Manchester United vs Chelsea Match Thread. FA Cup 10/3/2013. ko 16.30 ITV.

GavRedKing

Fergie's cracking up, he's cracking up, he's cracking, Fergie's cracking up. :pac:

Essien

GavRedKing wrote: »

Fergie's cracking up, he's cracking up, he's cracking, Fergie's cracking up. :pac:

Rafa is clearly getting under his skin, so much so that I would say Chelsea now have a genuine psychological advantage over United in the race for fourth.

GavRedKing

Essien wrote: »

Rafa is clearly getting under his skin, so much so that I would say Chelsea now have a genuine psychological advantage over United in the race for fourth.

I reckon we'll just pip them to 4th, that'll teach 'um. :pac:

PhlegmyMoses

Leiva wrote: »

Look its plain to see who the hypocrite is:

from 1:00 on...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ3ImcT17mg

Look there is no denying Ferguson's ability as a manger but the past couple of years have not been kind to him with regrards of having egg on his face on a few occasions now with his hypocrisy.
And it is O.K to call him up on his hypocrisy you know.
No one is perfect.

If you don't wanna shake hands so be it, but don't make a big issue out of it previously.

I'm sorry, we seem to be all forgetting the part where Luis Suarez racially abused a black man, went to an FA hearing and was banned for 8 games based on this evidence and then refused to shake his victim's hand.

Ferguson was accused of systemic cheating by Benitez based on absolutely nothing with no proof to speak of, as were the FA and the elite group of refs - how did he not get a lengthy ban for this btw?, and we're supposed to pretend that these two incidents are similar? Go home Liverpool fans, you're drunk.

PhlegmyMoses

niallo27 wrote: »

What cheating this he accuse him of. All the points he made were clear facts.

That kool-aid sure tastes nice

kryogen

niallo27 wrote: »

In his own words he is a disgrace to Manchester United football club.

Drivel

:rolleyes:

The two situations are quite different, Suarez and Evra were supposed to shake hands to put the issue to bed for the English public, for the league and for the clubs.

It had been agreed, by everybody that a handshake would take place, Suarez agreed to this. The fact that he told his manager and other higher ups that he would do this and then went back on his word is what made him a disgrace to Liverpool football club.

If you genuinely fail to see a difference in the situations then fine, I couldn't be arsed making it any more obvious but spare the tripe please.

For the record, I am in the camp of you should shake hands with who you want and you shouldn't have to shake hands with someone you don't want to.

There are certain exceptions, such as if two parties agree to shake hands for instance to put an issue to bed, but by and large its a load of media bull**** and I couldn't care less whether players or managers shake hands really. Particularly the pre match one between the players.

If they wanna shake hands or whatever at the end of the game then great, but forcing them to line up and shake everybody's hand is stupid to me.

The_Kew_Tour

So Chelsea v Manchester United.....

niallo27

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

I'm sorry, we seem to be all forgetting the part where Luis Suarez racially abused a black man, went to an FA hearing and was banned for 8 games based on this evidence and then refused to shake his victim's hand.

Ferguson was accused of systemic cheating by Benitez based on absolutely nothing with no proof to speak of, as were the FA and the elite group of refs - how did he not get a lengthy ban for this btw?, and we're supposed to pretend that these two incidents are similar? Go home Liverpool fans, you're drunk.

I'll ask you again what cheating did he accuse him of. Didn't Ferguson call him unstable and other insults. If Rafa can get over it why can't ferguson.

niallo27

kryogen wrote: »

Drivel

:rolleyes:

The two situations are quite different, Suarez and Evra were supposed to shake hands to put the issue to bed for the English public, for the league and for the clubs.

It had been agreed, by everybody that a handshake would take place, Suarez agreed to this. The fact that he told his manager and other higher ups that he would do this and then went back on his word is what made him a disgrace to Liverpool football club.

If you genuinely fail to see a difference in the situations then fine, I couldn't be arsed making it any more obvious but spare the tripe please.

For the record, I am in the camp of you should shake hands with who you want and you shouldn't have to shake hands with someone you don't want to.

There are certain exceptions, such as if two parties agree to shake hands for instance to put an issue to bed, but by and large its a load of media bull**** and I couldn't care less whether players or managers shake hands really. Particularly the pre match one between the players.

If they wanna shake hands or whatever at the end of the game then great, but forcing them to line up and shake everybody's hand is stupid to me.

I agree with you they are miles apart, the Rafa incident was minor compared with the Suarez one so why can't get Ferguson get over it and shake his hand.

PhlegmyMoses

niallo27 wrote: »

I'll ask you again what cheating did he accuse him of. Didn't Ferguson call him unstable and other insults. If Rafa can get over it why can't ferguson.

Go and have a listen to the press conference again. If you don't want to call it an accusation of cheating, would collusion with the FA and the elite group to favour Manchester United be more up your alley? Which would be cheating, btw.

Sgt Pepper 64

FFS, who gives a flying feck if they shake hands or not.
And why Rafa has to even mention it is beyond me - just more self publicity.
be grateful the team actually played like a team for once and move on and focus on getting the second half perfomance for the whole 90 mins FFS!

niallo27

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Go and have a listen to the press conference again. If you don't want to call it an accusation of cheating, would collusion with the FA and the elite group to favour Manchester United be more up your alley? Which would be cheating, btw.

They were all facts though. He didn't make up anything. You can take from it what you want I suppose. If he was accusing the FA of cheating won't he have been done for it.

kryogen

niallo27 wrote: »

I agree with you they are miles apart, the Rafa incident was minor compared with the Suarez one so why can't get Ferguson get over it and shake his hand.

