People who drive at 80kph on good 100kph National roads

Sesshoumaru

Del2005 wrote: »

When should Motor Tax, which is supposed to fund local needs, pay for car charging points? The people who drive electric vehicle should be paying for it, just like people who drive ICE vehicles have to pay for the dispensing facilities in the cost of their fuel.

People have a need for local charging stations. Electricity is paid for as well. That's how electricity users fund the infrastructure that gets the electricity from the power stations to our computers, fridges, cars etc

Del2005

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

People have a need for local charging stations. Electricity is paid for as well. That's how electricity users fund the infrastructure that gets the electricity from the power stations to our computers, fridges, cars etc

I agree with electricity users funding electrical provisioning. What I don't like is the idea the ICE motorists pay for the installation of infrastructure for electrical motorists, especially with a tax that was supposed to be used to provide services for the local community.

The provision of electrical charging points is a problem, not enough charging points so no one buys the vehicles which means no one installs them, but the provision of charging points for private vehicles isn't a local council concern.

Peanut2011

Del2005 wrote: »

If you drive a car that's not capable of doing 100km/h then there's something dangerously wrong with the car. It's not safe to be on the roads at any speed.

Having a car capable of doing those speeds and having a car capable of safely doing those speeds is two different things. Not everyone drives huge engine cars...

In any case, the speed limit is maximum allowed but your speed should be the one that is safe depending on the circumstances!

And I will give you examples, cars with small engine and 4 people in the car, car with small children in the car, foggy weather, heavy rain, roads covered in debris and or mud from other vehicles, roads with a lot of fallen leafs and so on...

Furthermore, you have people who are not that experienced, on unfamiliar road, with slower reflexes due to their age, with weaker eye sight....

I am more worried about the idiots that thing the speed limit is some sort of a target speed or minimum speed they must do!!

September1

Del2005 wrote: »

When should Motor Tax, which is supposed to fund local needs, pay for car charging points? The people who drive electric vehicle should be paying for it, just like people who drive ICE vehicles have to pay for the dispensing facilities in the cost of their fuel.

Electric energy in this country still mainly comes from fossil fuel powered stations so all an electric vehicle does is move the pollution, considering the extra resources needed to manufacture electric cars and the Chinese lack of environmental protection, I doubt they are much cleaner than a modern ICE vehicle.

It is not about fairness, saving polar bears and so on. OP has asked why people drive slowly, and I provided him with info why EV drivers sometimes goes pretty slow. I also mentioned one possible solution, not necessarily best one.

Sesshoumaru

Del2005 wrote: »

I agree with electricity users funding electrical provisioning. What I don't like is the idea the ICE motorists pay for the installation of infrastructure for electrical motorists, especially with a tax that was supposed to be used to provide services for the local community.

The provision of electrical charging points is a problem, not enough charging points so no one buys the vehicles which means no one installs them, but the provision of charging points for private vehicles isn't a local council concern.

As far as I know it all just goes in to one big melting pot of central tax funds. If there is no legislation to ring fence it, then it's not intended specifically for anything.

Lack of Fast Charging Infrastructure for EV's is definitely a reason a lot of EV owners drive slower. We have only around 12 Fast Chargers serving all of Dublin and maybe 30 to 35 for the whole country. That compares with Estonia (Population 1.28 million) which has 165 covering the entire coutry.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/justingerdes/2013/02/26/estonia-launches-nationwide-electric-vehicle-fast-charging-network/

The network of 165 DC (direct current) quick-charging stations, produced and installed by Swiss engineering giant ABB, are strategically dispersed across the country. Along highways, the stations are no more than 60 kilometers (37 miles) apart, installed at gas stations, cafes, shops, and other high-visibility spots.

In towns, stations are installed at shopping centers, gas stations, post offices, banks, and parking lots. Every city of more than 5,000 inhabitants hosts at least one station; the capital, Tallinn, population 423,000, hosts 27 stations. The quick-charging stations can deliver a 90% charge to the battery in less than 30 minutes, according to KredEx, the national foundation that operates the EV network.

