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Charlie69

premierstone wrote: »

Seriously are you fcukin 12 or what? grow up!

ahh sounds like someone feeling a bit embarrassed over silly posts,seriously one bad game doesn't make you a sunshine hurler my friend

premierstone

Charlie69 wrote: »

ahh sounds like someone feeling a bit embarrassed over silly posts,seriously one bad game doesn't make you a sunshine hurler my friend

Not embarrassed at all Charlie and if you attempted to engage in an adult debate you would find where I was coming from. But you chose to just throw out irrelevant facts and jibes.

Pat Spillane has 8 AI medals, should he still be on the Kerry team??? Maybe Eddie Keher will start next Saturday, he won loads of medals?

Colin Fennely was not part of the teams that won all the medals you referred to, he has been piss poor and like our situation in Tipp, I have no doubt he would have been droped if he wasn't captain.

Larkin has been struggling for a while now, he was anonymous in the league final, and the two championship games thus far, he seems to be merely retained due to he's prowess from placed bals, does mean that when Henry returns there will be no place for Larkin?

Richie Power is a wonderfully talented hurler but as I have said I have always had a niggling doubt about he's mental fortitude, it stems back to when he played a Club AI intermediate final with Carrickshock, he had numerous oppurtunities to win that game and he blew it, again in the 2010 AI when Henry went off, Power was asked to assume the freetaking duties and he was poor, A few games I have seen when KK are in a battle, 2009, 2010 and last year as example, Power isn't exactly the one to put he's hand up, just an opinion no need to get your stripey knickers in a twist!

Realt Dearg Sec

premierstone wrote: »

Not embarrassed at all Charlie and if you attempted to engage in an adult debate you would find where I was coming from. But you chose to just throw out irrelevant facts and jibes.

Pat Spillane has 8 AI medals, should he still be on the Kerry team??? Maybe Eddie Keher will start next Saturday, he won loads of medals?

Colin Fennely was not part of the teams that won all the medals you referred to, he has been piss poor and like our situation in Tipp, I have no doubt he would have been droped if he wasn't captain.

Larkin has been struggling for a while now, he was anonymous in the league final, and the two championship games thus far, he seems to be merely retained due to he's prowess from placed bals, does mean that when Henry returns there will be no place for Larkin?

Richie Power is a wonderfully talented hurler but as I have said I have always had a niggling doubt about he's mental fortitude, it stems back to when he played a Club AI intermediate final with Carrickshock, he had numerous oppurtunities to win that game and he blew it, again in the 2010 AI when Henry went off, Power was asked to assume the freetaking duties and he was poor, A few games I have seen when KK are in a battle, 2009, 2010 and last year as example, Power isn't exactly the one to put he's hand up, just an opinion no need to get your stripey knickers in a twist!

I was going to chime in before that Charlie is being childish and smug, because he is...Charlie I think you'll find premier withdrew the sunshine hurler remark so throwing it in his face now is pretty disingenuous.

But just to take issue with your remark about Colin fennelly, i don't agree at all that he is being kept on because of the captaincy. Codys authority in kk was built during the Charlie Carter affair, where he dropped him despite being captain. Mick fennelly and to Reid have both warmed the bench ad captain, so I don't think it is something Cody factors in. That said, I agree that Colin is playing very badly right now.

BQQ

premierstone wrote: »

Richie Power is a wonderfully talented hurler but as I have said I have always had a niggling doubt about he's mental fortitude, it stems back to when he played a Club AI intermediate final with Carrickshock, he had numerous oppurtunities to win that game and he blew it, again in the 2010 AI when Henry went off, Power was asked to assume the freetaking duties and he was poor, A few games I have seen when KK are in a battle, 2009, 2010 and last year as example, Power isn't exactly the one to put he's hand up, just an opinion no need to get your stripey knickers in a twist!

More than a little unfair IMO.
In 09 when the game was up for grabs and we were under pressure he won the penalty that swung the game our way.
2010 - he wasn't expecting to take the frees. He's not a brilliant free-taker anyway (if he was he'd be taking them ahead of sheff/larkin) Lots of lads outplayed by Tipp that day.
Last year he was struggling for scores alright, but he was not hiding when there was a battle. His workrate was excellent hooking, blocking and chasing down.