Cause he is a grown man, if he doesn't want to shake his hand he shouldn't have to, particularly before a game. After maybe as a token of sportsmanship but honestly, if the two clearly don't like each other then whats the point of faking it?

niallo27

kryogen wrote: »

Cause he is a grown man, if he doesn't want to shake his hand he shouldn't have to, particularly before a game. After maybe as a token of sportsmanship but honestly, if the two clearly don't like each other then whats the point of faking it?

That's fine. I have no problem with that. I'm sure Suarez had his reasons for not shaking Evra's hand. Suarez should have shook his hand that day but he is a grown man and if he had his reasons then so be it. Ferguson saying he was a disgrace and should be sold was no of his buisness.

kryogen

niallo27 wrote: »

That's fine. I have no problem with that. I'm sure Suarez had his reasons for not shaking Evra's hand. Suarez should have shook his hand that day but he is a grown man and if he had his reasons then so be it. Ferguson saying he was a disgrace and should be sold was no of his buisness.

Suarez should not have agreed to shake hands then and not have given his word on it and made the situation even worse by going back on it, that's a pretty big difference. If he had just said, no, **** it I don't want to shake his hand and just refused then I would respect that and have no problem with it. Its the way it played out that left a sour taste.

But its well in the past and lets keep it there (?)

Plenty of managers speak about things that are not their business. Not like it actually matters.

intellectual dosser

kryogen wrote: »

Suarez should not have agreed to shake hands then and not have given his word on it and made the situation even worse by going back on it, that's a pretty big difference. If he had just said, no, **** it I don't want to shake his hand and just refused then I would respect that and have no problem with it. Its the way it played out that left a sour taste.

But its well in the past and lets keep it there (?)

Plenty of managers speak about things that are not their business. Not like it actually matters.

He would still have been destroyed.

kryogen

intellectual dosser wrote: »

He would still have been destroyed.

No, not by me, as I clearly stated, I would have respected that he straight about it, and I would not have had any problem with it.

The media destroying him was gonna happen either way, unless maybe he just shook his hand like he said he would!

Like it or not, (and plenty of pool fans do love it) he makes himself a very easy target to hate, he isn't the first player to do it and won't be the last so his relationship with the media is probably never going to be Harry Redknapped.

Crann na Beatha

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Will I Amnt

Phoenix wrote: »

Anyone wana talk about the actual game?

This is unfortunately how most United match threads end. A few Liverpool heads bail in and kick up a fuss about something trivial and the game gets forgotten about.
So predictable.

Turtyturd

cambo2008 wrote: »

This is unfortunately how most United match threads end. A few Liverpool heads bail in and kick up a fuss about something trivial and the game gets forgotten about.
So predictable.

And not even a hint of irony. :pac:

Will I Amnt

Turtyturd wrote: »

And not even a hint of irony. :pac:

Nope :pac:

Mars Bar

No more talk about the Suarez/Evra situation.

jonnyfingers

I was really surprised at the decline in United's play in the second half yesterday. They looked like a team suffering fatigue but they had plenty of rest after the Madrid game. So many simple passes were messed up, relinquishing possession. And at times the tracking back was very poor, at one stage Evra was strolling back after making a run up field where possession was lost.

At half time I thought they'd walk the rest of the match but by the end I was thankful for the draw. I really hope this is just a blip and not the sign of things to come for the season run-in. Don't think I can take losing another league with such a good lead going into the last few games.

Liam O

jonnyfingers wrote: »

I was really surprised at the decline in United's play in the second half yesterday. They looked like a team suffering fatigue but they had plenty of rest after the Madrid game. So many simple passes were messed up, relinquishing possession. And at times the tracking back was very poor, at one stage Evra was strolling back after making a run up field where possession was lost.

At half time I thought they'd walk the rest of the match but by the end I was thankful for the draw. I really hope this is just a blip and not the sign of things to come for the season run-in. Don't think I can take losing another league with such a good lead going into the last few games.

It was bad tactics from Fergie really. Playing Kagawa on the left is really becoming tiresome because of the fact that he simply doesn't stay there at all. When Rooney is there it's the opposite, he shows no adventure with the ball. Fergie has never been great at changing things during games. He can send out teams with fantastic tactics and that can carry until the end of the game but when the other team change it he seems clueless on occasion. Leaving Cleverley on was a big mistake as was bringing Valencia on when Nani went off. Nani was part of what was pretty much a front 3 with Rooney acting as a 3rd midfielder. Valencia played as pretty much a right wing back which stunted play.

That may actually be the problem with Valencia. I'm sure he was trained a lot for the right back position and that has effected his play going forward when he plays right mid.

jonnyfingers

Liam O wrote: »

It was bad tactics from Fergie really. Playing Kagawa on the left is really becoming tiresome because of the fact that he simply doesn't stay there at all. When Rooney is there it's the opposite, he shows no adventure with the ball. Fergie has never been great at changing things during games. He can send out teams with fantastic tactics and that can carry until the end of the game but when the other team change it he seems clueless on occasion. Leaving Cleverley on was a big mistake as was bringing Valencia on when Nani went off. Nani was part of what was pretty much a front 3 with Rooney acting as a 3rd midfielder. Valencia played as pretty much a right wing back which stunted play.

That may actually be the problem with Valencia. I'm sure he was trained a lot for the right back position and that has effected his play going forward when he plays right mid.

I'm not sure the tactics are fully to blame. The sheer amount of poor passes and decisions are not totally reliant on tactics. I agree that Valencia was very poor, really had enough of him now, he doesn't seem to offer anything to the team anymore. And Kagawa on the wing is not great. I thought he should have replaced Cleverly with someone who could keep possession. The second half was made for someone like Scholes, shame he's injured. But even Anderson could have probably done a job with Wellbeck helping out to keep possesion. In the end we just gave the ball away constantly and fair play to Chelsea they punished us.