Kilkenny GAA Discussion Thread Mod Warning Post # 5885 #4894 & #5202

derealbadger

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Orizio

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ciarriaithuaidh

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Orizio

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royrogers

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Orizio

Try nowwatchtvlive.

dzer2

Kilkenny 1-22 Cork 2-17 christ image a full strength team

me89

What a great performance. Unbelievable work rate. Richie Hogan was my motm

K4t

Caught the last half hour; sums up KK tbh. Some dubious refereeing decisions (arguably 2 yellows for fouls on murphy and Kelly not even blown for), some terrible mistakes by the kk keeper and full forward in the dying minutes, and still coming through it. Ridiculously high levels of focus and professionalism in an amateur sport. Their mental skill is the most admirable thing from a mostly neutral perspective (kk and mayo roots)

savannahkat

Walter and Mark Kelly Excellent. Geoff Brennan did a lot of good hurling when he came in. Good to see them trying to stake a place and Matt Ruth was not bad either.

letowski

From an outsider looking in, it was a very impressive performance by KK. As mentioned their workrate was top class again, meaning the Cork forwards didnt get much good ball. Best game I've seen from Wally in quite a while, as Hogan said on Setanta, its time for him to step up, and he did tonight. Murphy and Tyrell were typically commanding again too, Richie Hogan a class apart really. Joyce looks good this year for ye at 6 aswell.

Cork looked unfocused and their touch and striking was uncharacteristically awful. They have issues again in the full back line too, they look lightweight back there and were bullied often tonight.

citykat

Didn't see that coming tbh. Happy to be wrong. Great performance and result considering it's the first competitive game of the season and the players missing. Great hunger shown by the so-called second string. Cork'll surely be disappointed more with the performance than the result especially in their own backyard. Scoreboard flattered the home side what with the soft goal and soft frees in the second half.

IMO difference between the two was the KK forwards were more clinical than the CK forwards. Of the KK backs thought Joyce was immense and is shaping up to be next Ger Henderson even scoring a monster pt from inside his own half (without even looking at the posts!). Hard to judge Murphy on this single game at full back but still playing like a corner back in committing himself to the ball - would like a bit more man-watching. IMO the rest were solid enough probably shading their opponents. Poorest match I've ever seen Buckley play especially from a lad playing Fitzgibbon up to last week.

Lester and Geoff shaded it in MF IMO. Bad break for Fogarty. Hopefully nothing serious.

Of the forwards, Hogan was sublime. Got some ‘treatment’ from the CK backs but kept the head and kept playing. One brilliant moment in the first half when having gained possession, got surrounded, lost possession, regained possession and laid off a peach of a pass to Wally who scored. Kelly was dangerous and got some nice scores. Should have goaled when he hit it straight at Nash. Wally was back towards the player he can be. Putting himself about, getting on the end of passes and scoring. Walsh was a handful and could with better shooting have got more on the scoreboard.

Thought the ref was poor and brought Cork back into it in the second half with some soft frees. Didn’t blow when Walsh and Kelly were cleaned out if it in that second half and yet blew for players falling over. Handed a yellow to Ruth in the first half for practically nothing and let far worse go.

randd1

Didn't expect us to win tonight. I kind of bought into the weakened side argument doing the rounds, the fact that we didn't play in any pre-season tournaments (or challenge matches that I know of), and that we generally don't win in Cork in the league that often.

And once again, I'm very happy to be proven wrong. The attitude for a side to have that raw hunger and work ethic, after everything they've won (and missing 13 of the AI winning panel from last year) in February is unreal.

All I can say is this; We are unbelievably blessed to be from Kilkenny so as to have the privilege to be able to follow this team, as a supporter they never let you down.

deadybai

Once again Kilkenny dominate the opening 10 mins of the second half. I'd love to see a statistic of Kilkenny's performance in this period of a game over the last 3-4 seasons compared to other periods in a match. Kilkenny just become a juggernaut in that time.

ttowncat

Anyone know the story with Conor Fogarty? I saw him in dugout with tracksuit onafter so hopefully that means it's not serious.

Also, for anyone with 'pause and rewind', what was the stroke like on Fogarty's knee? Was it a pure accident or was it late/wild etc.?

pat 22

Well done to all last night, beating cork away with so many first choice missing.

I did not expect a win last night I must admit.
Delighted for mark Kelly. Pity he didn't keep going for that goal chance and bury Nash in the back of the net with the ball !!

Thought wally, p Walsh and joyce really stood up and took the fight to cork

More of the same lads ...

MassDeb8r

ttowncat wrote: »

Anyone know the story with Conor Fogarty? I saw him in dugout with tracksuit onafter so hopefully that means it's not serious.

Also, for anyone with 'pause and rewind', what was the stroke like on Fogarty's knee? Was it a pure accident or was it late/wild etc.?