I'm sure there are lots of reasons ICE owners drive slowly, but that's a perspective on why EV owners sometimes have to drive slowly. No charging infrastructure or no guarantee access to the charger won't be blocked by an ICE car. Drive slower and increase range or drive faster and take a chance you won't be able to use charger.

creedp

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

Drive slower and increase range or drive faster and take a chance you won't be able to use charger.

Not a great marketing slogan

Macy0161

freedominacup wrote: »

That said the driver most unlikely to hold you up in my experience is a truck driver.

They love hogging the overtaking lane, at their limited speed, on the M11 and the two lane stretch of the M50, just about going faster than the driving lane.

Sesshoumaru

creedp wrote: »

Not a great marketing slogan

It's not a marketing slogan. Charging bays (particular standard chargers) get ICE'd quite frequently. It's a new concept in the country, so it's not too surprising. Like drink driving & speeding, attitudes will change over time. We've got out own legislation in the pipe works similar to this:

http://www.torquenews.com/1075/washington-state-fine-gas-car-drivers-who-block-electric-car-charging-station-access

kidneyfan

It is called a speed LIMIT for a reason.
On certain American roads there is a minimum speed. That might be a good idea.

In America if more than a certain number of cars are behind you you have to pull over to allow them to pass.

Chemical Burn

kidneyfan wrote: »

In America if more than a certain number of cars are behind you you have to pull over to allow them to pass.

Why isn't that the case here?

Why do the RSA hammer you for progress if you drive too slow in the test and on the other hand they are paying that clown Gaybo to tell us to slow down it makes no ****ing sense whatsoever. It's an absolute fact that there are only a fraction of accidents per driver kilometer on the Autobahn in Germany, despite the fact that there are no speed limits on the majority of the Autobhans, whereas there are ridiculous speed limits of 100 kph on the M50 here and we have more accidents.

Why is the speed limit on the M50 only 100 kph?

Why is the speed limit form the Airport into town only 80 kph on a perfect 3-lane-either-side road?? (It is NOT because of the roadworks, because those ridiculous speed limits have existed before the roadworks and they are in place on a stretch well after the roadwork section.

If someone can give me a good reason for the question I have posted in bold, you will become an honorary member of Ireland be granted the key to the city.

Not literally of course :P

dr.fuzzenstein

Peanut2011 wrote: »

Having a car capable of doing those speeds and having a car capable of safely doing those speeds is two different things. Not everyone drives huge engine cars...

In any case, the speed limit is maximum allowed but your speed should be the one that is safe depending on the circumstances!

And I will give you examples, cars with small engine and 4 people in the car, car with small children in the car, foggy weather, heavy rain, roads covered in debris and or mud from other vehicles, roads with a lot of fallen leafs and so on...

Furthermore, you have people who are not that experienced, on unfamiliar road, with slower reflexes due to their age, with weaker eye sight....

I am more worried about the idiots that thing the speed limit is some sort of a target speed or minimum speed they must do!!

OK, if your car is not capable of doing 100 km/h safely, I can only assume you're driving something like a 1953 Morris Minor. Otherwise that argument is bullcrap.
Also, if you're thinking of 100 km/h as some kind of lunatic, mad, screaming speed at which bits fall off the car as the flux capacitor is ready to kick in, you must be either 90 years old or suffer from some kind of handicap. Either way, not fit to be on the road.
Anyways, this thread has delivered exactly what I thought it would do, the 60 km/h brigade telling the rest of us we're all lunatics with a deathwish and us telling them (as usual) you won't immediately die if you go above that and drive at a sensible and still legal speed.

Chemical Burn

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

OK, if your car is not capable of doing 100 km/h safely, I can only assume you're driving something like a 1953 Morris Minor. Otherwise that argument is bullcrap.
Also, if you're thinking of 100 km/h as some kind of lunatic, mad, screaming speed at which bits fall off the car as the flux capacitor is ready to kick in, you must be either 90 years old or suffer from some kind of handicap. Either way, not fit to be on the road.
Anyways, this thread has delivered exactly what I thought it would do, the 60 km/h brigade telling the rest of us we're all lunatics with a deathwish and us telling them (as usual) you won't immediately die if you go above that and drive at a sensible and still legal speed.

Hear, hear.

simply simple

blindside88 wrote: »

I think he's giving out about car drivers, but just out of interest would you move into the hard shoulder to let cars past?

