Papal Conclave - Place Your Bets!

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Dana (Norn Iron)

Dades wrote: »

Pope Trivia: Apparantly he only has one lung. :pac:

Apparently he also has four ears, two for listening and two "are sort of back-up ears". Some might be on the inside of its head- and its yawn sounds like Liam Neeson chasing a load of hens around inside a barrel

Sarky

Cardinal Atari Jaguar (Yore Ma)

And instead of a face, he has four arses?

Sarky

Cardinal Atari Jaguar (Yore Ma)

Also, this thread makes for fascinating reading. Especially the end part.

keelanj69

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone (Italy)

Sarky wrote: »

Also, this thread makes for fascinating reading. Especially the end part.

Head over to CTs. The battle rages on.

Corkfeen

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone (Italy)

Sarky wrote: »

Also, this thread makes for fascinating reading. Especially the end part.

Gordon's response is superb....

Bannasidhe

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)

Corkfeen wrote: »

Gordon's response is superb....

It is.

Respect to Gordon (even if it nearly cost me a laptop as I was sipping coffee when I read it.)

achtungbarry

Dana (Norn Iron)

allthedoyles

Cardinal Sean O'Malley (United States)

Gbear

With predicting who's going to be pope based off some CT ****e it's not like some 2nd coming of christ wankology that you can spoof your way out of using "interpretation".

I wonder how the poster in question is able to reconcile that.

No amount of mental gymnastics would be able to cope with such an obvious fact.

Penn

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)

achtungbarry wrote: »

Man, with Ratzinger all I could see was The Emperor from Star Wars.

Looking at him, all I can see is the Demon Headmaster

sink

Cardinal Peter Turkson (Ghana)

Pope Fact: He has a masters in chemistry! It was over 50 years ago however and I doubt he's practiced much and kept up to date on current literature.

Still being scientifically literate can't but help, hopefully no more condoms give you aids statements!

P_1

So what odds was Frankie at to get the gig?

I think Mr Power may have recouped some of his Cheltenham losses here.

robindch

Not up on youtube. Yet:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=501037718875

Cossax

If there's anyone who can shelter a German from being prosecuted for human rights violations, it's someone from Argentina. :pac:

Sarky

Cardinal Atari Jaguar (Yore Ma)

Saw this on Twitter, and roffled heartily:

Obliq

John Waters (Craggier Island)

sink wrote: »

Pope Fact: He has a masters in chemistry! It was over 50 years ago however and I doubt he's practiced much and kept up to date on current literature.

Still being scientifically literate can't but help, hopefully no more condoms give you aids statements!

Oh no. That's enough to send shivers down my spine tbh. I reckon there's very few scarier than someone who has STUDIED science and then rejected science to the extent that they are now a Jesuit pope.

Kinski

Credit where it's due: the Catholic Church has been bold enough to launch a new IP instead of just relying on sequels. Ok, JPII is up there with The Empire Strikes Back and The Godfather Part II in being considered better than the original, but that Benedict franchise had gone pretty stale after 16 of them. And John?! Talk about milking it.

Canis Lupus

Cardinal Atari Jaguar (Yore Ma)

Kinski wrote: »

Credit where it's due: the Catholic Church has been bold enough to launch a new IP instead of just relying on sequels. Ok, JPII is up there with The Empire Strikes Back and The Godfather Part II in being considered better than the original, but that Benedict franchise had gone pretty stale after 16 of them. And John?! Talk about milking it.

If only they would stop picking the same old tired looking actor.

joseph brand

The Catholic church was complicit in dreadful crimes in Argentina.

"God anticipates us again and again in unexpected ways," the pope said. "He does not cease to search for us, to raise us up as often as we might need. He does not abandon the lost sheep in the wilderness into which it had strayed. God does not allow himself to be confounded by our sin. Again and again he begins afresh with us".