He is gone for an x-ray this morning I believe, don't know any more than that - looked a very sore belt, a cut just above the shin/below the knee.

As for the pull on Fogarty by Sullivan - it was intentional and off-the-ball, he deserved to be taken to task for it, in fact he should still be because it was a dirty stroke intended to injure.

ttowncat

Just looking at reffing of Dublin Tipp match and reflecting on some of last nights yellow cards and was wondering why did they get rid of the BLACK card in hurling a few years ago? (As in the name taking TICK of a black card)

There's been plenty of examples of soft/stupid yellow cards over the past few years and then the player commits another infringement that's slightly worse than a free and he's gone, game changer. Hurling 2020 proposes two yellows and a substitution, which I think is a bit ridiculous, but it's just a reaction to (or fear of) losing a player to two technical yellow cards that are not actual full on dangerous play or professional fouling or whatever. A referees discretion to give a first warning or final warning could save games being ruined.

There's also an argument that rules are rules and refs opinions and discretion shouldn't be a factor but hurling is a game that is so full contact and has so many dynamics that it is impossible to fully account for every move/rule, and that it will never be a game where the ref won't be talked about, talked about good or bad.

Anyway, does anyone remember the reason as to why they got rid of the hurling black card?

citykat

ttowncat wrote: »

Just looking at reffing of Dublin Tipp match and reflecting on some of last nights yellow cards and was wondering why did they get rid of the BLACK card in hurling a few years ago? (As in the name taking TICK of a black card)

There's been plenty of examples of soft/stupid yellow cards over the past few years and then the player commits another infringement that's slightly worse than a free and he's gone, game changer. Hurling 2020 proposes two yellows and a substitution, which I think is a bit ridiculous, but it's just a reaction to (or fear of) losing a player to two technical yellow cards that are not actual full on dangerous play or professional fouling or whatever. A referees discretion to give a first warning or final warning could save games being ruined.

There's also an argument that rules are rules and refs opinions and discretion shouldn't be a factor but hurling is a game that is so full contact and has so many dynamics that it is impossible to fully account for every move/rule, and that it will never be a game where the ref won't be talked about, talked about good or bad.

Anyway, does anyone remember the reason as to why they got rid of the hurling black card?

If the yellow card was properly applied there would be no need for another colour card. Check out the rules (section 5) to see when/where a yellow is applied. The word persistent is used a lot. The problem with a lot of IC refs is their own interpretation of when to award a yellow card. E.g. Ruth was yellow carded in the first half last night for very little (and I think) his first offence. There was far worse let go before and afterward. Refs often use the yellow to make an example of a player in the hope of deterring others. I think it would be more productive for a ref to talk to a captain(s) if he feels a team's discipline needs addressing rather than singling out one individual.

droppingball

Very happy with the result on Saturday, great fight and Cody has obviously been drumming it in to them that positions are up for grabs.

Eoin Murphy: Murphy didn't protect him for the first goal and was poor for the second goal but he is a solid keeper and will drive on again
T Keogh: Impressed by him, tends to try hurl a bit to much and carrys it a lot but has the makings of a good option
P Murphy, Thought he left the house exposed a few times but hurled a lot of ball, needs to learn the finer arts like holding out man to protect Murphy and not to take on to much in this position
Tyrell: grew into the game after been exposed a little by Cadogan early on
Kennedy: Solid if not spectacular but look forward to seeing more of him
Joyce: he looks like he has trained hard over the winter, thought he had a fine game and hope he drives on and nails down his place
Buckley: usual workrate and solid performance
Geoff Brennan and Lester were impressive in terms of the balls they broke up and just made an awful nuisance of themselves, both looked very hungry
Matt Ruth worked hard and had one of his better games
Walter really upped his game and worked really hard even at quieter times where he wasn't getting on the ball
Padraig Walsh very impressive would like him to be given a role and defined position however
Mark Kelly, great game looked like a man who has put endless work into his striking compared to last year
JJ Farrell won most ball that came his way and was a major nuisance but seemed to be bundled of the ball a little to easily, a bit more aggression and he could do damage
Richie Hogan, unstoppable

They all looked like they have done serious gym work done, looking forward to the Dublin challenge that awaits.

catseye2

Fantastic result that takes a bit of pressure off next Sunday.
Anyone know how long Larkin and the powers will be out. Interesting that Cody only made one sub , for injury, through the whole game so suspect we need a few more available to get us through the next month till we get some shamrocks back
Anyone else due to come back in ?.

Miall108

Anyone know what happened to Grats and pmy murphy? Were always regular informative posters who I havent seen them on here in a long while

dastardly00

Miall108 wrote: »

Anyone know what happened to Grats and pmy murphy? Were always regular informative posters who I havent seen them on here in a long while

Well pmy.murphy was posting as recently as last night in the soccer forum :pac:

And Grats last posted on Boards about a month ago.