Charlie69

premierstone wrote: »

Not embarrassed at all Charlie and if you attempted to engage in an adult debate you would find where I was coming from. But you chose to just throw out irrelevant facts and jibes.

Pat Spillane has 8 AI medals, should he still be on the Kerry team??? Maybe Eddie Keher will start next Saturday, he won loads of medals?

Colin Fennely was not part of the teams that won all the medals you referred to, he has been piss poor and like our situation in Tipp, I have no doubt he would have been droped if he wasn't captain.

Larkin has been struggling for a while now, he was anonymous in the league final, and the two championship games thus far, he seems to be merely retained due to he's prowess from placed bals, does mean that when Henry returns there will be no place for Larkin?

Richie Power is a wonderfully talented hurler but as I have said I have always had a niggling doubt about he's mental fortitude, it stems back to when he played a Club AI intermediate final with Carrickshock, he had numerous oppurtunities to win that game and he blew it, again in the 2010 AI when Henry went off, Power was asked to assume the freetaking duties and he was poor, A few games I have seen when KK are in a battle, 2009, 2010 and last year as example, Power isn't exactly the one to put he's hand up, just an opinion no need to get your stripey knickers in a twist!

didn't realise you had withdrawn the sunshine hurler comment so sorry if I came across as being a bit of a p***k , I thought you were another one of these knockers just waiting to slag off Kilkenny at first opportunity
,i still don't see how a player with six all Ireland medals and who is such an important player on arguably the best team of all time can have people doubt his mental fortitude,just an opinion to which i'm also entitled

Realt Dearg Sec

Charlie69 wrote: »

didn't realise you had withdrawn the sunshine hurler comment so sorry if I came across as being a bit of a p***k , I thought you were another one of these knockers just waiting to slag off Kilkenny at first opportunity
,i still don't see how a player with six all Ireland medals and who is such an important player on arguably the best team of all time can have people doubt his mental fortitude,just an opinion to which i'm also entitled

yeah I agree, he has struggled in the championship so far but switching him with Hogan at cf was not going to solve anything that was wrong there, and bringing on Matt Ruth at a moment where, form not withstanding, power is always capable of making a difference, was mad.

I'm worried about the form of a few of the veterans, and how jittery we are without Henry and, maybe even more important, Mick fennelly, to steady the half forward line.

Charlie69

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

yeah I agree, he has struggled in the championship so far but switching him with Hogan at cf was not going to solve anything that was wrong there, and bringing on Matt Ruth at a moment where, form not withstanding, power is always capable of making a difference, was mad.

I'm worried about the form of a few of the veterans, and how jittery we are without Henry and, maybe even more important, Mick fennelly, to steady the half forward line.

Agreed, thought we've looked very weary in last two games,tough couple of weeks ahead and the injuries just keep piling up ,though I heard today murphys ankle not broken so that's a bit of good news

Fireball07

Thing is, even though they're playing poorly now, all these players have the potential to be very dangerous. When Shefflin and Fennelly come back, they are going to bring out the best in them, maybe they lack a little direction without them.


Fennelly hasn't played well for a while, Larkin has had quiet games, and I always thought Richie Hogan was a bit hit-and-miss. And Cillian Buckley? Not sure he's a top-level forward yet. But do they have the replacements at the moment?? Obviously Reid and Fogarty, but they've been guilty of quiet games themselves.

premierstone

BQQ wrote: »

More than a little unfair IMO.
In 09 when the game was up for grabs and we were under pressure he won the penalty that swung the game our way.
2010 - he wasn't expecting to take the frees. He's not a brilliant free-taker anyway (if he was he'd be taking them ahead of sheff/larkin) Lots of lads outplayed by Tipp that day.
Last year he was struggling for scores alright, but he was not hiding when there was a battle. His workrate was excellent hooking, blocking and chasing down.

