In the name of the republic

kabakuyu

GRMA wrote: »

This is a history forum dealing with facts - Myers should be left outside. Good article in the examiner about the series.

Long story short: poorly researched piece of utter rubbish

Agree, but sometimes Myers assertions are quoted as facts and are in the national media, any rebuttal or questioning of his articles should be pertinent to the history forum.

Neutronale

kabakuyu wrote: »

Maybe we should not be too critical,Kevin Myers thinks it was brilliant:rolleyes: and is now quoting it as fact

Now if I recall correctly,O'Halpin never mentioned the relgious faith of the men executed, so should I assume that Myers has more knowledge about these events than O'Halpin

This is another gem from the same article

While I not an expert on the Rising I do recall that the British Army had at that time the following units which saw action on the first day of the Rising, 10th Royal Dublin Fusiliers,3rd Royal Irish Regiment,3rd Royal Irish Rifles, and cavalry detachments of the 5th and 12th lancers.Hardly just a few DMP men as Myers infers.Also if anybody can point me in the right direction to confirm the deaths of the 6 policemen as stated by Myers, I would be grateful, this site contends that there were just 3 DMP casualties http://irishmedals.org/gpage35.html

Myers article here http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/we-cant-afford-to-get-romantic-about-guerrilla-days-in-ireland-29162083.html

You'd have to be mentally retarded to see this prog as "brilliant"

Neutronale

ejmaztec wrote: »

You criticise a TV programme because you regard it as one sided, yet you think it okay to have a one sided thread on British atrocities in Ireland?

I dont think he's crticising it because its one sided, he's criticising it because its completely baseless...

ejmaztec

Neutronale wrote: »

I dont think he's crticising it because its one sided, he's criticising it because its completely baseless...

Perhaps he'll comment.

LennoxR

kabakuyu wrote: »

While I not an expert on the Rising I do recall that the British Army had at that time the following units which saw action on the first day of the Rising, 10th Royal Dublin Fusiliers,3rd Royal Irish Regiment,3rd Royal Irish Rifles, and cavalry detachments of the 5th and 12th lancers.Hardly just a few DMP men as Myers infers.Also if anybody can point me in the right direction to confirm the deaths of the 6 policemen as stated by Myers, I would be grateful, this site contends that there were just 3 DMP casualties http://irishmedals.org/gpage35.html

Myers article here http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/we-cant-afford-to-get-romantic-about-guerrilla-days-in-ireland-29162083.html

You're quite right, on the first day of the Rising, there were skirmishes between insurgents and Lancers on Sackville (now O'Connell) Street and on the quays in front of the Four Courts. There was also quite sharp fighting between Ned Daly's Volunteers around North King Street and The Royal Irish Rifles and between rebels and the Dublin Fusiliers at the Mendicity Institute and at South Dublin Union.

The total DMP casualties for the week were three killed. So basically none of Myers' statements on the Rising were in fact correct.

Some links here;

http://www.theirishstory.com/2011/04/24/today-in-irish-history-april-24-1916-the-first-day-of-the-easter-rising/

http://www.theirishstory.com/2012/08/15/heustons-fort-the-battle-for-the-mendicity-institute-1916/

laoch na mona

while we should not accept the one side view of the past blatant revisionist history is worse as it is attempting to rewrite history because of backlash to the troubles