I'm sure the two lads will be back posting in this thread soon enough. 'Tis only the start of the season

tbiggertycome

I think This was a great performance and one I hoped for but didn't expect if I was honest. We could and should have won by a lot more in the end the first Cork goal was a blatant square ball and there were a few strange calls when Kilkenny were well ahead like Padraig Walsh getting closelined on the side line and a free out was given.

Individually my rating
Murphy-5 puckouts were good but was at fault for both goals.
Keogh-7 a solid performance for one of his first starts
Murphy-6 hadn't much to do for a lot of the game and kind of lost his way in the end. He could have done more to stop the first goal by holding his man off and should have got rid of the ball twice before he was caught at the end.
Tyrrell- 7 solid struggled for the first few balls but dominated there after.
Kennedy-7 was a decent and rarely got to exposed
Joyce-8 was very strong and really dominated the half back line and scored a monster point.
Buckley-6 only giving him a 6 cause I only saw him less then a handful of times on the ball.
Lester-7 solid and did what was needed and has improved his distribution
Fogarty-7 wasn't really on long enough to grade properly but I was impressed with what I saw
P Walsh-7 plenty of work rate that reaped lots of good
W Walsh-9 best display from Wally in a long time scoring 1-3
Ruth-7 solid display and far better than we've seen from him in a long time.
Kelly-8 a great display didn't score as much as he could but really put himself around
Farrell-7 was very effective in the first half and drifted out of it a bit in the second half
Hogan-10 SUBLIME
Brennan-8 a strong performance and really got stuck into it when he came on and made a good impact.

We have a bit of work to do at the back but I have fate in those involved to sort out their game. I would love to see Eoin Murphy out the field personally I think he's very impressive outfield but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Kerrydude1981

Congrats to Bennettsbridge on winning the Junior Club All Ireland on Sunday,managed by Kerry legend Christy Walsh.

Justice for the individual

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Congrats to Bennettsbridge on winning the Junior Club All Ireland on Sunday,managed by Kerry legend Christy Walsh.

There was a very noticeable gulf in class and Bennettsbridge had the game won after 10 minutes. Is there an imbalance in the way the preliminary games are organised? resulting in a weak team getting through to the final, although I think Fullen Gaels beat the Waterford club champions, who beat the Cork representatives, so where does that leave them.

From these results, it looks like the junior grade is of a very high standard in Kilkenny, and maybe goes some way to explaining the very one-sided aspect of the hurling in this Junior Hurling Club Final.

Again congratulations to Bennettsbridge and we all wish them well in the Intermediate grade over the next year or two.

A proud Kilkenny hurling club, and great to see them back in the limelight again.

pat 22

dastardly00 wrote: »

Well pmy.murphy was posting as recently as last night in the soccer forum :pac:

And Grats last posted on Boards about a month ago.

I'm sure the two lads will be back posting in this thread soon enough. 'Tis only the start of the season

I'd say pmy.murphy is taking a badly needed break from the hurling. He must be exhausted from last year !!

randd1

Justice for the individual wrote: »

There was a very noticeable gulf in class and Bennettsbridge had the game won after 10 minutes. Is there an imbalance in the way the preliminary games are organised? resulting in a weak team getting through to the final, although I think Fullen Gaels beat Waterford, who beat Cork, so where does that leave them.

From these results, it looks like the junior grade is of a very high standard in Kilkenny, any maybe goes some way to explaining the very one-sided aspect of the hurling in this Junior Hurling Club Final.

Again congratulations to Bennettsbridge and we all wish them well in the Intermediate grade over the next year or two.

A proud Kilkenny hurling club, and great to see them back in the limelight again.

Kilkenny and Cork clubs tend to be the strongest at junior level, and intermediate too, but to a lesser extent.

The main reason why the Kilkenny clubs do so well compared to other counties is because the Kilkenny club scene is very strong at all levels in comparison to other counties. I reckon myself it's partly because in other counties a lot of the Intermediate/Junior clubs play football. Either way the AI's keep coming back to Kilkenny, and that's fine by me.

Interesting too that both British clubs in Croke Park on Sunday had a fair smattering of lads from Kilkenny. It could be that we it's produce good club players, which is the actual stated goal of the development squads

adrian522

Enda McEvoy wrote:

That new Kilkenny jersey: No collar and narrower stripes. Last time they tried a revamp as radical as this was 1976 — and Wexford beat them by 17 points in the Leinster final. No good can come of this.

Indeed.

citykat

Good man Richie. Good start to the year...

