Kilkenny GAA Discussion Thread Mod Warning Post # 5885 #4894 & #5202

EIRE1922

The growler wrote: »

Yep, it's terrible when hurling fans keep going on about refereeing decisions that affected their county in the past. Kilkenny fans (or the manager of the Kilkenny team) would never stoop so low......

Growler you are talking rubbish! In Kilkenny we call it as they see it! The truth!

Brian Cody was right about Barry Kelly. By blaggarding Kilkenny, Kelly actually screwed up Tipp's chances of winning the drawn game. What is wrong with Tipperary is ye could not take advantage of his brutal referring. Sore losers and soar grapes in Tipperary as usual! 3-row-in talk in Tipp! Ye can barely do one-in-a-row every decade!

10 Carrolls

Where is the Shamrocks semi final going to be played? I heard Gort were demanding either Birr or Tullamore but I would have thought it would be played in Thurles, no?

BQQ

Brian017 wrote: »

Are Tipp still talking about their moral 2009 title? I'm sure many teams have had similar incidents in the past that they feel went against them and altered the result. But it's in the past now and bringing it up everytime there's a mention of the 2009 final won't change the result

I know feelings run high after a game, but I was surprised/puzzled on the day that Tipp supporters were so sure they would have won without the penalty.
That they still believe it 5 years later is truly baffling.

On the day, as soon as Dunne got himself sent off, I felt confident that the 14 men would suffer in the last 5-10 mins such was the pace of the game. They played well straight after the red card, but once things settled down and KK decided who'd be the free man, Tipp were under the cosh and couldn't hold out. The penalty was incidental.

Justice for the individual

Sad to report the death of Jim Bennett.

A great Bennettsbridge and Kilkenny stalwart of the 60's, and led the Kilkenny forwards by example by adding a bit of steel to Kilkenny's game to match the Tipperary 'style' of play at the time.

Condolences to his family at this sad time.

May he rest in peace.

EIRE1922

10 Carrolls wrote: »

Where is the Shamrocks semi final going to be played? I heard Gort were demanding either Birr or Tullamore but I would have thought it would be played in Thurles, no?

Portlaoise or Thurles. It will not be played in Birr or Tullamore. Tullamore is too far for Ballyhale. Birr is too close for Gort. I reckon Portlaoise as it is about half way for both teams (slightly further for Gort). Thurles is much closer for Ballyhale. Is the better surface for it though.

dastardly00

https://twitter.com/jjdel82/status/549984025453273088/photo/1

PlayByTheRules

Q for ye Kilkenny lads, who will do the full back job with JJ gone and do ye reckon a current player might be tried such as Tyrell or Paul Murphy or are we more likely to see new players being tried?

Realt Dearg Sec

PlayByTheRules wrote: »

Q for ye Kilkenny lads, who will do the full back job with JJ gone and do ye reckon a current player might be tried such as Tyrell or Paul Murphy or are we more likely to see new players being tried?

That's the big question facing us really, most other positions we could all agree on at least one or maybe more good or very good people. Hard to see how we do the FB position without robbing Peter to pay Paul. Some possibilities would be Kieran Joyce (leaving centre back as an open question once again), orJoey Holden (some question the wisdom of that), or Murphy as you say. I don't see Tyrell doing it personally, and I don't like moving Murphy away from where he's been so ridiculously good (but then I didn't like moving Buckley to wing back or Richie Hogan to midfield, so damned if my opinion matters a sh1te). Moving Joyce in and Fennelly to centre back is where I'd be looking for now, but that's a lot more conservative than Cody is likely to be, who knows who will put their hand up in the next couple of months?

Hitchens

Wide ranging report by the GAA's Hurling 20/20 Committee was revealed at
Croke Park this morning.


It's titled: "Croke Park's latest attempt at changing the rules to stop Kilkenny winning All-Irelands"

EIRE1922

Hitchens wrote: »

Wide ranging report by the GAA's Hurling 20/20 Committee was revealed at
Croke Park this morning.


It's titled: "Croke Park's latest attempt at changing the rules to stop Kilkenny winning All-Irelands"

The next new rule is if you commit more than one foul during a game, your hurl will be broken in two pieces!

More interfering in hurling. It is not needed! Headed up by a Tipp man of course, Liam Sheedy. Well he will try his best to stop Kilkenny and try help Tipperary as best he can!

letowski

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That's the big question facing us really, most other positions we could all agree on at least one or maybe more good or very good people. Hard to see how we do the FB position without robbing Peter to pay Paul. Some possibilities would be Kieran Joyce (leaving centre back as an open question once again), orJoey Holden (some question the wisdom of that), or Murphy as you say. I don't see Tyrell doing it personally, and I don't like moving Murphy away from where he's been so ridiculously good (but then I didn't like moving Buckley to wing back or Richie Hogan to midfield, so damned if my opinion matters a sh1te). Moving Joyce in and Fennelly to centre back is where I'd be looking for now, but that's a lot more conservative than Cody is likely to be, who knows who will put their hand up in the next couple of months?