You are free to overtake by driving into the hard shoulder, no one is free to read your mind or speed and act accordingly just to make YOUR life easy :rolleyes:

charlemont

Chemical Burn wrote: »

Why isn't that the case here?

Why do the RSA hammer you for progress if you drive too slow in the test and on the other hand they are paying that clown Gaybo to tell us to slow down it makes no ****ing sense whatsoever. It's an absolute fact that there are only a fraction of accidents per driver kilometer on the Autobahn in Germany, despite the fact that there are no speed limits on the majority of the Autobhans, whereas there are ridiculous speed limits of 100 kph on the M50 here and we have more accidents.

Why is the speed limit on the M50 only 100 kph?

Why is the speed limit form the Airport into town only 80 kph on a perfect 3-lane-either-side road?? (It is NOT because of the roadworks, because those ridiculous speed limits have existed before the roadworks and they are in place on a stretch well after the roadwork section.

If someone can give me a good reason for the question I have posted in bold, you will become an honorary member of Ireland be granted the key to the city.

Not literally of course :P

All your questions can be answered by this one comment, Its the Irish way !!!

dr.fuzzenstein

charlemont wrote: »

All your questions can be answered by this one comment, Its the Irish way !!!

Yep, to deliberatley do it the wrong way and be proud of it.

born2bwild

Whoever you were doing 70kph on the 100kph stretch of the N81 today - it's the pedal under your right foot - push it down a bit.

Peanut2011

born2bwild wrote: »

Whoever you were doing 70kph on the 100kph stretch of the N81 today - it's the pedal under your right foot - push it down a bit.

Ah don't tell me you were stuck behind that car too!!! It was Volvo if I remember correctly!

Maybe he just thought he was still in the parade!

haminka

Just one question - why don't people who are so infuriated by other drivers' driving way too slow don't overtake them? Let me guess - their driving skills don't go beyond driving fast, flashing lights at you and literally pushing you off the road. The expectation that the driver in the slower car will feck off your way into the hard shoulder seems to be specific for Ireland and it's absolutely moronic. Hard shoulder isn't for driving, it's for stopping your car in emergency. It's not another lane. If you get stuck behind a slower car, wait till you can overtake and then do so.

CiniO

haminka wrote: »

Just one question - why don't people who are so infuriated by other drivers' driving way too slow don't overtake them? Let me guess - their driving skills don't go beyond driving fast, flashing lights at you and literally pushing you off the road. The expectation that the driver in the slower car will feck off your way into the hard shoulder seems to be specific for Ireland and it's absolutely moronic. Hard shoulder isn't for driving, it's for stopping your car in emergency. It's not another lane. If you get stuck behind a slower car, wait till you can overtake and then do so.

Because most Irish people drive engines of 1.4 or smaller.
And those who own newer cars, drive small diesels which are also far from being quick.
Tax regime has made huge harm to motoring in this country in relation to what people drive.

haminka

CiniO wrote: »

Because most Irish people drive engines of 1.4 or smaller.
And those who own newer cars, drive small diesels which are also far from being quick.
Tax regime has made huge harm to motoring in this country in relation to what people drive.

I always drive at the speed limit and while I'm not driving a big diesel, mine's 1.8, the car enjoys higher speeds. Yet I know there will be people driving more slowly, especially outside in Dublin, because: Paddy the farmer took his missus to the Sunday mass and some shopping, someone just got her/his driving licence and they are still trying to get their head around the traffic, someone's just trying to save some fuel. If I can I overtake them, if I can't, I'm just driving behind them at a safe distance and bide my time. In my experience people driving like they have a dying person in the back are rarely in a rush, they are just bullies, behind the wheels and in real life.

Squatman

Thatnastyboy wrote: »

Well remember, you're entitled to do 100km/h, they're just as entitled to do 80km/h. No obligation to pull over etc,

Yes there is an onus to pull over, there is a law stating that the driver must drive with due consideration for other road users, this includes pulling in to avoid excessive tailbacks,

Farmer and Bus driver had his licence removed for 2 years for holding up 25 vehicles in his tractor. same principle, only slower speeds

Mycroft H

Squatman wrote: »

Yes there is an onus to pull over, there is a law stating that the driver must drive with due consideration for other road users, this includes pulling in to avoid excessive tailbacks,

Farmer and Bus driver had his licence removed for 2 years for holding up 25 vehicles in his tractor. same principle, only slower speeds

I can hardly believe he had his licence revoked? Seems a bit excessive when drink drivers often just get a 200 euro fine and three points on their licence.