Charlie69 wrote: »

didn't realise you had withdrawn the sunshine hurler comment so sorry if I came across as being a bit of a p***k , I thought you were another one of these knockers just waiting to slag off Kilkenny at first opportunity
,i still don't see how a player with six all Ireland medals and who is such an important player on arguably the best team of all time can have people doubt his mental fortitude,just an opinion to which i'm also entitled

I wasn't really having a go at the guy at all lads, if anything it was a back handed compliemnt, as in I think he has the abilty and talent to be so much more, but I do feel he has flattered to deceive at times. As for the penalty in 2009 :P come on leave it out, thats below the belt!

I know they are not a very reliable measure of a player but I feel it is telling that a forward who has won 6 AI meedals 'only' has two all stars is suprising and a little dissapointing, I think he is capable of alot more than that.

Charlie I am far from a knocker and have repeatedly praised KK and Cody as the greatest I certainly have ever seen or am likely ever to see, I just call a spade a spade and right now KK's forward unit is in every bit as much of trouble as Tipp's are, main difference been KK have Shefflin and Fennelly to come back, we have Lar :rolleyes: God help us!

Charlie69

premierstone wrote: »

I wasn't really having a go at the guy at all lads, if anything it was a back handed compliemnt, as in I think he has the abilty and talent to be so much more, but I do feel he has flattered to deceive at times. As for the penalty in 2009 :P come on leave it out, thats below the belt!

I know they are not a very reliable measure of a player but I feel it is telling that a forward who has won 6 AI meedals 'only' has two all stars is suprising and a little dissapointing, I think he is capable of alot more than that.

Charlie I am far from a knocker and have repeatedly praised KK and Cody as the greatest I certainly have ever seen or am likely ever to see, I just call a spade a spade and right now KK's forward unit is in every bit as much of trouble as Tipp's are, main difference been KK have Shefflin and Fennelly to come back, we have Lar :rolleyes: God help us!

Believe it or not Tipp were my pick to win the AllIreland at start of the year and I still think they have the players to do it

Mountainlad

What do ye make of the u21s tonight? Offaly have had the game, and we've seen an upset already with Carlow beating Dublin. Wexford also had enough of it against Westmeath.

Have to say I think Kilkenny will surely have too much, a lot more of a Senior look about them with Cillian Buckley, Willie Phelan, Padraig Walsh and Ger Aylward and of course fine players outside that in John Power and Kevin Kelly.

Who'll be on frees and penalties?

Hitchens

Live coverage of Kilkenny v Offaly in the Leinster U21 Hurling Championship semi-final on TG4 tonight 7:15pm.

Kkid

I think myself personally that this is a good under 21 team, stronger than last year’s overall, more balanced and some good hurlers. There are also some good lads to come in if needed. I think the half back line especially might be a strong line with Harney being my tip to be brought into the squad and play a bit next year.

Kevin Kelly will be on the frees I imagine and Power to take any penalties. I’d be happy enough if Ger A gets 2 or 3 scores to start him next Saturday, once his workrate is good enough tonight. I do think the John needs to up his workrate though and ensure that he is giving his all. Lastly I’m a little surprised that Richie Reid isn’t starting tonight.

phkk

Mountainlad wrote: »

What do ye make of the u21s tonight? Offaly have had the game, and we've seen an upset already with Carlow beating Dublin. Wexford also had enough of it against Westmeath.

Have to say I think Kilkenny will surely have too much, a lot more of a Senior look about them with Cillian Buckley, Willie Phelan, Padraig Walsh and Ger Aylward and of course fine players outside that in John Power and Kevin Kelly.

Who'll be on frees and penalties?

I would imagine K Kelly will be on the frees and J Power on the penalties. Very strong looking Kilkenny team, high hopes here with that team. The forward unit looks very strong. Watch out for Owen McGrath midfield, a brilliant prospect in my opinion. Offaly to give a good rattle but KK to win it in the end

barneygumble99

good win for the U21's in the end

Hitchens

barneygumble99 wrote: »

good win for the U21's in the end

it could have went either way if Offaly had scored the penalty, Mul has plenty to work on before we meet Wexford

randd1

Hitchens wrote: »

it could have went either way if Offaly had scored the penalty, Mul has plenty to work on before we meet Wexford

Could have been different as well if we had taken the three goals chances in the first 15 minutes, or the one that Aylward and Power missed in the second half.