If these words comforted and encouraged me they will surely have done the same for leaders of the church in Argentina, among many others. To the judicious and fair-minded outsider it has been clear for years that the upper reaches of the Argentinian church contained many "lost sheep in the wilderness", men who had communed and supported the unspeakably brutal western-supported military dictatorship that seized power in that country in 1976 and battened on it for years. Not only did the generals slaughter thousands unjustly, often dropping them out of aeroplanes over the River Plate and selling off their orphan children to the highest bidder, they also murdered at least two bishops and many priests. Yet even the execution of other men of the cloth did nothing to shake the support of senior clerics, including representatives of the Holy See, for the criminality of their leader General Jorge Rafael Videla and his minions.

But happily Their Eminences have just been given another chance to express contrition. Next month the convicted murderer Videla will be arraigned for his part in the killing of Enrique Angelelli, bishop of the Andean diocese of La Rioja and a supporter of the cause of poorer Argentinians. He was run off the highway by a hit squad of the Videla régime and killed on 4th August 1976 shortly after Videla's putsch.

Here's Bergoglio giving communion to Videla.

Peregrinus

Obliq wrote: »

Oh no. That's enough to send shivers down my spine tbh. I reckon there's very few scarier than someone who has STUDIED science and then rejected science to the extent that they are now a Jesuit pope.

Not quite a scary, perhaps, as someone who has studied science and then rejected science to the extent that they now embrace a concept of "science", such that they think a Jesuit pope must necessarily have rejected science.

PopePalpatine

Dana (Norn Iron)

joseph brand wrote: »

The Catholic church was complicit in dreadful crimes in Argentina.





Here's Bergoglio giving communion to Videla.

*awaits "out of context" claims*

Bannasidhe

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)

PopePalpatine wrote: »

*awaits "out of context" claims*

Or *it was compulsory and he was just a child*

darjeeling

Maybe someone will get to ask him about his time under the Junta on Saturday, when he's apparently doing a press conference (link). I don't think Benedict ever went before the media, so this could be an interesting - and welcome - change.

A move on from red shoes and bling, and more focus on inequality and materialism and less on sex, and he might turn out to be a good thing.

Obliq

John Waters (Craggier Island)

Peregrinus wrote: »

Not quite a scary, perhaps, as someone who has studied science and then rejected science to the extent that they now embrace a concept of "science", such that they think a Jesuit pope must necessarily have rejected science.

Meow Do you think it's possible to believe one is infallible at the same time as questioning everything? Perhaps we could ask a Jesuit.........

Knasher

Cardinal Sean O'Malley (United States)

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/03/13/dirty-war-questions-for-pope-francis/

He recounts how the Argentine navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship’s political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate.

I'm hoping he goes with the Father Ted defence, and claims those political prisoners were only resting on his island.

jank

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Or *it was compulsory and he was just a child*

He gave communion!!! :eek: String him up! I'm selling pitchforks if anyone is interested.

Bannasidhe

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)

jank wrote: »

He gave communion!!! :eek: String him up! I'm selling pitchforks if anyone is interested.

Did you fail to read this?

He recounts how the Argentine navy with the connivance of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, now the Jesuit archbishop of Buenos Aires, hid from a visiting delegation of the Inter-American Human Rights Commission the dictatorship’s political prisoners. Bergoglio was hiding them in nothing less than his holiday home in an island called El Silencio in the River Plate.

It was in the post just above yours...

Hiding political prisoners from a Human Rights Commission on behalf of a Right-wing junta during a period when an estimated 30,000 people 'disappeared' is a bit more than 'giving communion.'

Brian Shanahan

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Hiding political prisoners from a Human Rights Commission on behalf of a Right-wing junta during a period when an estimated 30,000 people 'disappeared' is a bit more than 'giving communion.'

Although, given the symbolism of communion among catholics, personally giving it to a right-wing dictator and mass murderer is a pretty strong, if implicit, sign of support.

Penn

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Although, given the symbolism of communion among catholics, personally giving it to a right-wing dictator and mass murderer is a pretty strong, if implicit, sign of support.