Peanut2011

Squatman wrote: »

Farmer and Bus driver had his licence removed for 2 years for holding up 25 vehicles in his tractor. same principle, only slower speeds

Link to the story or it did not happen!!

TheChizler

Peanut2011 wrote: »

Link to the story or it did not happen!!

Think it's been linked a couple of times. That was a case of driving at around 40-50, => major speed difference when coming upon that queue from hundred. 80+ queue not as dangerous to come upon as the relative speeds are smaller.

renofan

born2bwild wrote: »

Whoever you were doing 70kph on the 100kph stretch of the N81 today - it's the pedal under your right foot - push it down a bit.

I absolutely hate the N81. Between Blessington and Brittas on Sunday I came on a dark green starlet being driven almost on the centre divison at 60kph! Traffic coming the other way meant I couldn't pass so I flashed my light a few times but she (it was a woman driver) acted as if i wasn't there. I eventually passed and the way she looked behind the wheel I'd say she shouldn't be on the road at all. I normally insist to the missus if we are going into Dublin to go into Naas and go in by the N7 as I hate that road. We only live about 2km from the N81.

markpb

TheChizler wrote: »

Think it's been linked a couple of times. That was a case of driving at around 40-50, => major speed difference when coming upon that queue from hundred. 80+ queue not as dangerous to come upon as the relative speeds are smaller.

I presume this is it?

A Tullow man who caused a tailback of up to forty vehicles because he wouldn't pull his tractor and trailer to the side of the road was fined ?150 in Carlow District Court last week. [...] She said that there were about twelve vehicles behind him and that he was travelling at about ten or fifteen miles per hour. She said that the defendant failed to pull in to let cars past when a number of opportunities arose and she added that when he did finally pull in there were thirty or forty vehicles behind him.
The driving disqualification was mitigated on appeal to just a disqualification from driving his tractor, but the original disqualification was believed to be a landmark decision. As far as Noel Gibbons is concerned, it goes back to consideration for all users of the road.

Or maybe this?

The judge disqualified a Newport farmer, Michael Nevin, from driving for one year when he failed to pull in to let a backlog of cars pass his tractor, which he was driving home from Balla Mart. He was fined on the spot by a Garda, but non-payment of that fine led him to court, where Judge Devins accused him of ‘arrogance’.

Thatnastyboy

Squatman wrote: »

Yes there is an onus to pull over, there is a law stating that the driver must drive with due consideration for other road users, this includes pulling in to avoid excessive tailbacks,

Farmer and Bus driver had his licence removed for 2 years for holding up 25 vehicles in his tractor. same principle, only slower speeds

Whoa now,

Not the same principle at all,

I've never heard of anyone lose their licence for doing 80km/h on a National road.

Driving at 80km/h in a 100 zone is not driving 'without due consideration' - driving at slow tractor speeds (+-20km/h) could be deemed to be. depending on who's calling it.

KT10

Came back to Dublin on the N4 yesterday, 1 car driving no quicker then 80kph caused a back log of at least 50 cars, after 40km of this people were losing the plot and doing some very stupid moves to get by him, fella (early fifties I'd guess) was looking around like he hadn't a care in the world, oblivious to the chaos he was causing behind him.

While I realise people doing silly **** to overtake him is their decision, the fact he was being a prat didn't help, in other countries (as previously mentioned) he'd have been pulled and given a ticket for failure to make progress.

In my imagination, I'd have lit the blues & twos, clubbed him over the head for being a tool then high-fived everyone as they overtook and accelerated to normal driving speed.

TGi666

I haven't read the whole thread but lately at least once a day I'm getting stuck behind people who do 60kph every where
60 in a 80, 60 in a 50, well you get the idea.

Peanut2011

TGi666 wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread but lately at least once a day I'm getting stuck behind people who do 60kph every where
60 in a 80, 60 in a 50, well you get the idea.