Don't think he has an awful lot to work on to be honest, when the game was there to be won with 15 minutes to go we out-scored Offaly by 1-7 to a point. More of that same level as the last 15 minutes against Wexford and we'll be OK I reckon.

By the way, is the final in Wexford Park as part of the home/away agreement between the two, or will it be moved to a neutral location because its a final?

Mountainlad

randd1 wrote: »

Could have been different as well if we had taken the three goals chances in the first 15 minutes, or the one that Aylward and Power missed in the second half.

Don't think he has an awful lot to work on to be honest, when the game was there to be won with 15 minutes to go we out-scored Offaly by 1-7 to a point. More of that same level as the last 15 minutes against Wexford and we'll be OK I reckon.

By the way, is the final in Wexford Park as part of the home/away agreement between the two, or will it be moved to a neutral location because its a final?

Wouldn't call either of Power's chances goal chances, they were point chances where he tried to force goals. Aylward didn't get a shot in the first time. Offaly had the best goal chance of the first half which produced a fantastic save from the Kilkenny keeper. I can't see Kilkenny losing to Wexford but they will need improvement if they want to go beyond that.

Leinster Final will be in Wexford park.

Philip82

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2013/0626/458941-rte-ie-to-broadcast-leinster-semi-final/

Does anybody know if the laptop was connected to the tele, would the picture be poor or not worth the bother. I will be heading to Portlaoise myself but this would keep the old man happy at home.:D

Charlie69

Surprised to see Lester Ryan dropped for Dubs match.I thought he hurled ok last week

Pudders

Colin Fennelly also dropped. Cody prepared to make the difficult calls as usual.

Pudders

Kilkenny Team For Replay Announced
Posted 24 minutes ago
DUBLIN v KILKENNY - Replay


EOIN MURPHY GLENMORE
CONOR FOGARTY ERINS OWN
J.J. DELANEY FENIANS
JACKIE TYRRELL JAMES STEPHENS
TOMMY WALSH TULLAROAN
BRIAN HOGAN O’LOUGHLIN GAELS
KIERAN JOYCE ROWER INISTIOGE
CILLIAN BUCKLEY DICKSBORO
MICHAEL RICE CARRICKSHOCK
T J REID BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS
RICHIE POWER CARRICKSHOCK
EOIN LARKIN JAMES STEPHENS
WALTER WALSH TULLOGHER ROSBERCON
RICHIE HOGAN DANESFORT
AIDAN FOGARTY EMERALDS

DAVID HERITY DUNNAMAGGIN
LESTER RYAN CLARA
COLIN FENNELLY BALLYHALE SHAMROCKS
PADDY HOGAN DANESFORT
MATTHEW RUTH JAMES STEPHENS
PADRAIG WALSH TULLAROAN
WILLIE PHELAN DUNNAMAGGIN
RICHIE DOYLE BARROW RANGERS
GER AYLWARD GLENMORE
MARK KELLY O’LOUGHLIN GAELS
JOE BRENNAN ST. PATRICKS

Philip82

http://www.kilkennygaa.ie/news/read/id/947
Certainly looks like midfield is a bit on the weak side for the first time in a long while and thats no disrespect to Buckley and Rice I hope they have the games of their lives. Whats more worrying is if you look down through the subs bench, it does seem to be lacking in IMPACT players as they say. Heres hoping we dont get any more injuries!!!

Pudders

Philip82 wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2013/0626/458941-rte-ie-to-broadcast-leinster-semi-final/

Does anybody know if the laptop was connected to the tele, would the picture be poor or not worth the bother. I will be heading to Portlaoise myself but this would keep the old man happy at home.:D

Dependent on your broadband speed but picture is ok but not tv quality. Tell him to head to Billy Byrnes as he is putting it on 2 big screens!

dastardly00

I'm very surprised Lester has been dropped. Even just based on last weeks performance, he was superior than Rice. The likes of Rice, Power, R Hogan really need to put in a better performance than last week.

Colin Fennelly had to be dropped, he's so out of form tbh.

