Planning Permission Given For New Dublin Mosque

old hippy

Hitchens wrote: »

show us where in the post do I mention 'Irish muslims'?

Doesn't really matter. You've shown yourself for what you really are.

Get back on topic, if you dare.

Nodin

Hitchens wrote: »

show us where in the post do I mention 'Irish muslims'?

It's obvious by implication.

If the mosque is put "out, out, out" as you so eloquently put it, who is going to be affected ?

(a) Mexican muslims
(b)Italian muslims
(c)Irish muslims.

Obviously its (c).

Hitchens

Nodin wrote: »

It's obvious by implication.

If the mosque is put "out, out, out" as you so eloquently put it, who is going to be affected ?

(a) Mexican muslims
(b)Italian muslims
(c)Irish muslims.

Obviously its (c).

again, where in the post do I mention 'Irish muslims'?

old hippy

Hitchens wrote: »

again, where in the post do I mention 'Irish muslims'?

Does it matter? You're a pathetic biggot who's been rumbled and now you're desperately trying to cling onto the thread over one quibble.

Tch.

Nodin

Hitchens wrote: »

again, where in the post do I mention 'Irish muslims'?

If theres anything in the comprehensive answer you don't understand, please quote it and I'll be more than glad to explain.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83636790&postcount=603

Hitchens

old hippy wrote: »

Does it matter? You're a pathetic biggot who's been rumbled and now you're desperately trying to cling onto the thread over one quibble.

Tch.

yourself and your pal have been filleted on this thread ...over and over

Nodin

Hitchens wrote: »

yourself and your pal have been filleted on this thread ...over and over

Do please give reasons why the new mosque shouldn't go ahead, seeing as you're so interested.

studiorat

Nodin wrote: »

They aren't, its the UAE.

The literature says

Funding for the development has been promised by 10 wealthy individuals as well as charitable organisations in the Middle East.

You're not the slightest bit curious?

Nodin

studiorat wrote: »

The literature says

You're not the slightest bit curious?

Not really. Once they operate in accordance with the laws of the land, its fairly irrelevant.

old hippy

Hitchens wrote: »

yourself and your pal have been filleted on this thread ...over and over

Um, no. You, however, have been shown up as a biggot.

You've never met or worked with or loved someone outside of your myopic little corner, have you?

Why the hatred? Seriously?

I mean, I get the Hitchens thing and all but how about some independent thought of your own?

Dyr

old hippy wrote: »

Ah equating a belief system with a group. Nice try.

Isn't that what you and your fellow Islamphobes are doing, though?

Try harder.

My fellow? address the poster old boy

old hippy

Bambi wrote: »

My fellow? address the poster old boy

....

Hitchens

old hippy wrote: »

Um, no. You, however, have been shown up as a biggot.

You've never met or worked with or loved someone outside of your myopic little corner, have you?

Why the hatred? Seriously?

I mean, I get the Hitchens thing and all but how about some independent thought of your own?

when you stoop to the personal insults, as you have done, you've lost the debate

old hippy

Hitchens wrote: »

when you stoop to the personal insults, as you have done, you've lost the debate

Like the way you mentioned someones daughter being beaten up by your strawman Muslim?

Lovely. Way ahead of you, Hitchens. Waaay ahead.

AlekSmart

old hippy wrote: »

Links to the systematic abuse of hundreds of thousands over the years in Ireland at the hands of the Catholic Church?

I think I'd break the internet if I tried!

Link away sez I,the Internet is a robust place.....

I'm assuming you shall be linking to accounts of proven systematic abuse as opposed to accusations of the same ?

It's worth also pointing out that the Mosque included in this latest development will bring the total of Mosques in Ireland to 37 according to the ICCI.

The Irish Times article delves a little deeper into some of the issues surrounding the development...

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/commercial-property-and-construction/40m-islamic-centre-for-clongriffin-1.520766

I note the terminonlgy regarding the finance ...

Funding for the development has been promised by 10 wealthy individuals as well as charitable organisations in the Middle East.

I would indeed be interested to learn the names of the 10 "Wealthy Individuals" and the "Charitable organizations" mentioned.

I am assuming that this "promissory" arrangement is the equivalent of secured-funding in our society ?

Once the centre has been developed, it will be capable of accommodating up to 5,000 people at any one time. The new campus will also include 147 houses and apartments.

Gannon Developments, whose loans are currently managed by Nama, is awaiting planning permission for 147 houses close to the six-acre site. Nama will have to give its approval for the Islamic centre. Only about one-third of the 3,678 new homes already approved for the Clongriffin area have so far been built, while no more than 20 per cent of the commercial projects have also been completed. Building operations in the area have virtually ground to a halt since the collapse of the property industry.

There is considerable optimism among those associated with the proposed Islamic centre that if it works out successfully “it could put Ireland in a very favourable position in the Muslim world and lead to significant inward investment”.

The above quotation represents a somewhat more secular viewpoint,with at least a nod in the direction of a bit of property and development horse-trading which has yet to be undertaken.

It can also be seen that the numbers being spoken of in relation to this development lift it from being merely "one mosque".....

But the final remark also appears to indicate some form of parallell thrust to align Islam the religion with Islamic Business Interests as if to offer an inducement to the impoverished Irish to adopt a more benign,pragmatic attitude to the development as a whole ?

studiorat

Nodin wrote: »

Not really. Once they operate in accordance with the laws of the land, its fairly irrelevant.

Doesn't matter where the money is coming from then does it? A particularly Irish trait perhaps.

Anyhow, you reckon this guy operates in accordance with Irish law? He's speaking in relation to homosexuals btw.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21068_Al-Qaradawi-_Kerry_Was_Supported_by_Homosexuals_and_Nudists

The schools of thought disagree about the punishment. Some say they should be punished like fornicators, and then we distinguish between married and unmarried men, and between married and unmarried women. Some say both should be punished the same way. Some say we should throw them from a high place, like God did with the people of Sodom. Some say we should burn them, and so on. There is disagreement.

Hitchens

old hippy wrote: »

Like the way you mentioned someones daughter being beaten up by your strawman Muslim?

.

you're really struggling now

Nodin

studiorat wrote: »

Doesn't matter where the money is coming from then does it? A particularly Irish trait perhaps.

Anyhow, you reckon this guy operates in accordance with Irish law?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21068_Al-Qaradawi-_Kerry_Was_Supported_by_Homosexuals_and_Nudists

Why do you presume he'd be allowed in? Why do you presume he'd speak there? Whence the pre-emptive moral panic? Do you think he'd be allowed persecute gay people?

dr.bollocko

Right.

Time to draw this utter car-crash to an end.

My eyeballs are bleeding from reading the last few pages.