Agreed, considering the fact that my granduncle who was a priest refused to give communion to anyone living in sin, including my sister and her boyfriend at a family mass.

The Black Oil

Self-praise is no praise, but still, good old anti-Catholic RTE, eh?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0314/376669-vatican-embassy/
There have been calls for the reopening of Ireland's embassy to the Vatican, to mark the election of a new pope.

Fianna Fáil leader Micheál Martin congratulated the new pontiff, and praised RTÉ's coverage of the election, saying it reflected a deep interest among Irish people.

Gbear

The Black Oil wrote: »

Self-praise is no praise, but still, good old anti-Catholic RTE, eh?

I'm not sure what's more depressing - that he's trying to use that to win votes or that it actually seems to be working.

old hippy

Sarky wrote: »

Also, this thread makes for fascinating reading. Especially the end part.

Agreed. Although this line made me laugh my cola through my nose

"I have always brought a sense of humour to Boards and had quite a large following of subscribers to my threads (Including the Press) which no doubt will be missed."

Anyways, a case of same old same old with the new pontiff. Tbf, did anyone really expect anything different?

robindch

Mahony still doesn't get it:

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/03/13/cardinal-mahony-talks-exclusively-to-cbs2-about-choosing-the-new-pope/

Mr Mahony wrote:

“Much of the criticism comes from ignorance of not knowing what has happened. And the extraordinary efforts we have taken, we have passed every compliance audit with flying colors. And I dare, find somebody who can tell me what have we not done yet, please let me know…we’ll do it.”

And Jorge Videla, the former Argentinian dictator, says that he kept the church up to date on who the Army "disappeared" when the church had assured the dictatorship that the family wouldn't become difficult after learning of the death of a family member:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/former-argentinian-dictator-says-he-told-catholic-church-of-disappeared-1.542154

Irish Times wrote:

He said that in certain cases church authorities offered their “good offices” and undertook to inform families looking for “disappeared” relatives to desist from their searches, but only if they were certain the families would not use the information to denounce the junta.

“In the case of families that it was certain would not make political use of the information, they told them not to look any more for their child because he was dead,” said Videla. He said the church “understood well . . . and also assumed the risks” of such involvement.

Dades

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone (Italy)

One for the ladies...

http://rabble.ie/2013/03/14/women-know-your-place/

Pope Frankie wrote:

“Women are naturally unsuitable for political tasks. Natural order and the facts teach us that man is a politician par excellence, the Scriptures show us that women always support the thinking and creative man, but nothing more than that “

No actual reference, but would anyone actually be surprised?

Turtwig

Dades wrote: »

One for the ladies...

http://rabble.ie/2013/03/14/women-know-your-place/


No actual reference, but would anyone actually be surprised?

Given the spats he had with Argentina's female president I wouldn't be surprised either, but we need a reference.

Nodin

John Waters (Craggier Island)

Jernal wrote: »

Given the spats he had with Argentina's female president I wouldn't be surprised either, but we need a reference.

...somebody who spoke it might search in Spanish.....

Turtwig

Nodin wrote: »

...somebody who spoke it might search in Spanish.....

Well obviously I don't speak Spanish.

Nodin

John Waters (Craggier Island)

Jernal wrote: »

Well obviously I don't speak Spanish.

No, no. T'wasn't directed at thee. We're bound to have some cunning linguist amongst the godless.

Bannasidhe

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)

I'll just go make some tea and sandwiches.

Nodin

John Waters (Craggier Island)

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I'll just go make some tea and sandwiches.

Fair play to ye. No sugar in mine and feck all milk.

Turtwig

Nodin wrote: »

We're bound to have some cunning linguist amongst the godless.

Oh my immaturity.