I wonder what KK will do if/when Dublin employ the 7th defender tactic?

dastardly00

Philip82 wrote: »

Does anybody know if the laptop was connected to the tele, would the picture be poor or not worth the bother. I will be heading to Portlaoise myself but this would keep the old man happy at home.:D

If you have decent broadband speed (and plug the Ethernet cable directly into the laptop rather than using Wi-Fi) then it will be decent enough.

It'll actually probably be as good as TV3's picture quality during GAA matches :pac:

Philip82

Pudders wrote: »

Dependent on your broadband speed but picture is ok but not tv quality. Tell him to head to Billy Byrnes as he is putting it on 2 big screens!

Sounds like Billys will be a sell out so!!!:D:D

dastardly00

randd1 wrote: »

Could have been different as well if we had taken the three goals chances in the first 15 minutes, or the one that Aylward and Power missed in the second half.

Don't think he has an awful lot to work on to be honest, when the game was there to be won with 15 minutes to go we out-scored Offaly by 1-7 to a point. More of that same level as the last 15 minutes against Wexford and we'll be OK I reckon.

I'd have to agree with what Mountainlad said. Power's two shots at goal weren't really goal chances. He should have just taken the points. 'Twas kinda greedy tbh. And Aylward got surrounded by defenders, there was no way he could get a shot off.

The most worrying thing for me was that the Offaly backs were cleaning up under high ball in the 1st half. But KK kept on landing in high balls instead of changing tactic.

In saying that, I would put a lot of their performance down to it being the first game of the championship.

I think they'll be able to up their performance a good bit for the Leinster final.

blue note

How happy are Kilkenny with JJ at full back? No-one would question how good a hurler he is, but I do wonder about how good a full back he is.

Realt Dearg Sec

blue note wrote: »

How happy are Kilkenny with JJ at full back? No-one would question how good a hurler he is, but I do wonder about how good a full back he is.

He was really coming good in the position last year. He hasn't stood out this year and has been caught out of position a couple of times. Its odd because he is, or was, one of the best half backs of his generation, and was only moved to full back as a stop gap for Noel hickey. We still have no natural full back and he is probably still the best option we have.

Hitchens

Just to see JJ on the pitch eases the fears in my head

premierstone

Its obviously not he's natura; position but he is such a complete hurler he will be just fine, specialist FB's are a dying breed tbh and there are very few top notch FB's in the Country, I suppose to be a very top FB you need to be playing there all the time, and quite frankly if you are good enough to do that then you won't have played there underage or with your club because you would have been deemed too good to be FB and would have played CB or somewhere further out the field.

padraig.od

Who is the best FB in the country at the moment?

premierstone

padraig.od wrote: »

Who is the best FB in the country at the moment?

As I said previously there is a serious lack of FB's in the country right now, I would say JJ is the best hurler but lacks the instincts and positioning of a natural FB, Paul Curran is the most natural but lacks mobility, persoanlly I think in time Peter Kelly will prove to be the best of them if not already.

dastardly00

I'm feeling very nervous about tonight's match. If we don't put in a good performance then I can't see us winning
We need players like Michael Rice, Richie Power and Richie Hogan to really play well.

I can't make it again to the match tonight, I think I'm going to go bananas watching it on the laptop

dastardly00

^^^^
Unfortunately I was right.

We can't have any complaints. We couldn't expect to get out of jail again after playing so poorly. Well done Dublin.

Lester was KK's best player by far imo. I thought Kieran Joyce and Tommy were pretty ok.
The forwards were absolutely anonymous again. How many times did Taggy touch the ball? Twice?

Richie Power was a fool for getting sent off. Not only were they stupid fouls, but he was the only KK player likely to score a goal.

If we perform like this, Tipp could actually destroy us next week.

Syferus

Sets up what has to be the biggest hurling qualifier of all-time. The last two AI-winning counties against each other.

Do they need to do a draw for home advantage?

Pudders

We have home advantage. And we'll be hammered. :-(

Brian017

Syferus wrote: »

Sets up what has to be the biggest hurling qualifier of all-time. The last two AI-winning counties against each other.

Do they need to do a draw for home advantage?

Already made, it's in Nowlan Park

dastardly00

dastardly00 wrote: »

^^^^
Unfortunately I was right.