How are you stuck behind??? Surely they should be far away from you as you are doing the max legal limit (highlighted part)?

StompToWork

Chemical Burn wrote: »

Why isn't that the case here?

Why do the RSA hammer you for progress if you drive too slow in the test and on the other hand they are paying that clown Gaybo to tell us to slow down it makes no ****ing sense whatsoever. It's an absolute fact that there are only a fraction of accidents per driver kilometer on the Autobahn in Germany, despite the fact that there are no speed limits on the majority of the Autobhans, whereas there are ridiculous speed limits of 100 kph on the M50 here and we have more accidents.

Why is the speed limit on the M50 only 100 kph?

Why is the speed limit form the Airport into town only 80 kph on a perfect 3-lane-either-side road?? (It is NOT because of the roadworks, because those ridiculous speed limits have existed before the roadworks and they are in place on a stretch well after the roadwork section.

If someone can give me a good reason for the question I have posted in bold, you will become an honorary member of Ireland be granted the key to the city.

Not literally of course :P

I'll give it a go. *Ahem*
Why isn't that the case here?
Perhaps you should attempt to lobby your TD.

Why do the RSA hammer you for progress if you drive too slow in the test and on the other hand they are paying that clown Gaybo to tell us to slow down it makes no ****ing sense whatsoever.
There is a BIG difference between staying with the traffic around you and Speeding. If you are too cautious in your approach to driving, you can cause more congestion and hassle than you think.

Why is the speed limit on the M50 only 100 kph?
Simply because of volume of traffic. The M50 isn't your typical motorway. There are more cars in closer proximity to each other than any other motorway in the country. With more people driving, comes more of a potential for someone to make a mistake. Having a lower speed limit reduces the fallout if somone makes a mistake and an accident happens. Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable driving at 120 with cars either side of me, ahead and behind.

Why is the speed limit form the Airport into town only 80 kph on a perfect 3-lane-either-side road??
Again, volume. Airport to city. Loads of jetlagged people just off flights operating a motor vehicle? Loads of people who left too late rushing to get to the airport to catch their flight while making sure they have their passport and tickets? Not really conducive to focused driving.

dr.fuzzenstein

markpb wrote: »

I presume this is it?


Or maybe this?

And even this:
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5900&Itemid=26
(apologies if it's been posted before)

Seweryn

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And even this:
http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5900&Itemid=26
(apologies if it's been posted before)

The way the national courts operate in this country is just insane. You can be banned for driving too slowly. Or... if you drive like an absolute eedjit and as a result you kill another road user while being a criminal with 49 previous convictions, you walk free from court.

Something is definitely not right here...

SV

Some of ye are too much of a laugh.

Cos 80km/h is far too slow and anyone who prefers to drive at that speed on 100km/h roads is part of the '60km/h brigade'.
Oh the logic of it all.


I prefer to drive at that speed because it saves a considerable amount of fuel if I do so. If you don't want to, then overtake me.
Unless you're doing considerable distances you're not going to arrive that much quicker than me anyway.


Get over it.

TGi666

Peanut2011 wrote: »

How are you stuck behind??? Surely they should be far away from you as you are doing the max legal limit (highlighted part)?

usually happens where there is no opportunity to overtake then the gain ground through 50 zones then its usually back behind them a few minutes later

Chemical Burn

StompToWork wrote: »

Why is the speed limit form the Airport into town only 80 kph on a perfect 3-lane-either-side road??
Again, volume. Airport to city. Loads of jetlagged people just off flights operating a motor vehicle? Loads of people who left too late rushing to get to the airport to catch their flight while making sure they have their passport and tickets? Not really conducive to focused driving.

But why should proper drivers and normal people have to suffer as a result. I drive this route very, very, very regularly and it is annoying. Why can't we have auto-limits like Germany. The speed limits (or speed limit free) is assigned based on a sensor which detects how many cars are on the road.

dr.fuzzenstein

SV wrote: »

Some of ye are too much of a laugh.

Cos 80km/h is far too slow and anyone who prefers to drive at that speed on 100km/h roads is part of the '60km/h brigade'.
Oh the logic of it all.