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dastardly00

I heard on the radio this morning that a scan has revealed a fracture to Conor Fogarty’s ankle. He came off injured against Cork. He'll miss the rest of the league campaign.

babyjesus14

dastardly00 wrote: »

I heard on the radio this morning that a scan has revealed a fracture to Conor Fogarty’s ankle. He came off injured against Cork. He'll miss the rest of the league campaign.

An off the ball pull by Paudie O'Sullivan when he was lying on the ground.

tbiggertycome

That's not good news.

mullinr2

Lads how good is Conor Martin and what age is he. There was an article in the IrishExaminer I think, highlighting 15 young players to watch out for in 2015. Not one from Kilkenny.

babyjesus14

He is 20, will be 21 this year. Thought he was the best forward on a poor Minor team in '12. Has been involved with the under 21's for the last two years. Saw him play with UL against NUIG a few weeks ago and to be honest i was a bit disappointed with his contribution but in his defense with Tony Kelly and Jason Forde pretty much dominating proceeedings it was hard for the rest of the UL forwards to get involved.
However with Kelly injured yesterday and Forde at centre back according to the match reports he seemed to be a lot more involved yesterday and scored 3 points from play. It will be interesting to see how the Fitzgibbon pans out but he is definitely someone worth keeping a eye out for.

citykat

Kilkenny v Dublin Allianz Hurling League Round 2

Eoin Murphy
Tomás Keogh
Paul Murphy
Jackie Tyrrell
Brian Kennedy
Kieran Joyce
Cillian Buckley
Geoff Brennan
Lester Ryan
Padraig Walsh
Walter Walsh
Mathew Ruth
Mark Kelly
Jonjo Farrell
Richie Hogan


SUBS
Darren Brennan St Lachtains
Willie Phelan Dunnamaggin
Michael Walsh Young Irelands
Shane Prendergast Clara
Joe Lyng Rower Inistioge
Padraig Gahan Mullinavat
Bill Staunton St Patricks
Ger Malone Mullinavat
Keith Hogan Clara
Kevin Kelly St Patricks
John Power Carrickshock

Mountainlad

Martin looked very good v UCD midweek from what I saw of it.

Realt Dearg Sec

Same team again.

dastardly00

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Same team again.

Apart from Geoff Brennan replacing the injured Conor Fogarty.

randd1

dastardly00 wrote: »

Apart from Geoff Brennan replacing the injured Conor Fogarty.

Will be interesting to see how Brennan goes. Physically he's tough, but has a bit of pace as well. The only things I would worry about is he has a tendency to dwell on the ball a bit, and isn't the greatest at striking the ball when going for a score.

That said, with Fogarty out and Fennelly away with Ballyhale, if he has said good league it would be a big boost for us come championship to have another player challenge for a midfield spot. Brennan has the attributes, whether he can apply them against the top sides is another thing though.

Personally, I don't think he'd be there unless he did his stuff in training, so I'm looking forward to see can he lay down a marker against what should be a strong Dublin challenge.

randd1

Kieran's beat Good Counsel by a big score, 1-18 to 0-05.

They're in the final now, with a very strong side. They should win that.

If they win the final they should face St Francis, Rochestown of Cork, who were beaten by Thurles CBS in the Harty Cup today.

mullinr2

randd1 wrote: »

Kieran's beat Good Counsel by a big score, 1-18 to 0-05.

They're in the final now, with a very strong side. They should win that.

If they win the final they should face St Francis, Rochestown of Cork, who were beaten by Thurles CBS in the Harty Cup today.

Are Kieran's as strong as last year?

randd1

mullinr2 wrote: »

Are Kieran's as strong as last year?

Not sure, but was talking to one of the teachers from there and he's says they look good again this year. And I would definitely trust his judgement.

It must be said that Good Counsel aren't exactly world beaters, but Kieran's did a real number on the CBS as well in the QF.

They should win the final (don't know if its Borris VS or the other crowd). I think their first real test will come in the SF's against the winners of the Rochestown game. How they do in that will determine how strong they are.

In saying that, Kieran's have a fair smattering of the AI winning minors of last year, and other lads from various successful underage tournaments from last year.

I think Kieran's will win it out, with Thurles CBS likeliest to stop them.

Mountainlad

Awful decision by the ref. Should have been a free in, not related to a red.

The White Feather

That was one of the worst sendings off I have ever seen. There was nothing in it

Goat the dote

The White Feather wrote: »

That was one of the worst sendings off I have ever seen. There was nothing in it

What's was it actually for???? We've watched the replays and can't figure it out

mullinr2

Eoin Murphy very dodgy at the mo

dastardly00

I've watched the incident about 4 or 5 times now and I still can't figure out what the red card was for

Deskjockey

dastardly00 wrote: »

I've watched the incident about 4 or 5 times now and I still can't figure out what the red card was for

Me too. Still no idea

dirkmeister

That decision is not even funny.

There wasn't even a foul.