Obliq

John Waters (Craggier Island)

http://www.worldcrunch.com/dossier-the-next-pope/around-the-world-reactions-to-the-arrival-of-pope-francis/pope-francis-i-bergoglio-argentina-vatican/c8s11195/#.UUIE6ap2NTM

Costa Rican daily El Pais reports that María Eugenia Venegas, member of the Chamber of Deputies of Costa Rica was not celebrating Bergoglio’s Papacy. She explained that she couldn’t congratulate the leader of a Church that does not bring opportunities for women to participate equally within the institution. According to the daily, in 2007 upon Cristina Kirchner’s election, Bergoglio was said to have commented that “women are naturally inept to take political posts. The natural order and facts of history show us that man is the political being by excellency; the Scriptures demonstrate that women have always been a support to the thinking and doing man, but not more than that.”

Can't find anything except this woman Maria Venegas saying it so far.....

Banbh

Following on from the RTE perpetual Popefest, Fianna Fáil want to reopen the Vatican Embassy.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0314/376669-vatican-embassy/
With the swing back to FF, and the Catholic Church reasserting itself in everyone's business, this atheist will be keeping a bag packed.

darjeeling

This extraordinary claim that the new Pope colluded in the concealment of political prisoners:

Knasher wrote: »

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/03/13/dirty-war-questions-for-pope-francis/

I'm hoping he goes with the Father Ted defence, and claims those political prisoners were only resting on his island.

... turns out not to be true. It was taken from a 2011 Guardian story that incorrectly attributed the claim to another journalist, and has now been retracted (link).

Obliq wrote: »

http://www.worldcrunch.com/dossier-the-next-pope/around-the-world-reactions-to-the-arrival-of-pope-francis/pope-francis-i-bergoglio-argentina-vatican/c8s11195/#.UUIE6ap2NTM

Costa Rican daily El Pais reports that María Eugenia Venegas, member of the Chamber of Deputies of Costa Rica was not celebrating Bergoglio’s Papacy. She explained that she couldn’t congratulate the leader of a Church that does not bring opportunities for women to participate equally within the institution. According to the daily, in 2007 upon Cristina Kirchner’s election, Bergoglio was said to have commented that “women are naturally inept to take political posts. The natural order and facts of history show us that man is the political being by excellency; the Scriptures demonstrate that women have always been a support to the thinking and doing man, but not more than that.”

Can't find anything except this woman Maria Venegas saying it so far.....

Neither the English version above nor the original Spanish article actually says that she furnished the quote either. It's said in fact to be from a cable attributed to the Argentinian state news agency on alleged quotes from Bergoglio. This cable has apparently been circulating on the internet since today. (link).

One's enemy's enemy isn't always reliable - best to check their sources

Obliq

John Waters (Craggier Island)

Yeah, I noticed a minute ago that I had made the assumption that she had said it. Then went looking for proof and didn't find any yet. Ta :P
Haven't found anything at all from 2007 that sounds remotely like Bergoglio said anything of the sort.....

Turtwig

If this sexist quote isn't true, then let's hope it doesn't become mainstream because it just plays into the whole "persecution of catholics" hand.

Obliq

John Waters (Craggier Island)

Jernal wrote: »

If this sexist quote isn't true, then let's hope it doesn't become mainstream because it just plays into the whole "persecution of catholics" hand.

Exactly why I want proof before I call "foul!"

Bannasidhe

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)

Nodin wrote: »

Fair play to ye. No sugar in mine and feck all milk.

Oops sorry. I got distracted by something pink and the dog drank your tea.
*giggle*

Bannasidhe

Cardinal Marc Ouellet (Canada)

Jernal wrote: »

If this sexist quote isn't true, then let's hope it doesn't become mainstream because it just plays into the whole "persecution of catholics" hand.

Obliq wrote: »

Exactly why I want proof before I call "foul!"

We still have the homophobic quotes - no disputing those.

Obliq

John Waters (Craggier Island)

Bannasidhe wrote: »

We still have the homophobic quotes - no disputing those.

Ooh yes, there's no shortage of his spewing forth on gay marriage, etc.

Have to admit to HOPING he'd manage to get the backs up of half the world's population with the sexist quotes....seemingly he's JUST a delusional anti love/ anti family/ anti choicer though.