I prefer to drive at that speed because it saves a considerable amount of fuel if I do so. If you don't want to, then overtake me.
Unless you're doing considerable distances you're not going to arrive that much quicker than me anyway.


Get over it.

Just pull over before the tailback reaches 30 cars or more...

Chemical Burn

If I'm not capable of lugging a bag of spuds, I won't. Same logic.

SV

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Just pull over before the tailback reaches 30 cars or more...

I drive to the left of the road, if your car is too slow to overtake or the road isn't wide enough then that's too bad really.

I've never noticed any kind of a tailback whilst driving at that speed either, I'd pull over if I was causing one.

Chemical Burn wrote: »

If I'm not capable of lugging a bag of spuds, I won't. Same logic.

You do realise that that is supportive of the people who you've been arguing against?

Chemical Burn

SV wrote: »

You do realise that that is supportive of the people who you've been arguing against?

No. I'm saying if I'm not capable of lugging the bag, I won't make a half-arsed effort at doing it slowly, I will simply sit back and let the professionals do it.

SV

Chemical Burn wrote: »

No. I'm saying if I'm not capable of lugging the bag, I won't make a half-arsed effort at doing it slowly, I will simply sit back and let the professionals do it.

So basically, if someone's car isn't capable of driving safely at 100km/h (which I find hard to believe, but anyway) you think they should stay off the roads, at least, the 100km/h ones? That is, rather than driving at 80km/h ?

Chemical Burn

SV wrote: »

So basically, if someone's car isn't capable of driving safely at 100km/h (which I find hard to believe, but anyway) you think they should stay off the roads, at least, the 100km/h ones? That is, rather than driving at 80km/h ?

No, drive the limit, but by all means you can still drive, even if you are not capable of driving the limit, but keep your eyes and ears peeled for flashing lights and horns beeping and move aside immediately to let normal people drive without hindrance.

SV

Chemical Burn wrote: »

No, drive the limit, but by all means you can still drive, even if you are not capable of driving the limit, but keep your eyes and ears peeled for flashing lights and horns beeping and move aside immediately to let normal people drive without hindrance.

Ah right, then that logic with the bag of spuds doesn't really apply at all.

Jimmy Garlic

BX 19 wrote: »

I drive at 80km/h cos I feel like it.

You are a public nuisance.

SV

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

You are a public nuisance.

How is he?

Chemical Burn

SV wrote: »

How is he?

Causing an obstruction

Deliverance XXV

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

You are a public nuisance.

Rubbish.

I personally keep to the speed limit when I can but nobody else will dictate my speed, once it is within the confines of the law. If you want to drive faster and you encounter slow drivers regularly then leave your house earlier and just enjoy the poxy drive.

The absolute arrogance from some people on this thread is mind-blowing - Calling people nuisances and morons just because people don't subscribe to their way of driving or don't drive the way they do.

Chemical Burn

Deliverance XXV wrote: »

then leave your house earlier

This really fucking irks me to bastardin bits. It's not always possible to leave early, not everyone goes from house to arbitrary location. Some of us will be picking up other friends and then moving on elsewhere.

What if I am rushing into hospital to my wife in labour?

A dying friend or family?

I left early but was delayed by a tractor before seeing you??

Cop on

SV

Chemical Burn wrote: »

Causing an obstruction

lol, he's not causing an obstruction. He's driving at a slower speed but still making progress.

Chemical Burn wrote: »

This really fucking irks me to bastardin bits. It's not always possible to leave early, not everyone goes from house to arbitrary location. Some of us will be picking up other friends and then moving on elsewhere.

What if I am rushing into hospital to my wife in labour?

A dying friend or family?

I left early but was delayed by a tractor before seeing you??

Cop on

If ANY of those were the case and you were genuinely in a rush then you'd be breaking the speed limit and overtaking left right and centre, so this is completely irrelevant.
Likewise, cop on.

Chemical Burn

SV wrote: »

lol, he's not causing an obstruction. He's driving at a slower speed but still making progress.



If ANY of those were the case and you were genuinely in a rush then you'd be breaking the speed limit and overtaking left right and centre, so this is completely irrelevant.
Likewise, cop on.

He is driving slower than normal people.