.

MadsL wrote: »

And Ireland has always had property taxes, just someone else has been paying them for you for the past 35 years.

Please enlighten me on this, who has being paying on my behalf?

Bullseye1

I dug no hole. I'm paying my taxes and still contributing to the Irish economy. So you will forgive me while I disregard your whining across the pond.

MadsL wrote: »

I paid taxes for 15 years.
I didn't swallow the property ladder bullshit, nor the only way is up bullshit so no bailout was needed for my financial decisions.
I actively campaigned against over development and by helping to stop out of control lunatic high-rise development probably help to reduce the hole slightly.
I tried to convince two colleagues not to buy in 2006 and got reamed out of it for being 'negative'.
Even though I stayed out of the property madness I got hit financially with loss of my job twice in 12 months and was forced to emigrate leaving my daughter behind.

...and you want me to feel bad about your miniscule property tax, try mine on for size - $2,500 a year. Contribute? You must be a comedian. You dug the hole, I didn't.

EDIT: Incidentally I was on Kildare Street the night of the bailout protesting it. I'm guessing you stayed in and watched TV.

clairefontaine

MadsL wrote: »

I paid taxes for 15 years.
I didn't swallow the property ladder bullshit, nor the only way is up bullshit so no bailout was needed for my financial decisions.
I actively campaigned against over development and by helping to stop out of control lunatic high-rise development probably help to reduce the hole slightly.
I tried to convince two colleagues not to buy in 2006 and got reamed out of it for being 'negative'.
Even though I stayed out of the property madness I got hit financially with loss of my job twice in 12 months and was forced to emigrate leaving my daughter behind.

...and you want me to feel bad about your miniscule property tax, try mine on for size - $2,500 a year. Contribute? You must be a comedian. You dug the hole, I didn't.

EDIT: Incidentally I was on Kildare Street the night of the bailout protesting it. I'm guessing you stayed in and watched TV.

Your property taxes in the US are going to schools and public services and infrastructure. Irish property taxes are going to the IMF.

It sucks that you had to emigrate and leave your daughter behind. Family ruptures are one of the nastiest bi products of this mess.

Chinasea

tayto lover wrote: »

Didn't Enda tell us it was not our fault live on t.v.

OOps but then he went out and told the Europeans that the Irish went mad. Either statement makes him a hypocrite.

PS

I didn't go mad. I only bought within my means and spent only what I could afford. No holidays, credit cards etc. BUT i'm still paying for the Bankers, Politicians, Speculators etc. Now that IS mad.

Oh gawd, here we go again, de bankers, de bankers de bankers and the other equally as useful roll outs, de politicians, de speculators, yada yada yada. And as for Enda Kenny, who voted for him? who voted for FF 90 million times in a row? The whinge fest mé féiner's.

Get proactive in your community. Do something useful instead of whining - it will all help.

Banjo String

Chinasea wrote: »

I'd just be interested to know: Name one proactive contribution you have made to your local community besides emptying your 'tayto bags in the recycling bin.

I can't speak for Tayto, but personally I volunteer 1 day a week in my local tidy town organisation.

We do what the council won't.

username123

MadsL wrote: »

I paid taxes for 15 years.

Impossible to take someone pontificating across the pond seriously, you have no idea of what things are like for people in Ireland. Its very easy to be fully in favour of something that will never affect you.

Chinasea

SamHall wrote: »

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We do what the council won't.

Who's fault is that? What are you doing about that?

Chinasea

username123 wrote: »

Impossible to take someone pontificating across the pond seriously, you have no idea of what things are like for people in Ireland. Its very easy to be fully in favour of something that will never affect you.

How blo*dy ridicules. Typical myopic attitude and pretty much sums up this whole 'I didn't wreck the place so it's my right to wreck it even further' attitude.