You'd lose a bit bringing a player as dynamic as Fennelly back into the backs. I think he plays a crucial role in ye're midfield/half forward line, he is the best carrier of the ball after his brother, aswell as v good at scoring. I thought he performed very well last season when factoring in how much time he spent injured earlier in the year.

Your right though, either way it's looking like a make-shift option, I don't see any other full backs in the squad. It seems like a long time since KK produced a good enough natural full back. JJ was obviously outstanding when moved from the wing, but after that is it only Noel Hickey since 2000?

EIRE1922

PlayByTheRules wrote: »

Q for ye Kilkenny lads, who will do the full back job with JJ gone and do ye reckon a current player might be tried such as Tyrell or Paul Murphy or are we more likely to see new players being tried?

Paul Murphy will be staying put at corner back! Cody will try out a few players at full back in the Walsh Cup and League. It could be well into the league and start of the championship before you see somebody settling into the role of full-back for Kilkenny. Tyrell or Joyce maybe. Take your pick. Who knows with Cody. Holden will probably be thrown back in during the league. John Dalton might even make it back into the Kilkenny panel. He has been the best back in the Kilkenny club championship in 2014.

I know who I would put there, J.J. Delaney. I would get him to change his mind and come back for another year (he is only 32 & is 33 in March)! Certainly if Kilkenny struggled in the league or the first rounds of the championsdhip at full-back! But, sadly it is not going to happen.

EIRE1922

letowski wrote: »

You'd lose a bit bringing a player as dynamic as Fennelly back into the backs. I think he plays a crucial role in ye're midfield/half forward line, he is the best carrier of the ball after his brother, aswell as v good at scoring. I thought he performed very well last season when factoring in how much time he spent injured earlier in the year.

Your right though, either way it's looking like a make-shift option, I don't see any other full backs in the squad. It seems like a long time since KK produced a good enough natural full back. JJ was obviously outstanding when moved from the wing, but after that is it only Noel Hickey since 2000?

Michael Fennely will not be going near the Half-back position never mind the full-back line. He is too vital at Midfield for winning ball.

Hitchens

so Sheedy and the lads see nothing strange about a player getting two yellows being replaced?

homeofhurling

EIRE1922 wrote: »

Michael Fennely will not be going near the Half-back position never mind the full-back line. He is too vital at Midfield for winning ball.

Fennelly has to be at midfield or halfforward line he was out of the game in the club final at centre back was alright for the first 10 minutes but went out of it after, he is more important to kilkenny midfield or forward

shanboghted

the two yellows change is a very good idea imho, players R getting booked for nothing anymore and you find lads getting sent off for two mistimed tackles or a mistake! You should only be sent off for a dangerous or dirty play which is a straight red anyway.. now people will argue it allows for more fouling but if your fouling within 70/80yards of your own goal your more likely gona be penalized by giving away handy scores as free takers these days don't miss as much.

bruschi

EIRE1922 wrote: »

Portlaoise or Thurles. It will not be played in Birr or Tullamore. Tullamore is too far for Ballyhale. Birr is too close for Gort. I reckon Portlaoise as it is about half way for both teams (slightly further for Gort). Thurles is much closer for Ballyhale. Is the better surface for it though.

Tullamore is further for Gort than Ballyhale but would probably the best location that is closest to being half way. Birr is slightly closer to Gort alright, but not that much in it. Portlaoise is not anyway close to being half way, much like Thurles there is about 100k in the difference.

dastardly00

EIRE1922 wrote: »

More interfering in hurling. It is not needed! Headed up by a Tipp man of course, Liam Sheedy. Well he will try his best to stop Kilkenny and try help Tipperary as best he can!

Ah here, give it a rest will you please. We're All-Ireland champions, lets enjoy that and leave the tinfoil hats to one side

citykat

EIRE1922 wrote: »

More interfering in hurling. It is not needed! Headed up by a Tipp man of course, Liam Sheedy. Well he will try his best to stop Kilkenny and try help Tipperary as best he can!

Pat Henderson was on the committee. Do you think he was trying his best to help Tipp??

One well overdue rule change is the advantage rule. Total misnomer for current rule. At the moment there is no advantage to the fouled player. Proposal is similar to Gaelic i.e. allow play develop for 5 seconds and if no subsequent progress, award free to fouled player.

homeofhurling

bruschi wrote: »

Tullamore is further for Gort than Ballyhale but would probably the best location that is closest to being half way. Birr is slightly closer to Gort alright, but not that much in it. Portlaoise is not anyway close to being half way, much like Thurles there is about 100k in the difference.

don't think so Ballyhale is on the waterford border, Gort would be in tullamore alot quicker intoTynagh Croghan straight run into tullamore Ballyhale would be 2 hours away from tullamore at least.