We can't have any complaints. We couldn't expect to get out of jail again after playing so poorly. Well done Dublin.

Lester was KK's best player by far imo. I thought Kieran Joyce and Tommy were pretty ok.
The forwards were absolutely anonymous again. How many times did Taggy touch the ball? Twice?

Richie Power was a fool for getting sent off. Not only were they stupid fouls, but he was the only KK player likely to score a goal.

If we perform like this, Tipp could actually destroy us next week.

FWIW i would think we'll be lucky to be in with a chance of even winning and i think ye will win it with points to spare but there is no doubting that Mick Fennelly is a huge loss. Yes Shefflin is a big loss but his presence could be nullified if supply was cut to him but Fennelly just seems to be at the heart of everything. A colossus really. His runs destroyed us in the league final and he was a huge thorn in our side even back in 2010 when we won the final.

Pudders

Pudders wrote: »

We have home advantage. And we'll be hammered. :-(

Ah no ye wont dont be ridic. A team who have achieved as much as Kilkenny are going to up their game big time when Tipp are in town. It isnt as if were a steam rolling juggernaut now ourselves is it. We're in the qualifiers for a reason. It could be just a case of it being a freak year for yourselves

Hitchens

dastardly00 wrote: »

^^^^
Unfortunately I was right.

We can't have any complaints. We couldn't expect to get out of jail again after playing so poorly. Well done Dublin.

Lester was KK's best player by far imo. I thought Kieran Joyce and Tommy were pretty ok.
The forwards were absolutely anonymous again. How many times did Taggy touch the ball? Twice?

Richie Power was a fool for getting sent off. Not only were they stupid fouls, but he was the only KK player likely to score a goal.

If we perform like this, Tipp could actually destroy us next week.

there was only the puck of a ball in it at the end, after 140 mins +, in fairness

dastardly00

dastardly00 wrote: »

I'm feeling very nervous about tonight's match. If we don't put in a good performance then I can't see us winning
We need players like Michael Rice, Richie Power and Richie Hogan to really play well.

I can't make it again to the match tonight, I think I'm going to go bananas watching it on the laptop

Not even a fcuking DOG displaying the scoreline in the corner :mad: disgraceful RTE

Formosa

- KK confidence at rock bottom
- KK hurling dreadfully
- Four consecutive weeks
- KK down to the pair bone panel-wise
- Revenge factor for Tipp
- Tipp well rested and waiting

I cant see anything but a tipp win, regardless of their poor showing v Limerick.

Also, with hindsight, we were quite poor in the league final in the fwds if you take out Mick Fennellys 2-3.

In KKs favour, home advantage, I don't know what that will be worth, or will it add to the pressure?

Formosa

Hitchens wrote: »

there was only the puck of a ball in it at the end, after 140 mins +, in fairness

Should have been 6, very uncharacteristic wides from Ryan. We had nothing in the forwards.

Charlie69

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah no ye wont dont be ridic. A team who have achieved as much as Kilkenny are going to up their game big time when Tipp are in town. It isnt as if were a steam rolling juggernaut now ourselves is it. We're in the qualifiers for a reason. It could be just a case of it being a freak year for yourselves

Don't give KK much chance next sat after this performance and also picked up injuries to Buckley,Reid and Tyrell tonight,thats six huge players out of a tired team with huge mileage up,proud of our lads though they kept fighting to the end and they owe us nothing,best of all time by along way

Neeson

Great day for GAA

mickmackey1

Neeson wrote: »

Great day for GAA

Don't agree, its up to the others to bring their level to where KK are at, rather then constantly hoping for their decline.

If this is the end for an epic KK generation, I want to say thanks for all the entertainment ye have provided and, rest assured, the likes of Tommy, Shefflin. JJ and others will be remembered for as long as the great old game is played.

Kilkennyfella

Can anyone even hazard a guess at the team for next week with the amount of injuries we have?Its going to be a very tough ask to beat Tipp.

Mountainlad

It's amazing to see Kilkenny and Tipp fans lacking confidence in their teams really. Are ye really that concerned or are ye just being cute hoors?

Some game in store next week, looking forward to watching it.