PlayByTheRules

Agree with others, can't see Fennelly moving back any further than midfield for ye. Is Dalton that fella who had a fit of rage in the league final some years back? Did Cody drop him? Would love to see him back, I'm sure half the country would be out to wind him up haha.

Realt Dearg Sec

PlayByTheRules wrote: »

Agree with others, can't see Fennelly moving back any further than midfield for ye. Is Dalton that fella who had a fit of rage in the league final some years back? Did Cody drop him? Would love to see him back, I'm sure half the country would be out to wind him up haha.

Technically he retired for work commitments but many would say his card was marked after the Dublin incident, which was a stupid thing to do, and not something Cody was likely to tolerate, no matter how much the guy on the receiving end of it was provoking him (and he was definitely doing that).

Traditionally there hasn't been any way back in once you're gone with Cody.

JimsAlterEgo

Could P Walsh make a jj type full back, days of a 6ft 3 bruiser of a full back are gone

bruschi

homeofhurling wrote: »

don't think so Ballyhale is on the waterford border, Gort would be in tullamore alot quicker intoTynagh Croghan straight run into tullamore Ballyhale would be 2 hours away from tullamore at least.

only on boards could something like that happen. either my speedometer is wrong, or else both me and google is wrong.

check google maps. both say around 100/110kms to Tullamore, taking the most straight forward routes. But the Gort route is longer timewise due to bad roads and lower speed limits, hence they are both much the same timewise if you go by motorway from Gort (hour and half). Ballyhale is a fair bit away from the Waterford border too.

EIRE1922

bruschi wrote: »

Tullamore is further for Gort than Ballyhale but would probably the best location that is closest to being half way. Birr is slightly closer to Gort alright, but not that much in it. Portlaoise is not anyway close to being half way, much like Thurles there is about 100k in the difference.

True, Tullamore is too far for Gort aswell. No it is down to Thurles or Portlaoise as venue choices. Thurles as being a better pitch/grounds is why I would go for it.

EIRE1922

citykat wrote: »

Pat Henderson was on the committee. Do you think he was trying his best to help Tipp??

One well overdue rule change is the advantage rule. Total misnomer for current rule. At the moment there is no advantage to the fouled player. Proposal is similar to Gaelic i.e. allow play develop for 5 seconds and if no subsequent progress, award free to fouled player.

No. He is making sure that Liam Sheedy does not get carried away! Pat does not agree with the two yellow cards.

EIRE1922

dastardly00 wrote: »

Ah here, give it a rest will you please. We're All-Ireland champions, lets enjoy that and leave the tinfoil hats to one side

I am having a laugh! Joking!!! :P:D

But I am serious about more interfering in hurling. It is not needed! No need for two refs either! Leave it alone! Too much influence and pressure coming in from Pat McEnaney.

homeofhurling

EIRE1922 wrote: »

True, Tullamore is too far for Gort aswell. No it is down to Thurles or Portlaoise as venue choices. Thurles as being a better pitch/grounds is why I would go for it.

but sure portlaoise would be longer for Gort, but sure Gort are not far from loughrea and onto the motorway 45 minutes would have them tullamore on the motorway

EIRE1922

homeofhurling wrote: »

but sure portlaoise would be longer for Gort, but sure Gort are not far from loughrea and onto the motorway 45 minutes would have them tullamore on the motorway

For Thurles. Gort usually come down via Scarriff, Killaloe/Ballina, Nenagh then down on to Thurles.

dirtyden

EIRE1922 wrote: »

I am having a laugh! Joking!!! :P:D

But I am serious about more interfering in hurling. It is not needed! No need for two refs either! Leave it alone! Too much influence and pressure coming in from Pat McEnaney.

I have always thought 2 referees was a good idea to at least try. When the ball can go 80 yards in 2 seconds its very difficult for a referee to make a call. The game has become very fast for one ref.

homeofhurling

don't know about that the linesman can't see half the time what happens in games in front of him as for the umpires enough said.

zetecescort

dirtyden wrote: »

I have always thought 2 referees was a good idea to at least try. When the ball can go 80 yards in 2 seconds its very difficult for a referee to make a call. The game has become very fast for one ref.

games would be ruined with 2 refs given the differences between the current intercounty refs,can you imagine Barry "by the book" Kelly in one side and Brain "let it flow" Gavin in the other.

fed up sick and tired

homeofhurling wrote: »

don't think so Ballyhale is on the waterford border, Gort would be in tullamore alot quicker intoTynagh Croghan straight run into tullamore Ballyhale would be 2 hours away from tullamore at least.

Ballyhale is nowhere near the Waterford border.

tbiggertycome

homeofhurling wrote: »

don't know about that the linesman can't see half the time what happens in games in front of him as for the umpires enough said.

The biggest issue with Linesmen is they are not allowed to call a foul! They're allowed stick their flag in the air and draw the refs attention but only to a stroke off the ball. Now this rule is fair enough at a lot of club games where you only have Johnny and Jimmy who were standing around are asked to do the line at the last minute. However for intercounty there is always two referees on the lines they should be allowed make a call on a foul they see this would negate the need for a second ref.

Realt Dearg Sec

tbiggertycome wrote: »

The biggest issue with Linesmen is they are not allowed to call a foul! They're allowed stick their flag in the air and draw the refs attention but only to a stroke off the ball. Now this rule is fair enough at a lot of club games where you only have Johnny and Jimmy who were standing around are asked to do the line at the last minute. However for intercounty there is always two referees on the lines they should be allowed make a call on a foul they see this would negate the need for a second ref.

When you say make a call on a foul, do you mean give them a whistle? Or just allow them to bring it to the ref's attention when the ball goes dead? No problem with the latter, the former absolutely not.

As for a second ref, Jaysus one is bad enough ;-)

EIRE1922

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

Ballyhale is nowhere near the Waterford border.

Not that far away in fairness. A quick spin down the M9.

EIRE1922

zetecescort wrote: »

games would be ruined with 2 refs given the differences between the current intercounty refs,can you imagine Barry "by the book" Kelly in one side and Brain "let it flow" Gavin in the other.

The two would start fighting. Kelly would send Gavin off and give a free in to Tipperary. :P

Brian Gavin and Michael Wadding are far too unfit to keep up with the modern game.

EIRE1922

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

When you say make a call on a foul, do you mean give them a whistle? Or just allow them to bring it to the ref's attention when the ball goes dead? No problem with the latter, the former absolutely not.

As for a second ref, Jaysus one is bad enough ;-)

As long as they do not clone Barry Kelly!

Hitchens

EIRE1922 wrote: »

The two would start fighting. Kelly would send Gavin off and give a free in to Tipperary. :P

Brian Gavin and Michael Wadding are far too unfit to keep up with the modern game.

let Johnny Ryan and Brian Gavin ref all Championship matches, and give the rest their P45's ...............:p

EIRE1922

Oh yes Johhny Ryan and Diarmuid Kirwan too. Not as fat...I mean unfit as Gavin and Wadding.

fed up sick and tired

EIRE1922 wrote: »

Not that far away in fairness. A quick spin down the M9.

Not that far away in motorway terms, I'll agree.

But the border is a state of mind as much as anything, and 'not that far away' is still very different from 'on the border'.

You have to be from places a lot closer to Waterford than Ballyhale is, to appreciate what 'on the border' really means !

The border separates 2 AI's and 35 AI's, so we're talking light years

Hitchens

"I have….... seen things you people wouldn't believe…......... attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion............. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate............ and Henry Shefflin winning 10 Senior All-Irelands"

fed up sick and tired

Hitchens wrote: »

"I have….... seen things you people wouldn't believe…......... attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion............. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate............ and Henry Shefflin winning 10 Senior All-Irelands"

Glad you changed the last line

Roquentin

Hitchens wrote: »

"I have….... seen things you people wouldn't believe…......... attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion............. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate............ and Henry Shefflin winning 10 Senior All-Irelands"

up the banner

EIRE1922

Roquentin wrote: »

up the banner

Marty was born with spray on hair, bright white teeth and a fake tan.

homeofhurling

fed up sick and tired wrote: »

Ballyhale is nowhere near the Waterford border.

my point been that ballyhale are a good bit from kilkenny city they are nearly waterford than kilkenny city, didn't they all go to school in waterford and king henry was born in waterford. its a good drive from ballyhale to tullamore

royrogers

homeofhurling wrote: »

don't think so Ballyhale is on the waterford border, Gort would be in tullamore alot quicker intoTynagh Croghan straight run into tullamore Ballyhale would be 2 hours away from tullamore at least.

If Ballyhale is on the Waterford border Slieverue and Kilmacow must be playing in west Waterford!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EIRE1922

royrogers wrote: »

If Ballyhale is on the Waterford border Slieverue and Kilmacow must be playing in west Waterford!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rosbercon must be in Wexford and Ferrybank is in Waterford!?

Realt Dearg Sec

EIRE1922 wrote: »

Rosbercon must be in Wexford and Ferrybank is in Waterford!?

Stop giving the hoors ideas.

Speak Now

EIRE1922 wrote: »

Rosbercon must be in Wexford and Ferrybank is in Waterford!?

You're half right